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6th-October-2013, 22:09
Spose'

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Originally Posted by Sheras

Just saying, since you guys were referring to it as anime.

Should I become Ness and totally rage now? :wacko:

Oh god pls don't bring up that memory of how all anime is drawn by 12 year old Japanese kids on the internet.
6th-October-2013, 22:10
Gare

For some reason, I noticed the same with manga. And I'm not talking about hentai manga. Just regular manga. I've yet to see one single manga fan translation that was truly excellent. I'm not sure why it is, but my first guess is that the skilled guys stick to anime, which is more mainstream.
6th-October-2013, 22:10
Sheras

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Originally Posted by Spose'

Oh god pls don't bring up that memory of how all anime is drawn by 12 year old Japanese kids on the internet.

Oh right, it was you he was raging at :lol
6th-October-2013, 22:12
Warrior

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Originally Posted by Gare

Yeah... I don't see that happening. :wacko: Most skilled translators probably busy themselves with making translations for stuff that's actually worth working on. As such, hentai translations generally attract bad translators.

And honestly, I have better things to do than translate dialogue about someone's gargantuan boner.

:gaffaw:
6th-October-2013, 22:13
Sheik

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Originally Posted by Gare

Yeah... I don't see that happening. :wacko: Most skilled translators probably busy themselves with making translations for stuff that's actually worth working on. As such, hentai translations generally attract bad translators.

And honestly, I have better things to do than translate dialogue about someone's gargantuan boner.

Which is why translations usually suck. Then you have that weird fuck who decides to learn Japanese ONLY for the sole purpose of getting his/her (no discrimination :wacko: ) rocks off, then proceed to "share" their translated crap with the net. *shudders*
6th-October-2013, 22:14
Spose'

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Originally Posted by Gare

For some reason, I noticed the same with manga. And I'm not talking about hentai manga. Just regular manga. I've yet to see one single manga fan translation that was truly excellent. I'm not sure why it is, but my first guess is that the skilled guys stick to anime, which is more mainstream.

I've always wondered if there is a huge lacking in proof readers, I've always been curious for manga because I've seen a lot of the most popular sites host releases with extremely broken English grammar although they rarely advertise for proofreaders being needed. Maybe they keep the broken English grammar to stay close to the Japanese wording?
6th-October-2013, 22:15
Spose'

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Originally Posted by Sheras

Oh right, it was you he was raging at :lol

Yeah, oh man he got so mad he even proceeded to look up my facebook using my public email and threatened to tell my mom on me.
6th-October-2013, 22:16
Sheik

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Originally Posted by Gare

For some reason, I noticed the same with manga. And I'm not talking about hentai manga. Just regular manga. I've yet to see one single manga fan translation that was truly excellent. I'm not sure why it is, but my first guess is that the skilled guys stick to anime, which is more mainstream.

I'd stab a guess and say its less time consuming, if they're minimalistic about it. How hard is it to throw subtitles in a video compared to typesetting a page with sound effects, multiple bubbles of dialogue and background shit that would be necessary to know about to enjoy the work?
Just a bit easier, IF they're minimalistic about it.
But some manga translators forget to translate sounds, and signs, and all that jazz. Lazy bastards.
6th-October-2013, 22:18
Gare

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Originally Posted by Spose'

I've always wondered if there is a huge lacking in proof readers, I've always been curious for manga because I've seen a lot of the most popular sites host releases with extremely broken English grammar although they rarely advertise for proofreaders being needed. Maybe they keep the broken English grammar to stay close to the Japanese wording?

Yes, they're either purists or they're simply bad translators, or both. Translation also puts your writing ability to a test: due to the differences between the syntax of Japanese and English a good translator will often rewrite and rephrase things.
6th-October-2013, 22:21
Gare

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Originally Posted by Sheik

I'd stab a guess and say its less time consuming, if they're minimalistic about it. How hard is it to throw subtitles in a video compared to typesetting a page with sound effects, multiple bubbles of dialogue and background shit that would be necessary to know about to enjoy the work?
Just a bit easier, IF they're minimalistic about it.
But some manga translators forget to translate sounds, and signs, and all that jazz. Lazy bastards.

True, but fansubbers are whole teams, each role is usually filled by a different person. So the translator will only translate, while the others do the subbing and timing and all that jazz. Elin was part of the scene for a while so I'm sure she can give you a better answer.
6th-October-2013, 22:22
Sheras

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Originally Posted by Spose'

Yeah, oh man he got so mad he even proceeded to look up my facebook using my public email and threatened to tell my mom on me.

Damn he was butthurt :rofl:
6th-October-2013, 22:24
Elin

(´・ω・｀)
6th-October-2013, 22:24
Spose'

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Originally Posted by Gare

Yes, they're either purists or they're simply bad translators, or both. Translation also puts your writing ability to a test: due to the differences between the syntax of Japanese and English a good translator will often rewrite and rephrase things.

Maybe one day I'll actually check out what they want a "proof-reader" to be. It seems like something that would be nice to do since I can't find a job. >.>
6th-October-2013, 22:24
Sheik

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Originally Posted by Gare

True, but fansubbers are whole teams, each role is usually filled by a different person. So the translator will only translate, while the others do the subbing and timing and all that jazz. Elin was part of the scene for a while so I'm sure she can give you a better answer.

True, true. Would be better if a few fansub teams wasn't trying to speed sub everything. I have no problem in waiting for quality over quantity.
6th-October-2013, 22:26
Spose'

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Originally Posted by Elin

I only did anime, but we had editors. The trouble was that they favoured phrasing that was closer to the Japanese, even when it was really awkward, and that we were working within such ridiculous timeframes because of all of the petty competition in the fansubbing circuit that it was almost impossible to produce something that was error free. We often had releases out within less than five hours of getting our hands on the raws to translate, which meant that both the translation and the editing usually had to be done in two hours or so. That is nowhere near enough time to produce a really high quality translation of twenty to twenty-five minutes of material, irrespective of how good your editor and translator might be.

I've noticed that about the anime scene, it seems extremely competitive.
6th-October-2013, 22:27
Sheik

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Originally Posted by Elin

I only did anime, but we had editors. The trouble was that they favoured phrasing that was closer to the Japanese, even when it was really awkward, and that we were working within such ridiculous timeframes because of all of the petty competition in the fansubbing circuit that it was almost impossible to produce something that was error free. We often had releases out within less than five hours of getting our hands on the raws to translate, which meant that both the translation and the editing usually had to be done in two hours or so. That is nowhere near enough time to produce a really high quality translation of twenty to twenty-five minutes of material, irrespective of how good your editor and translator might be.

Good to get some insight onto the craziness of fansubbing as a whole.
6th-October-2013, 22:32
Sheras

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Originally Posted by Sheik

True, true. Would be better if a few fansub teams wasn't trying to speed sub everything. I have no problem in waiting for quality over quantity.

Most people aren't like this. They want everything in an instant. How long do you wait for a website to load before you start to get frustrated? 5 seconds? Even that is probably too slow for most people and they start mashing the refresh button. Granted this example is a bit different, but the same concept applies. Everything is going to instantaneous delivery, and if that one thing takes a longer than promised, you'll try somewhere else.
6th-October-2013, 22:32
Sheik

Oh yeah, Vagrant Story.
I like it.
But it feels like I should pace that game, the system is complex, but nothing brainaching. A very cool recommendation.
6th-October-2013, 22:35
Elin

(´・ω・｀)
6th-October-2013, 22:36
Gare

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Originally Posted by Spose'

Maybe one day I'll actually check out what they want a "proof-reader" to be. It seems like something that would be nice to do since I can't find a job. >.>

Depends on what you mean by that, exactly. I can't give you any tips on the professional scene, but in fan translation circles (I only really experienced the VN translation scene), there are often TLCs (translation checkers) and editors. The former actually has to know Japanese and check for accuracy using the original script. The latter just needs to work with the translated English text and re-write it, if necessary, into something that sounds more natural in English. So usually native speakers of English are perfect for this role. I say "if necessary" because some people have this idea that the raw translation will always be an unnatural sounding mess requiring the aid of an editor, which is just not true.
6th-October-2013, 22:37
Elin

(´・ω・｀)
6th-October-2013, 22:38
Gare

Oh and yes, many people are perfectly fine with their awkward sounding non-English trainwreck translations, which is just disheartening.
6th-October-2013, 22:41
Sheik

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Originally Posted by Elin

Again, there are good groups out there too, and I think the principle of fansubbing is a very nice one. But don't get involved in speedsubbing. Just don't.

Become like Gonzo and get involved in speed animating.
:wacko:
6th-October-2013, 22:41
Elin

(´・ω・｀)
6th-October-2013, 22:44
Elin

(´・ω・｀)
6th-October-2013, 22:45
Sheik

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Originally Posted by Gare

Oh and yes, many people are perfectly fine with their awkward sounding non-English trainwreck translations, which is just disheartening.

"All for the native quality" As someone on Crunchyroll put it when I had a fit about the editor sticking with obento in EVERY LINE OF DIALOGUE talking about the damn lunch box.
Just once I'd like a fansub group to release a RAW and call it "subbed". Would make just as much sense.
6th-October-2013, 22:47
Elin

(´・ω・｀)
6th-October-2013, 22:48
Spose'

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Originally Posted by Gare

Oh and yes, many people are perfectly fine with their awkward sounding non-English trainwreck translations, which is just disheartening.

While I was reading Cage of Eden on MangaReader one group's translation was extremely hard to understand. Like, you would think they just took every word, translated it, and put it right in and decided that was the perfect way. So in the end, you came out with these huge clusters of sentences that just made hardly any sense until you read over it 20 times. It become a bit bothering to me for some reason.
6th-October-2013, 22:52
Gare

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Originally Posted by Elin

Many people prefer them, actually. ._. Apparently it's "closer to the Japanese". One might ask why people who need fansubs in the first place are experts on what is and isn't a faithful translation of the original Japanese, but... :wacko:

One of my pet peeves is people treating katakana as the sacred word of God and never daring to alter it. Like someone preferring to write a character's name, コレット, as Coletto. Just... why.
6th-October-2013, 22:53
Sheik

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Originally Posted by Elin

1. Transcribe all of the Japanese dialogue.
2. Convert all of said dialogue to romanised Japanese.
3. Create subtitles.
4. Have most faithful fansub ever.
5. ??????
6. PROFIT!

:gaffaw:
Well, this is in all truth, a faithful fan-sub. Funimation should stop dubs and just go for this. :wacko:
6th-October-2013, 22:59
Prude

I am about to have the biggest tantrum of my LIFE
6th-October-2013, 23:00
Stark

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Originally Posted by Fujiko Mine

I am about to have the biggest tantrum of my LIFE

:inout:
6th-October-2013, 23:01
Sheik

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Originally Posted by Fujiko Mine

I am about to have the biggest tantrum of my LIFE

Is it in front of a lot of people who are armed with cameras and recording devices? :wacko:
If you even thought about answering "Yes", it's probably not such a hot idea.
6th-October-2013, 23:01
Elin

(´・ω・｀)
6th-October-2013, 23:02
Gare

Spoiler warning:

http://i40.tinypic.com/28993j4.png

I rest my case. :wacko:
6th-October-2013, 23:03
Elin

(´・ω・｀)
6th-October-2013, 23:04
Elin

(´・ω・｀)
6th-October-2013, 23:06
Sheik

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Originally Posted by Gare

Spoiler warning:

http://i40.tinypic.com/28993j4.png

I rest my case. :wacko:

Fuck.
I think I just got a headache from reading that.
6th-October-2013, 23:07
Spose'

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Originally Posted by Gare

Spoiler warning:

http://i40.tinypic.com/28993j4.png

I rest my case. :wacko:

That is just a bit worse than a few of the Cage of Eden manga chapter I read.
6th-October-2013, 23:10
Warrior

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elin

1. Transcribe all of the Japanese dialogue.
2. Convert all of said dialogue to romanised Japanese.
3. Create subtitles.
4. Have most faithful fansub ever.
5. ??????
6. PROFIT!

That sure would help me learn japanese faster :wacko:

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