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AWWWWWWW you suck. I thought the exact same thing. :XOriginally Posted by Sprung
Sorry, I won't sit around for 3 hours, listening to biased banter. Either come up with a decently worded post/article/whatever, and I'll read.
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It took less than a minute
"once proud people of the west forced into becoming cannon fodder"
Uh, last I checked joining the military was a voluntary. Nobody's being "forced" into anything. If you join the military, you're seeing a warzone at some point.
I won't bother going through the whole video seeing as you'll just come in with a different username and link something else rather than justify my response with one of your own.
Don't waste my fucking time.
EDIT- oh, and before you mention that that fact had NOTHING to do with 9/11 so it's unimportant if they were right or wrong, I'd like to point out that if they're getting minor facts wrong in the first minute of the video, they're likely getting major stuff wrong for the remaining 2:59. And if you bring up a "they're just stretching the truth to make a point" idea, I will smack the whackjob out of you.
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Danny0990 and Raymond2007 in conjunction, both accounts posting exclusively in this thread, and opposed primarily by "the poster formerly known as Danny" Evans and Ray? Consider me a spoilsport or quite oblivious, but something seems oddly coincidental here...
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Dear Lord, I would never lower myself to that. But, happy I'm not the only one seeing it.
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It's a conspiracy to discredit us I say!
seriously though, it's not me
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Clearly. We all know it would have been Rachel.It's a conspiracy to discredit us I say!
seriously though, it's not me
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Already checked. And needless to say, I was very disappointed.
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Yeah, people really are that dumb. :/
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That's just what the government wants us to think!
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And the amount of proof is substantial. It just might be true!
its been a good year and a half since i had a discussion about this with somebody, and now i remember why.
so why did i even bother in the first place? i like discussions
you're either too lazy, not smart enough, or afraid to watch the video, thats fine, but until you've opened your mind to all the grey areas then i suggest you not debate in the near future
no, i dont wear a tin foiled hat, i only find all that information too "coincidental" to be false.
and again, giving half-assed answers only screams "stupid teenagers"
yes, ive watched that video atleast twice and probly will watch again tonight (a year and a half since i last watched) if somebody else decides to watch it and have a discussion with me.
no, i dont base all my information off of that video, i like to research and prove others wrong and vice versa
finally, i wont be posting in this thread again unless somebody has bothered to watch the video. why? because im not in the mood to teach the ignorant, and i apologize if i come across as though im belittling everybody in this thread.
yours truly,
-Dan the Dentist
P.S - ill be more active in this forum so making enemies isn't my top priority
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I won't believe it until someone produces a poorly edited video of it.
Please, find another topic and have discussions here. That, above all is encouraged
Also, I am betting I have kids older than you.
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Not one reply from you that wasn't a video or assumptions pulled from it (probably your ass as well). Now that you've realizes you can't formulate any clever reply, you run away?
Dare I say LOL?
Pot. Kettle. Black.and again, giving half-assed answers only screams "stupid teenagers"
Wise up, you cretin.
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No sir, the problem is that you refuse to acknowledge anyone who disagrees with you and simply choose to resort to childish namecalling and attempts at referencing further material that does nothing to argue against earlier arguments.
As seen here:
And while my first response was far from intelligent, I figured it was a good chuckle and a way to make light of how rediculous a lot of theories are. But you wanted a discussion, and I tried to give it to you, as others did.
After this accusation was made:
We started to take things abit more seriously as evidenced by cosmic's post:You people are exactly the reason all this is happening because you all have your heads up your asses.
The day will come when you'll know I'm right, but you know what?..
You won't have the opportunity to tell anyone about it because you'll be dead.
Now where is your explaination as to the governments sudden inability to hide the truth whereas they were able to pull off one of the biggest scams in history IN PLAIN SIGHT (pardon the pun)If the US government was able to covertly destroy two of the most recognisable buildings in the world and pull the wool over our eyes for six years, don't you think they'd be able to stop "the truth" from spreading via Google Video? Seriously, have you not heard of press leaks or something? In this day and age it would be nigh-on impossible to keep something of that magnitude under wraps for so long. Unless... oh man, unless they want us to believe they're imperfect, thus absolving them of any suspicion... :O
Mistral even linked you to further reading on this topic that you appear to have refused to read
Yet you expect us to watch any video you link?Heh...this is mostly what happens when you don't take a look back and realize we've done this about several times already. Ya know, though, I think I'll humour you a bit and run the search for you, even if I won't take you seriously enough to actually run with my usual...method.
9/11 conspiracy, massive website of allegations, October 2005
9/11 conspiracy, Pentagon-specific, November 2005
I'm pretty sure we had one more in 2006 before I left, but we lost all of that year in the wipe.
You COMPLETELY IGNORED hypnos concise and well expressed argument
Not to mention my yawn inducing post hereAllright then. Explain the existence of us Non-US people who don't watch US news, don't like the government much (US or non-US, I'm not overly fond of either), understand the science and still don't buy your conspiracy theory.
And instead chose to talk about something else and link another video:
I believe you conspiracy folks call that "misdirection". Although this was horribly executed. Perhaps G dubya can teach you the proper method?For you kids that believe the government knew about it but did nothing, learn this: They did do SOMETHING. Bush signed order W199-EYE in early 2001 taking the FBI off the Bin Laden investigation. At the same time, Mr. Osama was being treated in an American hospital in Dubai while meeting with CIA agents.
They didn't do it? So how come for the first time in NORAD's history, power was taken away from generals and given directly to the vice-president Dick Cheyney? Might I add that in June 2001, Cheyney signed an order preventing NORAD from being able to shoot down hijacked aircrafts? NORAD recently released 30 hours of tape from 9/11 and you can hear them telling saying that they have no permission to shoot down the aircrafts and to "try and divert the aircraft because we are negative to engage"
How about the blast points on the towers? How about the engineers of the towers saying they engineered them to take MULTIPLE commercial aircrafts and still stand. How about fire fighters and janitors saying they heard explosions ? It was clearly a controled demolition that takes days to set up.
And building 7? According to the official story it collapsed from fire when if you watch the video, you can see the most perfect controlled demolition, and Larry Silverstine admiting them "pulling it"
And how about 7 of the supposed hijackers being found alive in the middle east and giving BBC interviews? Pakistani ISI Chief Gen. Ahmad orders an aide to wire transfer $100,000 to Mohammed Atta who was, according to the FBI, the lead terrorist in the suicide hijackings.
While Marvin Bush was head of security on the World Trade center on 9/11 (his last day coincidentaly), his daddy, Bush Senior was at the Ritz Carlton with the head of the Bin Laden family, who was flown out to Saudi Arabia 3 days after the attack with another 160 members of the Bin Laden family.
Now if you think "Oh the governent would never do something like this." then read operation northwoods (link below- you need acrobat reader to view it ) http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/northwoods.pdf
If the governement has nothing to hide, why don't they reopen an investigation and let honest people run it? After an orgy of evidence, "The terrorists did it" seems like the conspiracy theory to me. Especialy considering the fact that Bin Laden was trained by the CIA in the early 70's and he was code named Tim Osman.
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Evans response was ignored because you felt it was "too short and simple" despite the fact that it was an argument against your theory
A statement calling into question the necessity of explosives needed to collapse the building made by cosmic was ignoredSpend more money to achieve what, again?
You attempted to answer evans post, yet you did NOTHING to actually answer it. Hell were it not for the quote I wouldn't even know you were both talking about the same thingPeople seem to be forgetting that even though steel doesn't melt until it reaches around 1400 degrees celsius, it does start to weaken significiantly at lower temperatures. Jet fuel has been known to burn at anywhere between 250 and 1000 degrees celsius - in extreme cases that's certainly enough to cause a building's steel structural supports to lose their integrity and start to buckle, and that's even if you don't take into account the effects of a heavy, fast-moving, object crashing into its side. The towers were probably designed to be aircraft proof, yes, but it's not like that theory could be tested. Also keep in mind the advancements that have been made in aviation since the WTC was originally built. We're talking about different eras here.
My post questioning how northwoods fits into a 9/11 conspiracy was totally ignoredwhat better way to control a mass population then striking fear into their hearts, how else do you think bush won his 2nd election, and now over half the population regrets it.
You completely ignored evans postThe only thing that's out there is more conspiracy nuts.
Oh, and cancelled plan documents mean nothing.
Especially when the plan detailed an idea where there were NO CIVILIAN CASUALTIES.
Yeah, funny how that works.
Now if you were using this to explain the Iraq war and the misinformation and so on surrounding it, I'd buy it.
But a plan to stage a few terror attacks where nobody really gets killed in order to invade cuba is far removed from killing thousands to do the same to afghanistan.
All without someone somewhere along the lines talking or saying "no", as was the case with northwoods.
You refused to acknowledge my post, and my challenge of an alternative bomb theoryPeople voted Bush in merely because they're stupid, nothing else. Never underestimate idiocy. Never. An attempt towards his own people was NOT necessary for his return to the throne. Any other politician would have benefited from such an event had they said that retaliation would be swift and undeniable, which is pretty much what the Republican party and its heads implied would happen was Bush to be reelected. Lo and behold, he was placed back into office, and what happened afterwards is history. Whether or not you can come up with an explanation as to why and how 9/11 happened, it's still not believable that a few thousand people had to die for men to get a tad bit richer. Like I said, other means would have achieved just the same.
Also, if anything could be proven and used to demonstrate how the White House bombed its own people, I'm sure it would spread like wildfire and the last place I'd take it as credible would be the emulation forum I daily visit. Come on, now, get us either good empirical data or scientifically verified information, then we'll see. Until then, you're just another conspiracy theorist bred by the infected bowels of the internet. A word of wisdom would be that you stop believing every other clip you see on the net. Need you be reminded that EVERYONE has to gain, no matter which side of the fence they're on?
And instead chose to link another redundant video.The government doesn't release documents stating that they didn't do 9/11 and listing reasons why.
People don't make videos explaining why 9/11 was caused by terrorists.
If you want us to beleive you, give us definite irrefutable proof and a good argument.
Also for most of your big assed post I reference you to my big ass post earlier in this thread. Explain how I came up with alternate theories and explainations for damn near everything you said.
Also, a bomb doesn't necessarily mean that the feds did it.
Going by the "official story", Osama snuck a bunch of dudes into the US, trained them at american schools using false ID's, and taught them to sneak onto and eventually hijack planes, then fly them into buildings.
He's clearly thought the plan through.
What's to say he didn't have a backup plan. Say, a couple tourists or dudes working at the towers hiding bombs in briefcases? It would explain why nobody mentioned seeing demo equipment, as you wouldn't need to run wiring through the building (yes, timed explosives are a possibility, but hardly synchronized well enough to pull a blast of that scale adequately). It's not like people didn't get bombs in there before.. It'd also be hard to make sure that terrorists inside detonated due to the fact that the corpses would've been pretty freakin' mangled by the time anyone found them, and it's not like people were inspecting EVERY INDIVIDUAL PEICE FOR EXPLOSIVE EQUIPMENT.
There, a theory that explains the supposed presence of "explosives/explosions" that stll doesn't say the US was behind it. Prove I'm wrong in assuming that terrorists could've been the ones detonating the explosives and I'll take the time to prove that the government didn't detonate the explosives.
Alright, if you supposedly love to discuss the topic and have researched it half as much as you claim, why are you ignoring everyone that attempts to engage you in discussion? And why are all of your arguments links to videos? I'd prefer a shorter video or something you wrote or a link to a concise document, not another incredibly long documentary, which even if I chose to talk about you will likely ignore my response or opinions of it in favor of a reregistration, another link, and an attempt at changing to topic slightly.http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...61537770214767
watch that please it covers alot about the "conspiracy".
watch it with an open non-biased mind, then feel free to point out any errors in the "conspiracy"
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