The bible thread

[Jetsetlemming]

The walking the desert and leaving no evidence... you really don't understand how that could happen? one word: sandstorms.

tanthias I suggest you look up some information on how archeology works and what kind of evidence they can find. You seem to be thinking of evidence as footsteps, traces in the sand. That's not what they look for. Humans have a tendancy to eat, shit, die, start fires, make and break stuff, and generally change their environments as much as possible. There's no animal in existence that's as good at leaving behind signs of its passage as humans. If as many people spent as much time in the deserts of the middle east/northern africa as the Bible says they did, they'd be a fuckton of evidence.

[Sprung]

Nobody said it made sense

To me, not believing doesn't make sense. But I won't bash anyone for it.

Free will and all...

[Dr Mario]

I can only add one thing to this tangent: it's called blind faith for a reason. You're asking for proof of something when there really may be no proof to be found. But, being blind faith, one is supposed to believe the Bible without seeking proof.

Sorry, I just can't get past the idea that an all-powerful God would give humanity a holy book that doesn't match up to the evidence, then damn people for believing their eyes.

If he was all-powerful and benevolent, you'd think he could give us a holy book that fit history.

[Jetsetlemming]

Faith is to believe without reason.

Answer my question about bible verses please. Do you believe and follow the verses on beating to death disobediant children, owning slaves, killing gays, that castrated men can't go to heaven, that women must never ever speak and can never hold any authority, that the sins of the father damn the son, that anyone with faith can point at a mountain and wish it to move, and God/Jesus will move it?
You seem like a faithy kinda guy. Not much doubt about you. I'd be tickled pink to see you knock over Everest.

[Tanthias]

tanthias I suggest you look up some information on how archeology works and what kind of evidence they can find. You seem to be thinking of evidence as footsteps, traces in the sand. That's not what they look for. Humans have a tendancy to eat, shit, die, start fires, make and break stuff, and generally change their environments as much as possible. There's no animal in existence that's as good at leaving behind signs of its passage as humans. If as many people spent as much time in the deserts of the middle east/northern africa as the Bible says they did, they'd be a fuckton of evidence.

Point taken, however, evidence of that nature can be buried, taken with them, ect. And before you say something else, I realize that not all the evidence can be erased, but did you ever think that maybe evidence was found, and just not recognized for what it truly was?

[Anonymous]

Faith is to believe without reason.

If this God guy is so great and wonderful, why does he need to force people to overlook a complete absence of evidence supporting him?

To me, not believing doesn't make sense. But I won't bash anyone for it.

Free will and all...

I'm not the kind of person that can just accept something without either seeing it first-hand, or having it proven to me. Sorry.

[Lee]

(http://skirmisher.org/bullshit-meist...er-preach-you/
Want more, Lee?

PM all that too me plz im too lazy to do it in a thread...

but the four of the ten they show you...
Ezekiel 23:19-20
Yet she increased her prostitution, remembering the days of her youth when she engaged in prostitution in the land of Egypt. She lusted after their genitals – as large as those of donkeys, and their seminal emission was as strong as that of stallions.

This is talking about Jerusalem, i have heard this preached on...

Deuteronomy 25:11-12
If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.

wtf? when has that ever happened?

Deuteronomy 23:1
No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.

Whats rediculous about this? it means those who have this done purposely, a Castrato if you will.

Ezekiel 16:17
You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them.

Again, Jerusalem, and ive heard it preached on.

pm the rest and ill do it one at a time x.x im not gonna write one post for like 30 minutes...

[Dr Mario]

Point taken, however, evidence of that nature can be buried, taken with them, ect. And before you say something else, I realize that not all the evidence can be erased, but did you ever think that maybe evidence was found, and just not recognized for what it truly was?

Archaeologists, especially Christian ones, have been looking for evidence of the exodus for over a century now. If there was even the slightest result from their labours, they'd still be crowing about it.

[Lee]

Answered yourself.

woah, "put to death" is different than, "you shall murder them"

[Anonymous]

woah, "put to death" is different than, "you shall murder them"

How so? Someone is killing someone else either way. Punishment doesn't factor into it. Unless you're saying that being gay is a crime.

[Jetsetlemming]

Deuteronomy 23:1
No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.

Whats rediculous about this? it means those who have this done purposely, a Castrato if you will.

You yourself in this very thread said the only way to eliminate doubt and unclear sentiments about the bible is to take everything literally, at face value. That passage specifically states "No one". It also says "testicles crushes" and "male organ cut off." A castrato has his testicals cut off or the tubes connecting his testicles severed. They don't crush his balls, and they certainly don't cut off his dick. He most likely would never survive either.

[Lee]

If this God guy is so great and wonderful, why does he need to force people to overlook a complete absence of evidence supporting him?

I'm not the kind of person that can just accept something without either seeing it first-hand, or having it proven to me. Sorry.

Force? who said anything about Force?

Too bad... really. You kind of Need an Open Mind to be proven somthing

[Tanthias]

Archaeologists, especially Christian ones, have been looking for evidence of the exodus for over a century now. If there was even the slightest result from their labours, they'd still be crowing about it.

True, but perhaps there are desert towns built on or around where the exodus took place. I can't really see archaeologists trying to force an entire town to vacate just so they can search for evidence. Even if they did try, I honestly can't imagine even a small village complying without a fight.

[Dr Mario]

Force? who said anything about Force?

The threat of punishment is a kind of Force. The threat of Eternal Punishment is a very strong force indeed.

[Lee]

How so? Someone is killing someone else either way. Punishment doesn't factor into it. Unless you're saying that being gay is a crime.

it was under the law of the bible.

But, it is not under the law of the world.