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    Off We go again!

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    "Games Cause Rape" Psychiatrist Defends Her Position

    Dr. Carole Lieberman, the "media psychiatrist" who claimed on Fox News that videogames are responsible for turning people into rapists, has finally issued a statement defending her claim.

    In case you somehow missed it, Dr. Carole Lieberman, a three-time Emmy award-winning "media psychiatrist," author and expert witness for hire told Fox News last week that "the increase in rapes can be attributed in large part to the playing out of [sexual] scenes in videogames." That's right: videogames can turn people into rapists.

    It was ludicrous, of course, not only because there is absolutely zero evidence that videogames cause sexual violence but because it flies in the face of statistics showing that the incidence of rape has actually declined significantly over the past two decades. But none of that has prevented Lieberman from standing behind her statement.

    After nearly a week of waiting, Lieberman put out a statement today claiming that her response to demands for evidence was delayed because she'd filed them away on the assumption that "everyone already knew about these studies," and hadn't been able to get to them in a timely fashion because of her "obligations to patients and other professional commitments." Included with the statement were links to her supporting evidence, which included the American Psychological Association's "Resolution on Violence in Videogames and Interactive Media," which called for a reduction of violence in videogames being marketed to children and youth; a link to another APA report called "Vulnerability to Violent Videogames: A Review and Integration of Personality Research," which said that some personality types might have an adverse reaction to violent games but conceded that "a considerable number of studies have failed to find compelling links between VVGs [violent videogames] and aggression"; and the obligatory hysterical tale about RapeLay.

    In other words, there's not a whole lot to see here, nor is there any defense of her claim that the number of reported rapes is up despite the fact that the number of reported rapes is down. Instead, what we're treated to is condescension and dismissal. Her response in full:

    "I am sending this email to all of the reporters, editors, bloggers, gamers and others who have contacted me asking about what my opinion regarding violent video games was based upon. When I was first asked to provide studies, I did not have them on my fingertips - not because I didn't know they existed - but because I thought that everyone already knew about these studies and I had them filed away. My obligations to patients and other professional commitments have delayed my gathering these examples of such studies, and sending them to you, until now."

    "I have worked in the area of media violence for many years. This included testifying before Congress on the issue, doing numerous media interviews, stopping the 'Schwarzenegger rocket' that was to have had an ad for Last Action Hero on it, being invited to contribute an essay on video game violence to Larry King's book Beyond A Reasonable Doubt, etc. When the Columbine murders took place, there were national polls where people voted on what they believed caused the two young men to kill. Media violence ranked high on the list, so I, obviously mistakenly, assumed that people still knew about the studies showing this connection - and believed them to have proven the link."

    "In any case, I would appreciate your including a mention of these studies on your websites, blogs or comments, or at least including a mention of the fact that I did provide such studies to you. Thank you."
    So the matter was settled long ago, in other words, and those of us who weren't aware of that fact have nobody to blame but ourselves for not paying attention. It's not exactly an overwhelming argument and the fact that RapeLay ended up in the mix speaks for itself; it goes without saying that no mention was made of dissenting studies. It's hard to say where things will go from here - probably nowhere good - but at this point I think it's safe to assume that we won't be getting a Cooper Lawrence-style admission of error out of Dr. Lieberman.

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    If Bulletstorm turns you into a rapist what will Duke Nukem Forever turn you into?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crusher View Post
    If Bulletstorm turns you into a rapist what will Duke Nukem Forever turn you into?
    A murderer who decapitates people and then shits down their necks. Clearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivolt View Post
    A murderer who decapitates people and then shits down their necks. Clearly.
    Do we have a word for that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crusher View Post
    Do we have a word for that?
    Decapitation defecater.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raype View Post
    Decapitation defecater.

    Surely we can come up with something better than that? Can you imagine the headlines? "Decapitation defecator strikes fear into hearts of populace!"

    ...actually, it has some merit.

    Kouen, to reply to your piece about that doctor Carol Lieberman: The moment I saw "media psychiatrist" I thought "Okay, Dr. Phil may do some good. At least his programs show that he does, and who knows, it MIGHT not all be bullshit. (Plus, at least the bullshit he spouts is reasonable bullshit ). This woman's clearly only ever appeared on Fox, and probably hosts a show advocating that insanity's caused by loud music." Her evidence is bullshit, but it's impossible to make cretins like these retract their statements. I've NEVER heard of anyone making an official apology after making statements such as that.

    People are morons. I sincerely doubt it'll ever change. (Should anyone on this board be offended, please note that I meant humanity in general. Should this still offend you, you are part of the moron caste. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lasharus View Post
    Surely we can come up with something better than that? Can you imagine the headlines? "Decapitation defecator strikes fear into hearts of populace!"

    ...actually, it has some merit.

    Kouen, to reply to your piece about that doctor Carol Lieberman: The moment I saw "media psychiatrist" I thought "Okay, Dr. Phil may do some good. At least his programs show that he does, and who knows, it MIGHT not all be bullshit. (Plus, at least the bullshit he spouts is reasonable bullshit ). This woman's clearly only ever appeared on Fox, and probably hosts a show advocating that insanity's caused by loud music." Her evidence is bullshit, but it's impossible to make cretins like these retract their statements. I've NEVER heard of anyone making an official apology after making statements such as that.

    People are morons. I sincerely doubt it'll ever change. (Should anyone on this board be offended, please note that I meant humanity in general. Should this still offend you, you are part of the moron caste. )
    Furthermore:

    I think we should analyse the company she keeps

    TL; DR she was in a movie that advocates human slavery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raype View Post
    Furthermore:

    I think we should analyse the company she keeps

    TL; DR she was in a movie that advocates human slavery.
    Kinky.

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    This is as bad as Japanese Democratic Party's Ishihara's crap about manga turning people into unsocial rapists, ridiculous

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    Everyone's different I guess, so I suppose its possible that it holds some truth. People are stupid, that's no secret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raype View Post
    Furthermore:

    I think we should analyse the company she keeps

    TL; DR she was in a movie that advocates human slavery.
    She's also played in the Bold and the Beautiful. Her case isn't becoming any more stable, is it? In point of fact, I firmly believe that any actor who's played in any kind of soap series is dangerously unstable and should be locked up for the good of society as a whole. But maybe that's just me (it isn't).

    Of course, what do I know? I just want to take over the world!

    ...bugger, I'm not supposed to break cover. Damnable gaming-inspired supervillain complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lasharus View Post
    She's also played in the Bold and the Beautiful. Her case isn't becoming any more stable, is it? In point of fact, I firmly believe that any actor who's played in any kind of soap series is dangerously unstable and should be locked up for the good of society as a whole. But maybe that's just me (it isn't).

    Of course, what do I know? I just want to take over the world!

    ...bugger, I'm not supposed to break cover. Damnable gaming-inspired supervillain complex.
    carol leiberman: *after reading post* Video Games made this man insane! Must report to the Fox agency for World Domination. I mean the Fox news network... yea.
    I can't believe I got the admins to give me a Sesame Street username.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raype View Post
    Furthermore:

    I think we should analyse the company she keeps

    TL; DR she was in a movie that advocates human slavery.
    You could have just stopped at "she's an actor".

    And she would have lost all credibility.

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    I remember when some dumb church from Kentucky said that pokemon is training kids to become evolutionists and they got on Fox news. Those bastards just want to raise controversy, that's all.


    Hail to the king baby!

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    Time to rape women and chew bubblegum.

    And I'm all out of gum.

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