Yet Another Hang Out: Rasgrez loves big thick pickles.

[Wyrm]

Fuck you Comcast ass holes.

My internet is free.

[Spose']

They could, in theory. But it's a lot of data to wade through. Trying to process a couple thousand versus a couple million is much more complicated.

And it's illegal.

So there's that.



Several channels do. Many channels these days operate streaming websites on their home page which has ad-supported streaming. Usually much fewer ads than you'd get on television too.

Unless you have adblock, then it's ad free.

I am a monster.

That aside, sites like crunchyroll aren't really supporting the industry. Your money doesn't go to the networks, it goes to crunchyroll. Who then spend the money on crunchyroll and/or its staff. You're not supporting the industry any more than the guy who pays for premium rapidshare accounts.

Unless that's changed and they went legit at some point. In which case, disregard that.

regarding crunchyroll they seem to be more legitimate about it now sharing a percentage with the production team or who the fuck ever gets paid for the rights to the series(Kind of like youtube in a way i would imagine) . Which is why they are aloud to post the most popular anime online 1 hour after streaming with subs and not have to worry about any legal issues or so i've read somewhere. But as with the internet you never know what has been twisted and fabricated even by the leading news teams ect.

[Sprung]

They could, in theory. But it's a lot of data to wade through. Trying to process a couple thousand versus a couple million is much more complicated.

And it's illegal.

So there's that.

I do know they monitor my channel usage, because they only charge you for a pay per view movie if you actually watch it. And they know if you don't.
And it's Comcast. They aren't known for following laws.

So the buggy has 1 horsepower?

Actually, yes.

[Sprung]

Fuck you Comcast ass holes.

My internet is free.

I would gladly take 5Mb/s for free

[Spose']

I would gladly take 5Mb/s for free

Plus that could be just what is was temporarily unless he ran it though the testing multiple times. Like i did what i posted was my average although i peeked 20Mb/s 3/20 times.

[Raype]

This may sound stupid since it seems you know a lot about this subject but,

Wouldn't that not just be for the beggining? Wouldn't the constant viewer count maybe a month after that data is released to the advertising companies, not to mention the huge amounts of people whom wrote in and gave there opinion about bringing it back also bring in reasons? Because in my view that might be a starter but once for say you have the average viewer for that show released would that not also be another factor that would be important after that? Or is Nielson the only real factor?

That it would, which is why ratings corporations frequently operate several surveys simultaneously. When the networks say the "ratings are in", that just means one of the surveys going on has closed or has simply passed a point where data is collected. There's probably 4-5 different survey groups going right now in various stages of completion. There's also more than one company handling ratings and some major networks even operate their own, frequently bundled it with its "test audience" markets. Nielson just happens to be the "king" of the ratings game and happens to be the one advertisers pay most attention to. Which is why the all important ratings are often erroneously called "Nielson ratings", even though sometimes they're simply ratings taken from test audiences or something similar and aren't the actual "Nielson ratings" that determine ad revenue. I might be mistaken but I believe that a new survey ends approximately every month with a new group picked up in its place with Nielson's model.

Viewer letters and the like are important (and have successfully gotten things back on the air before), but it could just as easily be dismissed as a vocal minority unless you're receiving exactly as many letters as you'd need viewers for the show to be profitable. And even then, if no one wants to buy ads because of a poor Nielson position previously, you might have a hard time funding it. Unless it was winning a lot of awards, but that's a whole other kettle of fish.

So in short, there's constant surveys by a bunch of different people, but in the end the people who decide what is profitable KNOW that they're the ones who make shows profitable because they have people asking about what they watch. And for the most part, they're picked out by Nielson, because that's the big one and the one ad corporations care about. A good Nielson rating = high ad revenue = profitable show. Low Nielson rating = poor ad revenue = bomb.

[TheRealSpiders]

I'm not saying that at all. That would lesson the confusion. Also, FLYING BUGGY. Plus ladybugs are pretty cute.

It's all fun and games until on mistake you for an Aphid and tries to eat you. But until then, flying buggys are a plus.

[Raype]

I do know they monitor my channel usage, because they only charge you for a pay per view movie if you actually watch it. And they know if you don't.
And it's Comcast. They aren't known for following laws.

Pay TV is one of the weird exceptions. Apparently you're voluntarily entering into some contract where they provide you X show/channel/movie and you get to watch it. A direct contract where the terms are clear. It's like the difference between having someone peeking through your windows and telling someone to look into your house if they'll give you 5 bucks.

Or something.

Laws are weird and incredibly stupid sometimes.

[Spose']

[SPOILER]That it would, which is why ratings corporations frequently operate several surveys simultaneously. When the networks say the "ratings are in", that just means one of the surveys going on has closed or has simply passed a point where data is collected. There's probably 4-5 different survey groups going right now in various stages of completion. There's also more than one company handling ratings and some major networks even operate their own, frequently bundled it with its "test audience" markets. Nielson just happens to be the "king" of the ratings game and happens to be the one advertisers pay most attention to. Which is why the all important ratings are often erroneously called "Nielson ratings", even though sometimes they're simply ratings taken from test audiences or something similar and aren't the actual "Nielson ratings" that determine ad revenue. I might be mistaken but I believe that a new survey ends approximately every month with a new group picked up in its place with Nielson's model.

Viewer letters and the like are important (and have successfully gotten things back on the air before), but it could just as easily be dismissed as a vocal minority unless you're receiving exactly as many letters as you'd need viewers for the show to be profitable. And even then, if no one wants to buy ads because of a poor Nielson position previously, you might have a hard time funding it. Unless it was winning a lot of awards, but that's a whole other kettle of fish.

So in short, there's constant surveys by a bunch of different people, but in the end the people who decide what is profitable KNOW that they're the ones who make shows profitable because they have people asking about what they watch. And for the most part, they're picked out by Nielson, because that's the big one and the one ad corporations care about. A good Nielson rating = high ad revenue = profitable show. Low Nielson rating = poor ad revenue = bomb.[SPOILER]

That makes sense. Thing about adult swim is i swear 60% of there ads are for the show that's coming on air later of there own. Which is just crazy shit to be honest. But i see how.
The people tuning in is a factor. I think it would be a nice job being one of the Nielsen test group members.

[Sprung]

Pay TV is one of the weird exceptions. Apparently you're voluntarily entering into some contract where they provide you X show/channel/movie and you get to watch it. A direct contract where the terms are clear. It's like the difference between having someone peeking through your windows and telling someone to look into your house if they'll give you 5 bucks.

Or something.

Laws are weird and incredibly stupid sometimes.

MUHFUKA WHERES MY FUKIN MONEY
/Busta

Night

[Spose']

Pay TV is one of the weird exceptions. Apparently you're voluntarily entering into some contract where they provide you X show/channel/movie and you get to watch it. A direct contract where the terms are clear. It's like the difference between having someone peeking through your windows and telling someone to look into your house if they'll give you 5 bucks.

Or something.

Laws are weird and incredibly stupid sometimes.

I personally believe that it should be okay to make rating off that as long as legal names arn't used.

But thats from the same guy who think each tv channel should just be online and you subscribe to each channel for a certain price and have very few if no ad's since you are paying for only that channel for the month. Because it is wierd that you have to pay for tv channels like spike and disney if you never plan to use them.

[Knightshade]

Spose needs to learn to EDH.

[Raype]

That makes sense. Thing about adult swim is i swear 60% of there ads are for the show that's coming on air later of there own. Which is just crazy shit to be honest. But i see how.
The people tuning in is a factor. I think it would be a nice job being one of the Nielsen test group members.

It fills up an unpopular time-slot which probably doesn't get much ad revenue anyway. Plus the shows running on it are produced for next to nothing. I highly doubt they're spending even a tenth of what the average "prime-time" show's budget is. And that's how they manage to work out fine. When you don't spend much money on making the shows, you don't need the kind of numbers required to keep a big name show on the air. And the lack of people buying up ads lets them promote the shows on AS later, making sure they hook whatever audience they happen to have. Anyone who's familiar with regional programming is very familiar with "filler ads" that exist to pad out the run time to a half hour.

It's not much of a job. A relative of mine was involved in a survey with a Canadian ratings group a few years back. My memory isn't perfect, but I believe they got like $10 a month off their cable bill while it was going on, and a grand total of $40 for 3 months of monitoring. Unfortunately, being selected isn't an excuse to quit your job and watch TV all day.

[Spose']

Spose needs to learn to EDH.

I also need to learn more java, and learn a certain foreign language for a possible future event i want to make happen.

[Jazzmarazz]

I also need to learn more java, and learn a certain foreign language for a possible future event i wan't to make happen.

You really don't get apostrophes, do you?