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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypnos View Post
    I've never seen a judaic star laid out in that style (the Merkabah arrangement is fairly common amongst new agers as well, but I've never seen one of theirs like it either), so I'd appreciate a book title or something I could use to track down more info.
    Had I not been on so many *ahem* mind expanding substances at the time... Like I said it's been about 2 or 3 years making it hard to remember anyways. It wasn't the one about John Dee/Ed Kelly(a duo who channeled angels, and were given the rudiments of the magic that the Angels gave to Enoch, King of the First[or second] city. This magic was supposed to be the Word, which created everything, and could entirely change reality. Due to lack of understanding, they couldn't do much with it, but John Dee became the protector and consort of the Queen of England, to whom he would send letters signed 007)... It wasn't that one either(blue cover, man in white robe invoking the Pentagram[Modern Magic I think but I can't recall author, much Kabalah and rosicrucian magic]) I think it was also the one concerning Hebrew numeric system, Grammatons, different mystical Hebraic matrices. I think that was the one, really about Kabbalah and Merqabah mysticism, but I really can't remember the title. And I think the same Rite could be used for any spirit whose name was known, not specifically angels. I BELIEVE that the 6's are on the 3 points of the upward pointing triangle, and that was just the top of a much larger circle, probably 10 feet or more across.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypnos View Post
    I'm not familiar enough with Hebrew/Aramaic language to judge the letter/number equivalence, so I'll leave that for someone else.
    Try reading this without logging in. Any time the word Hebrew comes up, it should be linked to a Jewish forum, saying something in the bubble about Hebrew language... The basis is that every letter has a given number value, and is in fact also how they write that number, and so their words based on a similar concept had the same number. That would probably make learning their language a lot easier if they could teach the numbers first.



    Quote Originally Posted by Hypnos View Post
    Indeed. I personally like the Adam/Lillith narrative, but it's about as theologically relevant as the average Christians image of demons.
    As I said about it being God's Will for so many Apocryphal texts to resurface recently, I think this story is especially meaningful now. Especially in the aftermath of the pill and the Sexual Revolution, sexual harassment law, AIDS, God knows what else. Can't wait to see Male Supremacists running the streets yelling "We're losing our country! To the Women-folk!" lol So perhaps not THEOLOGICALLY relevant, but relevant nonetheless.



    Quote Originally Posted by Hypnos View Post
    If you'd like to elaborate on this (especially the Taoist/Anishinaabe elements in your belief) I'd be happy to hear it. That's not a common combination of faiths, and it's always interesting to see a new take on things, even if I don't agree with it.
    Taoism has a great hold on me, ever since the first few pages of Tao te Ching I read. Big bang theory says that at first there was only one type of particle(only ONE particle?) Kaboom! All the sudden, another type exists so that more can exist. Evil exists so Good can exist and vice versa. That's what really sucked me into that. Theories of physics that were part of a religion/faith that has been around for 3 or 4 thousand years. Some of that also runs parallel to the Jewish Tree of Life as you probably know. After the light there was a point, then another point so the first one could know itself, then the line, a third point so the first two could judge their relation to each other, on and on.
    Anishinaabe is the race commonly known in Minnesota as Chippewa, chippewa being a word that white people created. That part of my faith is something I just feel inside. The more I come to experience the old ways, the more I know myself, see? I really think sometimes about going off into the woods deep in the reservation and just living with the land, seeing if any other Anishinaabe will come join me. A lot of us still go ricing in the fall, some Elders still make the maple syrup, the crafts of Birch bark and leather still are taught in area schools, pow wows are held more often than I know. Just get away from money and greed and noise. Return to the peaceful life. Back in the hunter/gatherer days, most people only worked(hunted) a few hours a week. Kill a deer, and you can feed your family, taking days off. Make some into Jerky and that can go all winter. And if the wife and kids get on your nerves "Hunting Party!!! W00T!!!" Come back in a few days lol You've probably seen Disneys Pocahotass. A lot of that about everything having a spirit is right. Everything is connected, because everything is still a part of Creation.

    As far as the Jesus thing, that would REALLY piss Christians off, so I won't get into it here.



    Quote Originally Posted by Hypnos View Post
    Eh. This thread was well and truly hijacked by the second post.
    The first post really seemed like some human was really trying to express their faith, and that's not something that really should be disrespected. That's why I felt the need to apologize. I kinda felt like I had done that... But Yes, that whole saltiness thing was pretty much a killer. lol


    Mentioning Apocrypha, The Gospel of Judas! What amazing faith would you need to turn a person you KNOW to be God over to authorities who you know will kill him!!!!!
    If a person you loved with all your being turned to you and said, "To prove your love and devotion to me, you have to lead people to me who will torture and kill me. Then you are going to watch at the murderers side, while all your fellow apostles revile and hate you for dooming me. Then you will be known through 2 millenia as the great betrayer, hated by all men who worship our God. You will do all this for me, and to prove your devotion to God." could you do it?

    Kinda seems like a lot of other people who had trials in the Bible had it REAL easy.
    Last edited by skullpoker; 19th-August-2007 at 09:56.


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