The Gare and Elin Translate It Out: keikaku means plan

[Gypsy]

GC compatibility or other reasons?

Was gonna hack it, then couldn't be arsed. Also yeah, I wanted to play through Fire Emblem PoR and RD and wanted to use my save data and shit.

[Gypsy]

Dear god...the things I fap to...

[gezegond]

Because when I started emulating I was 14 years old without a job and wanted to play the games I remembered when I was a kid.

Then I got a job and money, so I started buying games.

I come here because it's a gaming website, not because it's an emulation website. I'm very rarely in the emulation section, and if I am it's because someone linked me to a butthurt user raging about entitlement.

Though I prefer to play on real hardware when possible, some consoles never made way into my country (such as N64) and some are extremely rare (like Saturn), so if not for emulation I would miss out on a lot of games.

There's also the portable factor. PS1 games on my phone? Yes please.

[gezegond]

Dear god...the things I fap to...

Watcha fappin to?

[Gypsy]

Some consoles never made way into my country (such as N64) and some are extremely rare (like Saturn), so if not for emulation I would miss out on a lot of games.

There's also the portable factor. PS1 games on my phone? Yes please.

I don't blame people in third world countries at all.

[Drageuth]

I am hax0r 1337 emulation man and I am offended by your lack of emulation appreciation.

I have a very odd stance with emulation. In my opinion, we shouldn't emulate games that we can still easily purchase (similar to the site's stance on abandonware). The abandonware stance has been run pretty much obsolete by sites like GOG.com and programs like Steam, where you can buy pretty much any older title for pennies. I also have something against people who emulate older games that they can purchase via PSN/XBLA/WiiWare. That pretty much covers most (not all) of the classic Playstation games and a bunch of old arcade games, and a growing selection of classic NES and SNES titles. I absolutely hate people who exclusively pirate the current gen of games, because those games are right there for you to purchase on store shelves right now. If you can't afford it at release, then wait around for a while for the price of the game to drop, or try and trade in some games you don't play, or something, but there's no excuse for you.

The only aspect of emulation that is okay in my eyes is if you can no longer purchase the game from store shelves (Amazon, brick & mortar stores, PSN/XBLA/WiiWare, etc... eBay doesn't count for this argument) or the game was never made available in your region for some stupid reason. In that case, emulate away.

Spoiler warning:

This argument is somewhat disingenuous if you take all aspects of the word "video game" and replace them with "movies." I have no problem pirating movies, music, or TV shows, but have a very particular stance against video game piracy and emulation. Cognitive dissonance at its finance.

[Drageuth]

Yeah that's definitely a bigger factor for you. I wanted an older model so I couldn't get one new.

I don't really care what model I get, as long as I don't make the mistake of buying a WiiMini. Even I think they're ugly, and I have horrible taste in aesthetics.

Though I prefer to play on real hardware when possible, some consoles never made way into my country (such as N64) and some are extremely rare (like Saturn), so if not for emulation I would miss out on a lot of games.

There's also the portable factor. PS1 games on my phone? Yes please.

I don't blame people in third world countries at all.

If I recall, that's the reason MasJ started this site, and is a totally legit reason to emulate.

[gezegond]

I have a very odd stance with emulation. In my opinion, we shouldn't emulate games that we can still easily purchase (similar to the site's stance on abandonware). The abandonware stance has been run pretty much obsolete by sites like GOG.com and programs like Steam, where you can buy pretty much any older title for pennies. I also have something against people who emulate older games that they can purchase via PSN/XBLA/WiiWare. That pretty much covers most (not all) of the classic Playstation games and a bunch of old arcade games, and a growing selection of classic NES and SNES titles. I absolutely hate people who exclusively pirate the current gen of games, because those games are right there for you to purchase on store shelves right now. If you can't afford it at release, then wait around for a while for the price of the game to drop, or try and trade in some games you don't play, or something, but there's no excuse for you.

The only aspect of emulation that is okay in my eyes is if you can no longer purchase the game from store shelves (Amazon, brick & mortar stores, PSN/XBLA/WiiWare, etc... eBay doesn't count for this argument) or the game was never made available in your region for some stupid reason. In that case, emulate away.

Spoiler warning:

This argument is somewhat disingenuous if you take all aspects of the word "video game" and replace them with "movies." I have no problem pirating movies, music, or TV shows, but have a very particular stance against video game piracy and emulation. Cognitive dissonance at its finance.

The "don't fuck developers" theory's got nothing to do with emulation. I'm sick of people who pair emulation with piracy. (No offense intended) If you've got a good PC you can emulate Wii and still get genuine games to emulate. Emulation prevents games from dying into obscurity. I pretty much hate WiiWare because of Nintendo's stance on emulation. (It's okay if you do it on our device, otherwise you're bad bad boy). I would prefer to buy original cartridges and then emulating them on PC rather than getting them on wiiware.

Though all of that is pointless since they don't sell any original games where I live. Everything is pirated. The only not pirated games I have are some that I bought when I had traveled to other countries. (And some my brother got me who lives in uk)

EDIT: besides, for a lot of retro games, the original developers have either retired or moved to other companies, so your money won't be going to the devs if you purchase them. You're just paying because copyright law is fucked up.

[gezegond]

Where did I put that damn book?

btw do you guys have any tips for staying awake when you're sleepy?

[Drageuth]

The "don't fuck developers" theory's got nothing to do with emulation. I'm sick of people who pair emulation with piracy. (No offense intended) If you've got a good PC you can emulate Wii and still get genuine games to emulate. Emulation prevents games from dying into obscurity. I pretty much hate WiiWare because of Nintendo's stance on emulation. (It's okay if you do it on our device, otherwise you're bad bad boy). I would prefer to buy original cartridges and then emulating them on PC rather than getting them on wiiware.

Though all of that is pointless since they don't sell any original games where I live. Everything is pirated. The only not pirated games I have are some that I bought when I had traveled to other countries. (And some my brother got me who lives in uk)

The people who emulate so that they don't ruin their own game is such a minuscule section of the emulation community that I don't factor them into anything. Really, I have no problem with emulation at all, as long as the person continues to buy games. Nintendo is well within their rights to say "that copy of our game out there is illegal based on copyright law, take it down." I don't fault them for that. And while some games may be relegated to obscurity, that's the nature of any generated medium. It's a shame, but does everything need to be perfectly preserved? Is the world somehow a better place because that copy of Bubble Bath Babes is still floating around in the internet somewhere?

And I agree with Nintendo's stance on emulation, at least as you've presented it. Nintendo is allowed to at least try and relegate how their games are put out into the market, and if they're going to be offering some of their classic games for people to download, why would they also allow people to freely download those games on the Internet and not try and reap some of the benefit of it? In my eyes, they are listening to the people who emulate by saying "hey, we want to play these old games, and we can't because they aren't available anymore" and they're going "okay, here, they're available." From what I've seen, Nintendo is pretty lenient when it comes to emulation -- they have an official company stance, and they make a token gesture at trying to protect their property, but they know (or must know) that they can't stop it.

I will never disagree with a company trying to protect their products. I feel it's one of the reasons Nintendo has succeeded all these years when most other companies have failed.

[Drageuth]

Where did I put that damn book?

btw do you guys have any tips for staying awake when you're sleepy?

1) Don't read
2) Don't watch TV
3) Keep moving
4) Drink coffee
5) Meth

[Drageuth]

Also, what is this thing and why am I only being made aware of it now?! Can't find it on any of my sites, anyways. Might have to bite the bullet and order that -- it would make a great gift for kiddo, and I wanted to start getting into the Skylander games anyways.

[gezegond]

Is the world somehow a better place because that copy of Bubble Bath Babes is still floating around in the internet somewhere?.

Yes. Definitely yes. Think for a moment, what would mankind do without Bubble Bath Babes?

And while some games may be relegated to obscurity, that's the nature of any generated medium. It's a shame, but does everything need to be perfectly preserved?

When we CAN preserve them, why shouldn't we?

And I agree with Nintendo's stance on emulation, at least as you've presented it. Nintendo is allowed to at least try and relegate how their games are put out into the market, and if they're going to be offering some of their classic games for people to download, why would they also allow people to freely download those games on the Internet and not try and reap some of the benefit of it? In my eyes, they are listening to the people who emulate by saying "hey, we want to play these old games, and we can't because they aren't available anymore" and they're going "okay, here, they're available." From what I've seen, Nintendo is pretty lenient when it comes to emulation -- they have an official company stance, and they make a token gesture at trying to protect their property, but they know (or must know) that they can't stop it.

Unless you DO own them. For instance, if you own SMB for NES, Nintendo's stance is that you have to buy it again for Wii if your original NES console is not working anymore. Now that alone wouldn't hurt much, but they outright lie about how playing it on emulators is illegal when it's 100% not. So they lie to people so they would get them to buy what they already have.

Yeah it's good business, it's keeping them alive. But it would also be good business for them to barge into your property and take what they want. It's profitable, yet not acceptable. I think Nintendo's stance is profitable for them, but not acceptable for me. (or any other human being who's not part of Nintendo)

[gezegond]

1) Don't read

But I'm reading LOTR.

4) Drink coffee

[Gypsy]

Fapped too much, I think I broke something.