Anonymous vs. Scientology

[Paladin_Hammer]

Let's see, various illegal activities to overthrow/manipulate various governments and political figures, seedy as hell recruitment practices, blackmail and censorship of critics, cutting off members from friends and family, a "join us or die" attitude which may eventually cause issues if they ever become a widespread religion (which while similarly exercised by other religions, most religions don't have a floating military force waiting for the "right moment" to "strike", nor do they, as a group, accept it as much as scientologists appears to.), eh, the list goes on.

Do some research, they've killed and threatened to kill several people over the years.

"Join or die"? When? Where? Who? I've never seen this before, nor have I ever heard of a scientologist killing someone over their religion. And manipulation of government? Dude, WHAT ORGANIZATION DOESN'T HAVE LOBBIST? Hell, everything from the Tabbacco industry to the red-cross has members in Washington trying to get their way. "Censorship of Critics"? I recall seeing a South Park episode on scientology, and I recall seeing it on DVD just a few weeks ago. Psychologist cut off family members when they think that its deterimental to someone, should we attack them?

And if you've done ANY research saying that a scientologist has killed someone for not being or refusing to be a scientologist, I'd like to see your research. One thing militant (so-called) "freethinkers" on youtube have been telling me to do is research their claims (like one guy who told me that all the wars in the last century were aused by Christians, which is bullshit, See: Soviet Invasion of Afganistan, Kmer Rouge, N. Korea, etc etc etc).

Paladin, google these terms/names.

Operation PC Freakout
Operation Snow White
Rehabilitative Project Force
R2:45
Fair Game Policy
Lisa McPherson
Noah Lottick
Heribert Pfaff
Josephus Havenith


Then come back to this topic.

This isn't about the religion, or what its members believe. This is about the actions of the Orgs, the Church itself, and what it does. Those that practice in the "Free Zone" are free to do so, they're not committing the crimes that the church itself is.

So lets see, the "Rehabilitation Project Force" was a place for members who weren't living up to the churchs standards, where they worked in manual labor. Boo-freaking hoo. They had the choice to leave if they didn't like it. As anyone who doesn't like their religion does in the US.

Operation Snow White was basically the shredding of documents of unfavorable things L. Ron Hubbard did, including those in the hands of the Federal Government. The 1970's! Who the hell (save Sprung) was alive then that is here? Or in "anonymous"? And didn't the FBI send the conspirators of said operation to prison? So that was taken care of? 30 years ago?

Operation Freakout looks as bad as you guys make it sound, save one area, the members of scientology who were involved in it were also in Operation Snow White (and sent to prison).

R2:45 has never been used according to everything I've found. Hell, Hubbard even said in the transcript for the lecture "Exteriorization", he refers to R2-45, and the process as being "used humorously". So, its nevef been used, so what the hell is this about?

The "Fair Game Policy" was ended in 1968! Forty years ago! Critics argue that it continues to this day. So, let me get this straight. Since a few guys heckle someone who doesn't like their religion, now its okay for vigilantes to hack websites, post innocent persons credit-card and SS numbers, and basically harrass the hell out of people, even sending them "death threats" (see:this again). So someone gets heckled and now your going to steal information and tell them your going to kill them. Great, VERY HYPOCRITCAL.

This whole thing is as hypocritical and stupid as I thought it was. Your attacking this thing because of issues that happened THIRTY+ years ago. Great, why don't I go and kill everyone in Veitnam? I mean, they did kill Americans, thirty years ago, so I should just live in the past and take revenge. Thats the thinking you guys and "anonymous" have.