Naruto Discussions (Anime only!)

[josh1122]

i skipped the whole sasori ''bad childhood'' scenes, tired of those type of scenes,they're overly used in naruto

[Mikey]

i skipped the whole sasori ''bad childhood'' scenes, tired of those type of scenes,they're overly used in naruto

Yeah. Seems every person has to have had some sort of terrible childhood.

[Lee]

Yeah. Seems every person has to have had some sort of terrible childhood.

nope kakashi had an incredibly joyful and fun childhood

unless you count his best friend dying and giving him a sharringan eye...

What do you mean by 1st tier ? anyway Lee was able to kick sauske because sasuke was not up tp shape PHYSICALLY , his sharingan has nothing to do with it.



for taijutsu if the ninja is faster than sasuke , sasuke will be able to see it but can not do anything about it (like Lee ) , as for Gen and Nin it depends on the level of the jutsu , and your argument would work for some one like Itachi who is genrations stronger than Sasuke , the one who stopped the Chidori and countered Kurenai’s Genjutsu but not Sasuke.

no he could NOT see lee...

lee was too fast, but then again, he said somthing to the effect that naruto was moving as fast aas lee but he could see him with the 2nd tier (3 little curly things on the eye instead of 2) sharringan...

Sasuke can dodge much easier if he knows what someone is going to do before they do...

The Sharringan can see through almost all genjutsu, thats why kakashi only uses his sharringan eye when fighting itachi.

The sharringan can also see fast hand sign movement very slowly, and all you have to do is know what the jutsu does, avoid it, watch for an opening, and strike...

so in essence the first sharringan isnt bad, the 2nd one is teh Über H4X

[Mikey]

Sasuke can dodge much easier if he knows what someone is going to do before they do...

Sasuke isn't psychic. He can see things clearly and a bit slowly WHILE they happen. Not before they happen.

The Sharringan can see through almost all genjutsu, thats why kakashi only uses his sharringan eye when fighting itachi.

You're thinking about Byakugan, which can see through genjutsu. If the Sharingan can see through genjutsu, then Sasuke would never have fallen prey to the genjutsu Itachi used on him.

The sharringan can also see fast hand sign movement very slowly, and all you have to do is know what the jutsu does, avoid it, watch for an opening, and strike...

Yup.

[Kazekage Gaara]

Sasuke isn't psychic. He can see things clearly and a bit slowly WHILE they happen. Not before they happen.

Totally agree with that and if you're getting confused about this just coz Kakashi said "I can see the future" while fighting Zabusa, then you're totally mistaken coz he can't see the future. He just bluffed to make Zabusa more mad

You're thinking about Byakugan, which can see through genjutsu. If the Sharingan can see through genjutsu, then Sasuke would never have fallen prey to the genjutsu Itachi used on him.

Dude, you're so wrong at that. Sharingan CAN SEE THROUGH GENJUTSU otherwise Itachi would've never been able to see through all the genjutsus of Kurenai when Itachi and Kisame went in Konoha in search of Naruto

Oh and when you said Sasuke got trapped in Itachi's genjutsu, are you referring to when he trapped him in another dimension using his MS ??

[Mikey]

Dude, you're so wrong at that. Sharingan CAN SEE THROUGH GENJUTSU otherwise Itachi would've never been able to see through all the genjutsus of Kurenai when Itachi and Kisame went in Konoha in search of Naruto

It was never stated that Sharingan can see through any genjutsu. For an Uchiha, it shouldn't be hard to spot a genjutsu attempt, and hers was very weak, so Naturally, he was able to easily counter it. But that doesn't mean he can see through genjutsu. Sharingan users weren't ever mentioned to be able to do that.

Oh and when you said Sasuke got trapped in Itachi's genjutsu, are you referring to when he trapped him in another dimension using his MS ??

Yes. It was one of MS's genjutsu's.

[Kazekage Gaara]

It was never stated that Sharingan can see through any genjutsu. For an Uchiha, it shouldn't be hard to spot a genjutsu attempt, and hers was very weak, so Naturally, he was able to easily counter it. But that doesn't mean he can see through genjutsu. Sharingan users weren't ever mentioned to be able to do that.

Hmm...you do have a point here. I'll have to do some research on this

Yes. It was one of MS's genjutsu's.

Okay, now reading your post above, I've got some research to do but earlier I had thought if you were going to say MS, then I would've said that MS is at a much higher level for any sharingan to see through it or evade it. Its like MS overpowering the normal Sharingan coz its at a much higher level.

Same thing goes with Kakashi's MS vs Itachi's MS. I still think that Itachi's MS was much more powerful than Kakashi's and since Kakashi wasn't an actual Uchiha, wherein Itachi mentioning he doesn't have the Uchiha blood, that is why he was not able to counter/see through his MS in their fight in Konoha, again a powerful MS overpowering a less powerful MS

Nevertheless, as I said, I shall research on the internet and on Mangahelpers and will be back with the results

[TaTa X2]

no he could NOT see lee...

Thats the first time he got kicked , the seconed one he used the sharingan and could not block it , because lee is physically stronger and faster , you can watch it again if you have that episode on your HDD , its episode 22 ...

hell , i’ll post all of lee’s lines after he kicked Sasuke with the sharingan :

" I hear that the sharingan has the ability to see through illusionary, hand-to-hand ,and ninja techniques"

"You can definitely see through and deal with illusionaryand ninja techniques that require forming seals and kneading chakara ..."

" But for hand-to-hand combat its a little different "

" Even if you can see my movement with your sharingan , your body does not have the speed to keep up with mine"

Thats what im trying to say in my post about sharingan and Taijutsu .

lee was too fast, but then again, he said somthing to the effect that naruto was moving as fast aas lee but he could see him with the 2nd tier (3 little curly things on the eye instead of 2) sharringan...

Sasuke can dodge much easier if he knows what someone is going to do before they do...

The Sharringan can see through almost all genjutsu, thats why kakashi only uses his sharringan eye when fighting itachi.

The sharringan can also see fast hand sign movement very slowly, and all you have to do is know what the jutsu does, avoid it, watch for an opening, and strike...

so in essence the first sharringan isnt bad, the 2nd one is teh Über H4X

yeah , but it does not make an uchiha un-defeatable shinobi , even as a genins , which is my point in my previous post.

It was never stated that Sharingan can see through any genjutsu. For an Uchiha, it shouldn't be hard to spot a genjutsu attempt, and hers was very weak, so Naturally, he was able to easily counter it. But that doesn't mean he can see through genjutsu. Sharingan users weren't ever mentioned to be able to do that.

I agree with Mikey on this one , i remember Itachi saying to Kurenai " A genjutsu of this level will not work on me" , so yeah i think for the Genjutsu it depened on how powerful it is , but Itachi is so freaking powerful that nothing will work on him .

[Lee]

Sasuke isn't psychic. He can see things clearly and a bit slowly WHILE they happen. Not before they happen.

You're thinking about Byakugan, which can see through genjutsu. If the Sharingan can see through genjutsu, then Sasuke would never have fallen prey to the genjutsu Itachi used on him.

Yup.

in the sasuke/naruto fight he said he could see naruto's next move clearly -.-

okay, i meant a reasonable level of gen, not itachi's gen, which on a scale of 1-10 is like a 47...

It was never stated that Sharingan can see through any genjutsu. For an Uchiha, it shouldn't be hard to spot a genjutsu attempt, and hers was very weak, so Naturally, he was able to easily counter it. But that doesn't mean he can see through genjutsu. Sharingan users weren't ever mentioned to be able to do that.

Yes. It was one of MS's genjutsu's.

Yes, but sasuke is an uchiha...

MS>Norm Sharringan, the single exception.

Same thing goes with Kakashi's MS vs Itachi's MS. I still think that Itachi's MS was much more powerful than Kakashi's and since Kakashi wasn't an actual Uchiha, wherein Itachi mentioning he doesn't have the Uchiha blood, that is why he was not able to counter/see through his MS in their fight in Konoha, again a powerful MS overpowering a less powerful MS

Kakashi did not have(or atleast didnt use) MS at that point in time.

Thats the first time he got kicked , the seconed one he used the sharingan and could not block it , because lee is physically stronger and faster , you can watch it again if you have that episode on your HDD , its episode 22 ...

hell , i’ll post all of lee’s lines after he kicked Sasuke with the sharingan :

" I hear that the sharingan has the ability to see through illusionary, hand-to-hand ,and ninja techniques"

"You can definitely see through and deal with illusionaryand ninja techniques that require forming seals and kneading chakara ..."

" But for hand-to-hand combat its a little different "

" Even if you can see my movement with your sharingan , your body does not have the speed to keep up with mine"

Thats what im trying to say in my post about sharingan and Taijutsu .



yeah , but it does not make an uchiha un-defeatable shinobi , even as a genins , which is my point in my previous post.

Again mate, Tier1 sharringan, tier 2 sharringan, way more hax...

Sasuke at that point in time(sasuke/naruto fight) sasuke DID have the speed to deal with lee.


as a final note, i think sasuke in that fight would have been physically dead before he went CS2... -.-

[Kazekage Gaara]

Kakashi did not have(or atleast didnt use) MS at that point in time.

Umm...yes he did. His MS was activated when he was fighting Itachi. Its just that he didn't use it. His MS was active when he fell into Itachi's Tsukuyomi

[Lee]

Umm...yes he did. His MS was activated when he was fighting Itachi. Its just that he didn't use it. His MS was active when he fell into Itachi's Tsukuyomi

i was truly not aware that he had MS at that point in time...

episode #?

im to lazy to wiki/manually look for it -.-

[Rage]

ok seems you people are gettin abit messed up with the Mangekyou Sharingan.

That Sharingan type is stronger then the normal Sharingan that's why both Sasuke and Kakashi fell into his genjutsu. As been told on those MANY flashbacks of Sasuke over and over again I really hated those flashbacks. Mangekyou Sharingan was a sort Evolved form of the Sharingan.

Also the Sasuke versus Rock Lee stuff. Rock Lee clearly said this. "My moves aren't Genjutsu nor Ninjutsu." and "You may see my moves but if your body cant catch up with it it's no use." As which Sasuke only had 2 of the sharingan wheel thingy and he missed out the third for Taijutsu which he learned when fighting Naruto at the Valley of the End.

Thank you.

[TaTa X2]

Umm...yes he did. His MS was activated when he was fighting Itachi. Its just that he didn't use it. His MS was active when he fell into Itachi's Tsukuyomi

Sorry , call me stupid , but don’t you need to kill your closeest friend to get MS , how did he get it? or illegally gotten sharingan does not follow that rule ?

or is it in the manga like how he got the sharingan in the first place?

[Lee]

ok seems you people are gettin abit messed up with the Mangekyou Sharingan.

That Sharingan type is stronger then the normal Sharingan that's why both Sasuke and Kakashi fell into his genjutsu. As been told on those MANY flashbacks of Sasuke over and over again I really hated those flashbacks. Mangekyou Sharingan was a sort Evolved form of the Sharingan.

Also the Sasuke versus Rock Lee stuff. Rock Lee clearly said this. "My moves aren't Genjutsu nor Ninjutsu." and "You may see my moves but if your body cant catch up with it it's no use." As which Sasuke only had 2 of the sharingan wheel thingy and he missed out the third for Taijutsu which he learned when fighting Naruto at the Valley of the End.

Thank you.

yes, exactly what i was trying to say, there is no way kakashi had his Mangekyou sharringan when he was fighting itachi in konoha, because if he were awesome enough to get a MS, then he would have been able to put up a bit more of a fight against iachi's genjutsu.

[Mikey]

Sorry , call me stupid , but don’t you need to kill your closeest friend to get MS , how did he get it? or illegally gotten sharingan does not follow that rule ?

or is it in the manga like how he got the sharingan in the first place?

I think Itachi fed Sasuke that bull for whatever reasons. That's not the case since Kakashi got his Mangekyou Sharingan without killing his best friend. As I'm also going to guess that Sasuke will get his somehow without killing Naruto.

yes, exactly what i was trying to say, there is no way kakashi had his Mangekyou sharringan when he was fighting itachi in konoha, because if he were awesome enough to get a MS, then he would have been able to put up a bit more of a fight against iachi's genjutsu.

You guys are talking about when Kakashi got between Itachi/Kisame and Kurenai/Asuma? If so, I...don't think he has MS at that time. I may be wrong, but I really doubt he had it. Otherwise, Kakashi would have equalled out Itachi's MS. I remember some where it said that only a Sharingan/MS user would be the one to defeat Itachi. If Kakashi had it at that point in time, he wouldn't have been royally owned by Itachi.