Anonymous vs. Scientology

[Dr Mario]

Well, obviously this world isn't perfect, but the way we are made so unique and our body parts are in just the right place for all to function, as well as everything else. I don't know man, take a look outside, look at some scenery and space. I can't see how all of this was an accident.

Unguided != accident. Natural selection doesn't have a guiding intelligence, but the results are far from accidental.

The human body isn't even close to having everything in the right place. Non-functional organs, injury-prone sections, exposed vitals, broken gene sequences and so on. It's functional, but in a rather ad-hoc manner and it shows.

Lastly, your lack of knowledge regarding biology and psychology in no way invalidates those two areas. It just means that you don't necessarily have all the tools to come to a proper conclusion.

[Fury]

Quantum Physics does not mean what you think it does.

I dont think i need a lesson in quantum mechanics from you, and seeing as how you didn't elaborate, I will assume you couldn't give me a lesson in it even if i wanted you to. Quantum mechanics does prove there is no local reality, everything i said after that is my personal philosophy and obviously subjective.

Here are 2 Useful Links regarding Local reality

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/27640
http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/Gener...lsTheorem.html

Hope that works for you man, but that's a crap theory. It's lonely. It's cynical. I like to think there's a higher power out there, I don't think we're all a coincidence. We're all made too perfect and unique for it to be all one huge accident or coincidence. Just because we don't know and can't comprehend heaven and eternity, doesn't mean it's not there. Just like the wind. We're so used to relying on our only senses, and we're too ignorant to even think of the word infinity and eternity.
There's a lot more, but it's hard for me to think/type it all. I do much better talking and seem to make more sense probably.

For your post I simply will leave you with this. You're not going to be able to change my mind on this, but you have said you're up in the air about it. I dont absolutely believe there is no god, i have just seen absolutely no evidence of one in my life. Just because we cant comprehend dark matter or parts of the electromagnetic spectrum that we cannot percieve doesn't mean they dont exist either (dark matter has yet to be absolutely proven), but at least there is evidence of their existense. I'm not going to waste anymore time trying to get you to believe my philosophy of life, you hold your own truth in your own world. As far as i can tell, I am my higher power, and I decide my morals, not a religion, or an invisible man that does nothing. I dont know how we got here, but just because I cant prove there isn't a god, doesnt default to, there must be one.

I leave you with Occam's Razor

All other things being equal, the simplest solution is usually the correct one

I think the fact that we just are, is alot more simple than an almighty mysterious god but that is for you to decide. As I said before continue to believe as you do, and I'll continue not to. My life is quite complete without a "god".

[Chibi-Suke]

I dont think i need a lesson in quantum mechanics from you, and seeing as how you didn't elaborate, I will assume you couldn't give me a lesson in it even if i wanted you to. Quantum mechanics does prove there is no local reality, everything i said after that is my personal philosophy and obviously subjective.

Basically, quantum physics is spawned from the fact that the laws of physics at a microscopic level, and the laws of physics at our level are completely different. Which (and I paraphrase from an author whose name escapes me), Is like a city with two conflicting traffic laws, it just can't work." Quantum Physics attempts to work that out, but in the mean time we come out with a couple of logical anomylies and the such that seems more science fiction then fact. Such as superposition, which says that the same object, same atoms and everything, can occupy two entirely different positions in space.

I read books!

[Ton]

1.21 JIGAWATTTTTTS!!!!!!

[Chibi-Suke]

1.21 JIGAWATTTTTTS!!!!!!

That amount of energy can only be produced by a bolt of lightning!

[The Joker]

That amount of energy can only be produced by a bolt of lightning!

what did you say?

[Chibi-Suke]

Unfortunately there's no way to tell when or where a bolt of lightning will strike.

[Stark]

Just got back from Birmingham, pretty good stuff, even got some ITV coverage. I didn't bother wearing a mask, let them come

[Panda Man]

I didn't bother wearing a mask, let them come

rawr!

[crusher]

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/1...0969372yn5.jpg

So awesome!

EDIT: whoops, a little too big.

[Libra]

Unguided != accident. Natural selection doesn't have a guiding intelligence, but the results are far from accidental.

The human body isn't even close to having everything in the right place. Non-functional organs, injury-prone sections, exposed vitals, broken gene sequences and so on. It's functional, but in a rather ad-hoc manner and it shows.

Lastly, your lack of knowledge regarding biology and psychology in no way invalidates those two areas. It just means that you don't necessarily have all the tools to come to a proper conclusion.

I dont think i need a lesson in quantum mechanics from you, and seeing as how you didn't elaborate, I will assume you couldn't give me a lesson in it even if i wanted you to. Quantum mechanics does prove there is no local reality, everything i said after that is my personal philosophy and obviously subjective.

Here are 2 Useful Links regarding Local reality

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/27640
http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/Gener...lsTheorem.html



For your post I simply will leave you with this. You're not going to be able to change my mind on this, but you have said you're up in the air about it. I dont absolutely believe there is no god, i have just seen absolutely no evidence of one in my life. Just because we cant comprehend dark matter or parts of the electromagnetic spectrum that we cannot percieve doesn't mean they dont exist either (dark matter has yet to be absolutely proven), but at least there is evidence of their existense. I'm not going to waste anymore time trying to get you to believe my philosophy of life, you hold your own truth in your own world. As far as i can tell, I am my higher power, and I decide my morals, not a religion, or an invisible man that does nothing. I dont know how we got here, but just because I cant prove there isn't a god, doesnt default to, there must be one.

I leave you with Occam's Razor



I think the fact that we just are, is alot more simple than an almighty mysterious god but that is for you to decide. As I said before continue to believe as you do, and I'll continue not to. My life is quite complete without a "god".

We're not made to last forever. Our bodies are not made to be pain free, immortal, or perfect in any means. God isn't a magician.

Like you said, I cannot change your mind, which I'm not trying to do, nor can you change mine. It's something a person must find out and have faith in for themselves. No one will EVER figure it out, until we die. And maybe not even then, who knows what happens next? No one.

I just like to think there's more than just "is". I think there's more to what we know and everything. Again, it's a touche subject and hard to explain in words, rather than talking it out on a forum, but I close with saying good luck to everyone with their beliefs. I'm still trying to find mine, through God.

;]

[Fury]

Like you said, I cannot change your mind, which I'm not trying to do, nor can you change mine. It's something a person must find out and have faith in for themselves. No one will EVER figure it out, until we die. And maybe not even then, who knows what happens next? No one.

I'm sorry i must take issue with this, Its not something a person must find out and have faith in. Its part of the standard Christian superiority complex, that I'm the one that doesn't "get it", and that you're somehow enlightened for subscribing to such delusions. I used to be like you. I started out raised Christian, and through my teenage years i slowly moved to a casual Christian, to an agnostic, to finally, no religion or prayer at all. I didn't give up all my faith at once, It was one thing at a time, until my view of the world completely made religion an impossibility for myself. I don't disagree that there is more than what we know going on, and that there are some things we'll never figure out, the idea of a god is a limited answer, and just one of limitless possibilities.

[Libra]

Again, your opinion. Hope it works out for you. Peace.

[Evans]

We're not made to last forever. Our bodies are not made to be pain free, immortal, or perfect in any means. God isn't a magician.

God>magician.

[Chibi-Suke]

God isn't a magician.

How do you know that? He could be, rabbit and everything!