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    Quote Originally Posted by Knightshade View Post
    Their idea makes no since to me,but I guess I won't try to provoke the situation while discussions are taking place amongst staff.

    I just don't see closing a handful of H.O. threads to promote posting in the actual hangout but keeping the retro hangout open where regular members can't post, close retro hangout problem solved.
    Some of us on EP have been here for years. We have formed close friendships with certain people from being around them all the time. We value each other's opinions and sometimes like to have private conversations that the rest of the world cannot see, where we actually get reasonable responses. There have been many times where I have used Retro for help with my personal life, and I have seen others do the same. It's nice being able to ask for help from people without the troll comments rolling in, or having to worry about portions of my personal life that I don't want known to people outside of my friends leaking out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raype View Post
    We used to all post in the regular hangout threads.
    Correction: us newbs used to always post in the regular HO. The cool kids posted in RBT.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spose' View Post
    Yeah, But you more of a regular / well known person whom hardly anyone gets pissed at. Me on the other hard
    Solution: don't act like a jackass.

    It's simple, really. By and large, the people who are respected on this board are people who are friendly and helpful and at least attempt to carry out a conversation with others, or know when to not butt into a conversation just because they read what is going on (hey, look, it kind of stems back to why we have Retro... ). The ones who regularly get pinpointed as annoying users are the ones who either a) haven't learned when to not post something, b) never contribute anything when they do post, or c) are not helpful in any way and are actually detrimental to solving problems.

    I'm not saying any of those are you, but that is the general trend that I have seen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Milady View Post
    It was created because one person complained.

    And that one person happened to have the permissions necessary to create threads in the HO subforum.
    Oh hai~

    Quote Originally Posted by Knightshade View Post
    meh internet there are hundreds of things to do on it when the forums die down I just find something else to do.
    It's not that big a deal really, I'm just trying to understand why things were done the way they were,but then again staff makes hard decisions everyday sure some users like myself might question why lock some hangouts instead of merging post in general gaming,(the more I think of it we were getting to many hangout threads and I'm sure you all have more plans as well)but the staff has a more robust understanding of what is actually going down around here than most users.

    Also my comment that started this discussion was not an attack of any sort it was an attempt at striking up a conversation which it succeeded in doing, I have rarely posted in either of the locked threads.
    Staff can remove this if they feel like I'm breaking one of the rules, but I feel like the full reason for why the threads were closed should be pointed out:
    [ edit ] This sentence sounds really weird... there was really no hidden reason beyond what was stated by Cookie, but there are reasons that stemmed from us having the conversation after the proposal to close those threads that further legitimized the reason behind it. If that makes sense. GAH


    Similar with the chat program, we felt like all of the threads were serving the same purpose -- they were all being used as a HO. Similar to the incident with the chat program, it is very difficult to moderate multiple HO threads and perform regular staff duties, and have some sort of a social life. Considering there is pretty much always a staff member around reading the regular HO, or at least backreading to some extent to make sure everything is okay, unifying everything into one HO makes it easier for the staff to do their jobs.

    Ultimately none of us want to dissuade anyone from coming to EP, and we want everyone to enjoy their time here, but there has to be a limit to how accommodating we are so that we don't take on more than we can handle. Once issues started cropping up with having multiple HOs, and realizing that they were all being used for the same thing (yes, even the count-backwards thread was a "HO" in spirit), the proposition was raised for us to close certain threads. We discussed it on and off for almost a month before reaching this decision, and it did not come lightly.

    I realize that it sucks for the select groups of people who actually did use those threads, but it's the same thing as what happened with the chat program -- some things have to be unified in order to make it possible for the staff to do their jobs.

    (And that's the last time I'm ever going to reference any of this. Sorry if I stepped on any toes, staff. I'm trying not to moderate any more, I swear to God! )
    Last edited by Drageuth; 4th-June-2012 at 04:53.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drageuth View Post
    Solution: don't act like a jackass.

    I'm not saying any of those are you, but that is the general trend that I have seen.
    I'm sure you feel i am the above because of one comment and my view on one thing but i can't take that back. But people must have there views on me i guess.

    And i wasn't saying to take retro away or anything. I was just saying the biggest group out of everyone.

    Sorry if you have any opinion about me and what not, one joke was a joke and it was in bad taste i guess.

    But the count backwards thread was for the newbies whom kinda (Can't speak for everyone here) gelt akward in the regular hangout as some people didn't ever take them seriously or what not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drageuth View Post
    Very long post
    Thank you Drageuth. I myself wasn't trying to be an ass, if anyone took it that way I apologize.

    That is what I felt was needed was a more in depth explanation of why decisions were made the way they were, as with the closing of the chat back then,you gave a thorough explanation that explained more than
    we are closing the thread please use the regular hangout
    ^paraphrased^

    I know the staff owes the members nothing in the way of explanations, but I am of the mind that where thorough explanations are provided it cuts down on confusion and bickering.
    So in closing, once again thank you for providing an informative explanation of what has happened/how this decision was reached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spose' View Post
    I'm sure you feel i am the above because of one comment and my view on one thing but i can't take that back. But people must have there views on me i guess.

    And i wasn't saying to take retro away or anything. I was just saying the biggest group out of everyone.

    Sorry if you have any opinion about me and what not, one joke was a joke and it was in bad taste i guess.

    But the count backwards thread was for the newbies whom kinda (Can't speak for everyone here) gelt akward in the regular hangout as some people didn't ever take them seriously or what not.
    It's not that I don't like you, it's that sometimes I can be extremely opinionated. And when I'm cranky because I like having things a certain way and I think people are fucking with my routine, I kind of snap at people. It has nothing to do with you, it's a messed up thing that I do that I really shouldn't translate to the forums, because the forums aren't the same as my home. But I spend so much time here that I kind of get the same sense of ownership sometimes when I really shouldn't.

    I know I have snapped at you in the past, but more likely than not it was because of that reason. Or because I was overworked or stressed about something else, and you are a newer member with a lot less clout than I have, therefore it is easy for me to act like a jackass and feel powerful. Nothing to do with you, sometimes I just go on a power trip.

    Quote Originally Posted by Knightshade View Post
    Thank you Drageuth. I myself wasn't trying to be an ass, if anyone took it that way I apologize.

    That is what I felt was needed was a more in depth explanation of why decisions were made the way they were, as with the closing of the chat back then,you gave a thorough explanation that explained more than
    ^paraphrased^

    I know the staff owes the members nothing in the way of explanations, but I am of the mind that where thorough explanations are provided it cuts down on confusion and bickering.
    So in closing, once again thank you for providing an informative explanation of what has happened/how this decision was reached.
    There are many reasons things don't always get mentioned to the regular members about staff decisions. Sometimes it's because there are certain incidents that brought about the change that they don't necessarily want to shed more light on that there has to be, and sometimes it's a mutual decision among all staff members that they feel something isn't working properly and that, to save themselves a headache in the future, they are going to deal with now. They are always trying to make the board better in whatever way they can, and ultimately it was felt that dividing members into cliques was not the way to go about it.

    In the end, someone will always be upset by any decisions that are made. It's the double-edged sword that they face, and it's one of the reasons I stepped down as a staff member. It really isn't a fun job.

    Hopefully (and only time will tell with this one), it will create a more active Hang Out where people are able to hold conversations with others that they wouldn't normally take part in. It may be just as intimidating for a new member to jump into the regular Hang Out as opposed to one of the speciality Hang Outs, but at least they only have to worry about one place now. And hopefully we can keep this one from dying and constantly being updated with "I dun did killed the HO."


    (Note: if any of the above sentences about management decisions reads weird, it's because I originally wrote it as if I was still a staff member, then just went through and changed the pronouns. It sounds off, but it still works).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drageuth View Post
    It's not that I don't like you, it's that sometimes I can be extremely opinionated. And when I'm cranky because I like having things a certain way and I think people are fucking with my routine, I kind of snap at people. It has nothing to do with you, it's a messed up thing that I do that I really shouldn't translate to the forums, because the forums aren't the same as my home. But I spend so much time here that I kind of get the same sense of ownership sometimes when I really shouldn't.

    I know I have snapped at you in the past, but more likely than not it was because of that reason. Or because I was overworked or stressed about something else, and you are a newer member with a lot less clout than I have, therefore it is easy for me to act like a jackass and feel powerful. Nothing to do with you, sometimes I just go on a power trip.



    There are many reasons things don't always get mentioned to the regular members about staff decisions. Sometimes it's because there are certain incidents that brought about the change that they don't necessarily want to shed more light on that there has to be, and sometimes it's a mutual decision among all staff members that they feel something isn't working properly and that, to save themselves a headache in the future, they are going to deal with now. They are always trying to make the board better in whatever way they can, and ultimately it was felt that dividing members into cliques was not the way to go about it.

    In the end, someone will always be upset by any decisions that are made. It's the double-edged sword that they face, and it's one of the reasons I stepped down as a staff member. It really isn't a fun job.

    Hopefully (and only time will tell with this one), it will create a more active Hang Out where people are able to hold conversations with others that they wouldn't normally take part in. It may be just as intimidating for a new member to jump into the regular Hang Out as opposed to one of the speciality Hang Outs, but at least they only have to worry about one place now. And hopefully we can keep this one from dying and constantly being updated with "I dun did killed the HO."


    (Note: if any of the above sentences about management decisions reads weird, it's because I originally wrote it as if I was still a staff member, then just went through and changed the pronouns. It sounds off, but it still works).
    No worries man,I get where you are coming from.
    I understand why the staff may not feel the need to post reasons or aggravate an already bad situation.

    It's just as was said before I feel as a part of this community that we as regular members deserve a little insight into why certain decisions are made,(for me at least it gives me a stronger since of belonging or community if you will)instead of this is our ruling abide by it,or get out.

    Does that make any sense?

    I just want to feel like I belong to a community instead of feeling like the accused in a court trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knightshade View Post
    No worries man,I get where you are coming from.
    I understand why the staff may not feel the need to post reasons or aggravate an already bad situation.

    It's just as was said before I feel as a part of this community that we as regular members deserve a little insight into why certain decisions are made,(for me at least it gives me a stronger since of belonging or community if you will)instead of this is our ruling abide by it,or get out.

    Does that make any sense?

    I just want to feel like I belong to a community instead of feeling like the accused in a court trial.
    Oh and none of this is meant to be offensive to any staff member, and Drageuth
    just to let you know members that share my opinions on you are the reason you are still in the rankings that ray posted the other day you will always be my favorite mod(even though you aren't one anymore.) cause you take the time to explain things and be more personable than most "other" staff members.

    There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity ignorant people can be taught
    stupid people need to be shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drageuth View Post
    It's not that I don't like you, it's that sometimes I can be extremely opinionated. And when I'm cranky because I like having things a certain way and I think people are fucking with my routine, I kind of snap at people. It has nothing to do with you, it's a messed up thing that I do that I really shouldn't translate to the forums, because the forums aren't the same as my home. But I spend so much time here that I kind of get the same sense of ownership sometimes when I really shouldn't.
    Yeah its nothing big, it just felt as if you might of thought of me sub-consciously when writing that. I know if someone is pissed ect. they will take it out on some one else when they are maybe "More powerful" ect.

    And when your a new member. Your first few posts in the hangout are the worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drageuth View Post
    Correction: us newbs used to always post in the regular HO. The cool kids posted in RBT.
    There was a considerable span of time (about a year or two) in there where the only notable retros (IE: much of the ones that post there now) who were still posting heavily were posting in the regular hangout, with retro effectively "dying".

    Then Chen happened.

    Yadda yadda yadda, we never really migrated out since.

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    Is everyone done pouring their hearts out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knightshade View Post
    It's just as was said before I feel as a part of this community that we as regular members deserve a little insight into why certain decisions are made,(for me at least it gives me a stronger since of belonging or community if you will)instead of this is our ruling abide by it,or get out.

    Does that make any sense?

    I just want to feel like I belong to a community instead of feeling like the accused in a court trial.
    It does make sense, and it is one of the reasons that I decided to respond to all of these posts. While not everyone who joins the forums contributes in the sense of content of aid to other members, you all contribute in some form or another (even if it's only for others to point and laugh ). I guess I've also kicked into dad mode right now and feel like defusing situations before things get out of hand, and last time this all happened (chat incident), I snapped at a regular when I really shouldn't have. I'm attempting to learn from that mistake, even if I have no formal power anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by Knightshade View Post
    Oh and none of this is meant to be offensive to any staff member, and Drageuth
    just to let you know members that share my opinions on you are the reason you are still in the rankings that ray posted the other day you will always be my favorite mod(even though you aren't one anymore.) cause you take the time to explain things and be more personable than most "other" staff members.
    I'm too nice for my own good. I've been backreading everything instead of playing games because for some reason I felt like intervening and explaining, possibly to avoid the same backlash as what happened with the chat thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spose' View Post
    Yeah its nothing big, it just felt as if you might of thought of me sub-consciously when writing that. I know if someone is pissed ect. they will take it out on some one else when they are maybe "More powerful" ect.

    And when your a new member. Your first few posts in the hangout are the worst.
    It happens. There are a lot of people who post in the regular forums (not just HO, but everywhere) that I generally am not interested in talking to, either through uncommon interests or a dislike of personality or both. In the end, I'm a wall of text being generated by someone on the other side of the world for a lot of you, and at the very least the other side of the continent for most, so I really don't expect anyone to take what I say seriously on a regular basis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raype View Post
    There was a considerable span of time (about a year or two) in there where the only notable retros (IE: much of the ones that post there now) who were still posting heavily were posting in the regular hangout, with retro effectively "dying".

    Then Chen happened.

    Yadda yadda yadda, we never really migrated out since.
    Retro has always been hit or miss. When I first gained access (God, was that back in '03...?!), it was a fairly dead forum with only a couple of posts a day. Then there would be days without posts. Then random surges of activity when someone tried to revive it, then nothing.

    I really wish I had been here for Chen, though.

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    Probably. We pretty muck killed conversation dead for a bit there.

    Mission accomplished I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrm View Post
    Is everyone done pouring their hearts out?
    THE REASON WE CLOSED THOSE OTHER THREADS WAS TO STIMULATE CONVERSATION IN THE REGULAR HANG OUT
    YOU ARE GOING AGAINST OUR WISHES GODDAMMIT

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    In all honesty, I am done. I think everything that can be said about the topic has been said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drageuth View Post
    THE REASON WE CLOSED THOSE OTHER THREADS WAS TO STIMULATE CONVERSATION IN THE REGULAR HANG OUT
    YOU ARE GOING AGAINST OUR WISHES GODDAMMIT
    you too.


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    What'd I miss? Something about thread closure?

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