The bible thread

[Sprung]

The first of the NT books were written around 060ce or slightly later, the rest were written later, some in the early second century. Some were written in isolation, some clearly with the aid of the earlier books.

As for the fairytale thing, talking snakes, worldwide floods that manage to leave no trace, millions of people wandering the desert for decades and leaving no evidence. I think that's fairly close to a fairytale.

Course, if you think I'm wrong you're welcome to present evidence to the contrary. I'm here to discuss/argue, not preach.

That's not quite fair

You "think" it's a fairytale, but you want EVIDENCE that it isn't.

[Anonymous]

there is evidence of a worldwide flood in the layers of soil

Let's see it then.

[SegNin]

show me specific verses(pics or BS if you will), that directly display those things.

ive never seen any of that in the bible.

There are quite a few, err...interesting passages in there:

http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm
http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible4.htm
http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible5.htm
http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible7.htm
http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible6.htm

[Jetsetlemming]

show me specific verses(pics or BS if you will), that directly display those things.

ive never seen any of that in the bible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E
Penn and Teller read from the Bible. :O
Here's some bible verses a quick google has come up with:"Deuteronomy 23:1
No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord." (http://skirmisher.org/bullshit-meist...er-preach-you/)

* Exodus 21:20
If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
* Leviticus 25:44-46
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
* Deuteronomy 20:13-14
When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies.
* Colossians 3:22-4:1
Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men, since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving. Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for his wrong, and there is no favoritism. Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven.
* Ephesians 6:5-9
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free. And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.
* Titus 2:9-10
Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.
* 1 Peter 2:18-21
Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. For it is commendable if a man bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because he is conscious of God. But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
* 1 Corinthians 11:4-6
Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head-—it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.
* 1 Corinthians 14:34-35
As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
* 1 Timothy 211-14
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women[or she] will be saved[or restored] through childbearing—-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
* Exodus 34:7
Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation.
* Leviticus 15:18 & 15:31
When a man lies with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.

You must keep the Israelites separate from things that make them unclean, so they will not die in their uncleanness for defiling my dwelling place, which is among them.
* Numbers 31:17-18
Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
* Mark 11:22-24
"Have faith in God," Jesus answered. "I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive your sins."
(http://www.d512.com/bible/index.php/...l_Bible_Verses I love the DEFENSE of these passages given on that page: "In Biblical times slavery wasn't as bad!")



Want more, Lee?

[Dr Mario]

sry meant to say first book

How in fuck do you walk in a dessert and LEAVE evidence???

there is evidence of a worldwide flood in the layers of soil

In the desert? Campspots, massive soil disturbance from burying castoffs (and dead bodies), human artifacts, even human waste. If there was any significant number of people wandering that particular area during the timeframe given, there should have been things left behind to indicate their presence. Doubly so if the bible is accurate about the number of people involved. The problem is that every archaeological team that's gone out looking for them has come up empty.

As for the worldwide flood, show me. Because my current understanding of the varve record says otherwise.

[Sprung]

In the desert? Campspots, massive soil disturbance from burying castoffs (and dead bodies), human artifacts, even human waste. If there was any significant number of people wandering that particular area during the timeframe given, there should have been things left behind to indicate their presence. Doubly so if the bible is accurate about the number of people involved. The problem is that every archaeological team that's gone out looking for them has come up empty.

As for the worldwide flood, show me. Because my current understanding of the varve record says otherwise.

I can only add one thing to this tangent: it's called blind faith for a reason. You're asking for proof of something when there really may be no proof to be found. But, being blind faith, one is supposed to believe the Bible without seeking proof.

[Anonymous]

But, being blind faith, one is supposed to believe the Bible without seeking proof.

It sounds to me like religions expect their followers to... well... follow... without any sort of questions, and without speaking out on subjects.

Blind faith, indeed.

[Jetsetlemming]

I can only add one thing to this tangent: it's called blind faith for a reason. You're asking for proof of something when there really may be no proof to be found. But, being blind faith, one is supposed to believe the Bible without seeking proof.

That's the thing about religion I could never get. I CAN'T sit there and not look for evidence and proof of something. I'm just not that trusting of strangers, no matter how nice of a guy the Pastor might be. You could sooner get me to willingly quit breathing.

Good thing I've seen evidence of God's presence in the way things work. Ironically, the more I get into Quantum science, the more faith I have in the existence of a God.

[Lee]

New International Version.

Romans 1
Leviticus 18:22
Leviticus 20:13
1st Corinthians 6:9-10

27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

How does any of this, or any of the other scriptures say to go out and kill them?

it says they should be put to death, as in, they shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven.

So basically being gay means you are going to hell.

[Anonymous]

How does any of this, or any of the other scriptures say to go out and kill them?

it says they should be put to death, as in, they shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven.

Answered yourself.

[Tanthias]

The first of the NT books were written around 060ce or slightly later, the rest were written later, some in the early second century. Some were written in isolation, some clearly with the aid of the earlier books.

As for the fairytale thing, talking snakes, worldwide floods that manage to leave no trace, millions of people wandering the desert for decades and leaving no evidence. I think that's fairly close to a fairytale.

Course, if you think I'm wrong you're welcome to present evidence to the contrary. I'm here to discuss/argue, not preach.

The walking the desert and leaving no evidence... you really don't understand how that could happen? one word: sandstorms.

[Sprung]

It sounds to me like religions expect their followers to... well... follow... without any sort of questions, and without speaking out on subjects.

Blind faith, indeed.

Nobody said it was easy

[Anonymous]

The walking the desert and leaving no evidence... you really don't understand how that could happen? one word: sandstorms.

Sandstorms aren't going to blow away 40 years of waste, artifacts, litter, etc, from practically the entire population of Isreal. This isn't some "worldwide flood".

OH WAIT.

Nobody said it made sense

[Tanthias]

Nobody said it was easy

True, I mean seriously... when has blind faith ever been easy?

[Matias]

Faith is to believe without reason.