What's with all the hate for Vista?

I have had Windows Vista x64 Ultimate:<3: for alittle over 2 months now and havn't had any problems > the problems I had with XP MCE 2005....
(other than incompatibility issues with older progies)

The biggest problem I've had so far is simple driver issues...or should I say the "Lack there of" vista x64 drivers for various devices.
The people who r complaining about it probly just aren't getting the windows updates(probably because they are useing a pirated copy of vista...)

So Y does everyone put it down so much?:dizzy:

My PC is custom built:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Brisbane
-2.3GHz dual core :strong:
2 GB ddr800 sdram (Vista is currently utilizing about 730MB of it during regular use and I have not seen that value exceed 1.5GB...)
ATI Radeon X700 pci-e16
2 HDDs
-60GB IDE
-250GB SATA 3.0gbps

What sort of hardware do you really have to have Vista screw up on you?
(Other than a PC that doesn't meet or exceed the recomended system requirments)

Moved. Also, I don't really hate Vista. My PC just doesn't have enough ram to run it the way I wanted it to.

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Originally Posted by Tsunade-sama

Moved. Also, I don't really hate Vista. My PC just doesn't have enough ram to run it the way I wanted it to.

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No its Fugly, really is, i have it on my Laptop, lets just say i havent used my laptop since it was brought for me.

it crashed on me around 10 times after instalation
it lost my utorrent downloads (they were taking space on the hdd just no where to be found)
extremely slow
it askes me 22 if i really wanted to make a new folder

i'll wait for sp1 or in vista's case sp12

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Originally Posted by Ultimate X

it crashed on me around 10 times after instalation
it lost my utorrent downloads (they were taking space on the hdd just no where to be found)
extremely slow
it askes me 22 if i really wanted to make a new folder

i'll wait for sp1 or in vista's case sp12

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I remember i tried to install i think it was wireless internet on mine, would not install it, i just went "Fuck this" and everything is still sitting in the box.
XP was much more user friendly IMO, i let my mums BF play around on the laptop, all i heard was "WHAT THE FUCK I DIDNT WANT TO FUCKING DO THAT" or "WHY THE FUCK WONT YOU FUCK IT CRASHED" And his normal a claim person, with XP his fine, hardly no troubles, id hate to see my nanna use Vista *shrug* and its not like a computer sales person ISNT goin to push that on her.

I've never had a single problem with Vista. Though I think that ram plays a huge part in this. I actually love this OS.

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Originally Posted by banned

I've never had a single problem with Vista. Though I think that ram plays a huge part in this. I actually love this OS.

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I know you do. :P I liked it, and I'm sure I would've stuck with it permanently had my PC more ram. But, it doesn't. :shrug: And really, it doesn't need much more anyway, because I don't have it there for heavy gaming and such.

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Originally Posted by Foxboy

The people who r complaining about it probly just aren't getting the windows updates(probably because they are useing a pirated copy of vista...)

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Bullshit propoganda! Assuming that because something doesn't work right for someone they pirated it, who are you, a Star Force employee? :harold:

1) Requires more RAM then XP. (this can be a problem when running emulators that require a lot of RAM, like SSF, NDS & DC emus)
2) Has more built-in DRM then XP.
3) Still not fully compatible with all essential drivers/incompatibility with some older programs & games.
4) Doesn't really offer anything new that would justify the price of buying it, other than DX 10, and let's face it, most PC games are going to be DX 9 compliant for the next few years because game makers want to sell their games to as many people as they can.

5) And more than likely M$ still hasn't ironed out enough of the bugs in it to make it as reliable and stable as XP--which is probably the reason why people keep reporting that Vista crashed or had some other serious problem when they tried it. And I don't think most people are using the beta anymore; either they've bought or pirated the full version.

**Oh and Foxboy has nothing to do with StarForce, that I'm sure of ;)

well I thought it was standard today to have at least a gig of ram. my system runs perfectly smooth(I love AERO). ddr800 pc6400 is pretty cheap now... I have 2 gigs for about $120 (4x 512mb dual channel) Wintek AMPO (and thats the really cheap stuff!)

I will admit that I still dual boot with XP just as a fall back and just found out about a bunch of new updates(.net 3.0)

I find Vista to be mothing more than heavy eye candy that needs some ballsy RAM to run. I admit when i first got it on my new laptop I was like "WTF!! I'm gonna kill the fucker that sold me this", but after fiddling with it for about 3 hours I found features had just been moved and named differently and soon was a little more at ease.

I remember when they first started work on this OS they claimed it would be more user friendly, but I disagree. For the simple fact that they totally moved everything around and you had to have vast knowledge to track shit down. I could just imagine all the old people that got used to computers and then finally bought Vista thinking it would be more user friendly and were totally boned over b/c they couldn't do/find shit.

All in all I have the RAM so I'll just wait for a few service packs to come out. I like my winXP MCE 2005 very much.

I used it for a while, then I woke up one morning to find a black screen on both monitors and a solid HDD light. For those that don't know that typically means your hard disk is fubared. After a complete shut down and restart 2x it found my disk again. I reinstalled vista. Vista seeing that my hard disk survived the first attack decided to fuck up my partition tables royally. I mangaed to pull off most of the important data from the internal hard disk to an external hard disk and low level formatted the disk. After that I went back to XP. Nothing wrong with Vista when it works, but after screwing the hard disk 2x, its in the trash.

ya know ALL versions of Windows have had these problems from day one!

I should make this into the: "How bad has Micro$oft screwed you?!" thread...

my real question is: What makes Vista so much worse than XP, ME, 98, etc.
there was the same Problem when XP was released, so whats the big deal...

It'll definitly get better...

I'm not a big fan of the new bootloader tho...
I think that the boot loader should be something built into the MOBO that tells the computer where to boot an OS from... C:\Windows or D:\Linux

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Originally Posted by Foxboy

my real question is: What makes Vista so much worse than XP, ME, 98, etc.
there was the same Problem when XP was released, so whats the big deal...

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Easy, you need to invest a good deal of money into the system to run it properly. 120 USD for RAM may not sound like much, but when you throw in the cost of vista (which I recall as being ~140 US), and probably a fancier vid card if you haven't been keeping up on them lately (another 70-80), and suddenly you're paying almost 300 dollars to run a slightly fancier XP that crashes more and that doesn't have anything all that great coming out in the near future for it. Some people (mostly gamers or high level computer users) have this gear, but, in my opinion, the average person doesn't. So they'd have to buy this stuff. It isn't "already there, waiting to be vista'd".

Toss in some pretty shifty "safety features" and suddenly the whole thing just seems kinda lame.

While it will "get better", "new stuff will come out" and "hardware will get more advanced", we aren't there yet. And in the meantime you've got a fancy high priced OS that doesn't add a lot on top of it's predecessor while still taking a crapload more power to run.

You're basically just buying it on potential.

And we all know potential is hardly a selling point for most people.

Vista may very well become the next ME.

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Originally Posted by Ray.

Easy, you need to invest a good deal of money into the system to run it properly. 120 USD for RAM may not sound like much, but when you throw in the cost of vista (which I recall as being ~140 US), and probably a fancier vid card if you haven't been keeping up on them lately (another 70-80), and suddenly you're paying almost 300 dollars to run a slightly fancier XP that crashes more and that doesn't have anything all that great coming out in the near future for it.

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Video cards run anywhere from 150-600 depending on what your looking for. Vista isn't bad, and give a few more months it will be a good OS. Hell, give it another year it may take over XP. What people don't realize is that they don't hate vista, they hate microsoft ;)

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Originally Posted by Ray.

Vista may very well become the next ME.

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THEM'S FIGHTIN' WORDS!!!!

I'd like to know why is it that Vista slows the fuck down when torrents are going. That shit doesn't happen in XP. o_O Which is why I went back to XP.

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Originally Posted by Panda Man

Video cards run anywhere from 150-600 depending on what your looking for. Vista isn't bad, and give a few more months it will be a good OS. Hell, give it another year it may take over XP.

What people don't realize is that they don't hate vista, they hate microsoft ;)

THEM'S FIGHTIN' WORDS!!!!

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Last I checked vista didn't require anything THAT powerful. Just something pretty mid range. Going that far would likely be overkill. Or the acts of polobunny wanting 6 billion FPS from a game that was released 5 minutes ago. :wacko:

Not really. If they did we'd be seeing "lol vista an XP sux, linux FTW noobs kthnxbai". Nah, I take that back. No linux user would ever seriously type like that. Too nerdy. :wacko:

Vista is going to be non updated 98. *ding!* *begins fighting panda*

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Originally Posted by Mikey

I'd like to know why is it that Vista slows the fuck down when torrents are going. That shit doesn't happen in XP. Which is why I went back to XP.

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Toss in some pretty shifty "safety features" and suddenly the whole thing just seems kinda lame.

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Yeah. Stopping piracy and keeping hackers out. By killing your downloads and sucking up resources. GO MICROSOFT!

I'm starting up the Vista Support Fund, and am accepting donations now.

This fund is being setup so that I can make sure that everyone can have enough ram to run Vista properly. If you'd like to make a donation, please send a check or money order to:

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P.O. Box 3230
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Minimum donation fee of $500.00

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Originally Posted by Ray.

Last I checked vista didn't require anything THAT powerful. Just something pretty mid range. Going that far would likely be overkill. Or the acts of polobunny wanting 6 billion FPS from a game that was released 5 minutes ago. :wacko:

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I didn't specify specs or anythingm just said new cards will go between 150-600. A good card can be had for 200. 150 if you all you do is emulate an N64. Unless you ebay it. Or if you want some uber old stuff you could go sub 100 but there is no point, just shell out the extra moneyz. Polo is noob :P

And all you need is 512MB for Vista to run effectively, though I would REALLY recommend 1GB. 512MB is pretty much the min. If you don't have 512MB your comp needs to die. now.

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Originally Posted by Panda Man

And all you need is 512MB for Vista to run effectively, though I would REALLY recommend 1GB. 512MB is pretty much the min. If you don't have 512MB your comp needs to die. now.

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This is semi-true, not totally.

Vista is wank. I'll just use XP until I actually have to upgrade to Vista.

3GHZ Intel Pentium 4, 1GB DDR2 @ 533MHZ, 128MB Ati Radeon 9250. Will Vista run on this?

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Originally Posted by Sehnsucht

3GHZ Intel Pentium 4, 1GB DDR2 @ 533MHZ, 128MB Ati Radeon 9250. Will Vista run on this?

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Sehnsucht

3GHZ Intel Pentium 4, 1GB DDR2 @ 533MHZ, 128MB Ati Radeon 9250. Will Vista run on this?

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It should. Just don't do anything, like DOWNLOAD.

Hey! my specs when i first upgraded to vista:
2.0 GHZ AMD Athlon 3200+ AM2: $70
512mb ddr2 @ 800mhz: $49
ati radeon x700 pci-e16: $60

Vista ran perfectly smooth (maybe a hiccup here or there)
but aren't those pretty much the minimal specs for vista?

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Originally Posted by banned

Yes.

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Good. I might get it. In a few years time...

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Originally Posted by Sehnsucht

3GHZ Intel Pentium 4, 1GB DDR2 @ 533MHZ, 128MB Ati Radeon 9250. Will Vista run on this?

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Yes, but not Aero Glass. That needs at least a DX9 card, the 9250 is a DX8 (the last DX8 ATI, actually).

Would downloading torrents lag Vista on my setup?
(It's a lot better power wise than Mikey's...P4+1GB RAM, not a Celeron D and 512mb) Although his gfx card poops on mine.

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Originally Posted by Sehnsucht

Would downloading torrents lag Vista on my setup?
(It's a lot better power wise than Mikey's...P4+1GB RAM, not a Celeron D and 512mb) Although his gfx card poops on mine.

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I think it would. Ray says it's something that Microsoft had in mind, to mess with people who download using that or similar methods. So I don't think the most powerful setup in the world will get around that. :P

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Originally Posted by Tsunade-sama

I think it would. Ray says it's something that Microsoft had in mind, to mess with people who download using that or similar methods. So I don't think the most powerful setup in the world will get around that. :P

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I'm downloading via torrent right now and it's not lagging Vista at all.

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Originally Posted by banned

I'm downloading via torrent right now and it's not lagging Vista at all.

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or vice versa. I never had an issue. I think its just the fact that Vista is young. Give it time and the latest versions of your torrent app should work. utorrent didn't work well at first for me until I upgraded.

I got way to used to the way xp looks and feels and now they want to go with a apple osx clone :P I hate the way it looks and always asking me 5 times if I want to do something, but there is one good thing about it.......I like the chess game :P

there is more i dislike about it(I don't remember since it been a wile since I used vista), but I will stick with that for now since I only used RC1

You know you can turn off UAC (the cancel or allow thing)

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Originally Posted by Panda Man

You know you can turn off UAC (the cancel or allow thing)

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Yep, that was the first thing I disabled when I went to Vista. (it's in the user account settings).

My UAC keeps turning itself back on some how >_<
I have three user accounts on my PC though.

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Originally Posted by Ray.

Vista may very well become the next ME.

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I hope this is true so that I don't have to upgrade from XP, my pc could probably run Vista, but with barely enough power to do anything else rather than look at the user-friendly interface. Not Friendly when you can't games to run.

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Originally Posted by Monty_Python

I hope this is true so that I don't have to upgrade from XP, my pc could probably run Vista, but with barely enough power to do anything else rather than look at the user-friendly interface. Not Friendly when you can't games to run.

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People still use 98. You can't be forced to upgrade, xp will stick around for at least 2 more years, and by the time you have to upgrade, you'll probably be buying another comp.

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Originally Posted by Monty_Python

I hope this is true so that I don't have to upgrade from XP, my pc could probably run Vista, but with barely enough power to do anything else rather than look at the user-friendly interface. Not Friendly when you can't games to run.

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It's time to upgrade your pc.