Yeah! like repealing don't ask don't tell, and closing corporate loopholes, and making sure you don't get denied health care because of a pre-existing conditions. He never did any of that.Originally Posted by Supreme Warrior
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Yeah! like repealing don't ask don't tell, and closing corporate loopholes, and making sure you don't get denied health care because of a pre-existing conditions. He never did any of that.
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I don't wanna turn this into a flame war, but I agree with Supreme Warrior, Obama is just as bad if not worse then Bush. His healthcare bill is an insult to american philosphy. Its amazing how degrading America has become, because of greed. If you think Obama is some sorta of super hero, well then I don't know what to say, but he's just another pile of trash like the rest of them. Anyways, back on topic, I've said this before, I really do not want this bill to pass, I've seen a lot of mixed opinions on people saying it has chances of passing and others who say it won't pass. My personal opinion is that it has a chance of passing, knowing how greedy the MPAA and RIAA are.
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Thread turns into an anti-obama thread.
Bill was proposed by a red state republican and is being pushed through a republican run congress
What the fuck am I reading?
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If it does pass by a small margin I'm hoping Obama would veto this shit.
And so it begins... http://www.extremetech.com/computing...o-protest-sopa
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Idiocy.
Obama's problem is that he's spineless, he's let the Republicans have too much power in his run. I dare say that the Republicans were better during the Bush years because they didn't have to rally the craziest people they could find for power and didn't get poisoned by their own crap spewing from their mouths.
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You have explained almost every democrat with that, lol. Democrats lack backbones and Republicans are assholes. I'd say vote for Ron Paul. On some of the issues I agree with him with, however, he wants to cut programs and federal regulations we kind of need. The Tea Party seems even more extreme than the Republican party & most of the Republicans don't like the Tea Party, and it seems like wise as well.
I'm a laid back person. If two Doods want to get hitched, then so be it, but then Republicans turn it into, "OMFG!!!!People are going to have sex with goats and trees now!!!!" It is too extreme to draw that conclusion. Like why Don't Ask Don't Tell should be x'd away with, was because during the heat of battle, gay soldiers were going to have sex with goats. It is just silly. The Democrats also say weird things as well.
Most of congress is cozy since they have been there for years. I would like almost all of them to be voted out. Bernie Sanders didn't rerun for office again, because he would actually have to rerun of office again. Meet people, do speeches, ect. So he just quit.
As for Obama, (I hope you are not taking this as an attack or anything, because it isn't) I think he is doing a better job than what McCain would have. I doubt Don't Ask Don't Tell would have gotten repealed if he was in the office for example.
As for SOPA, it seems some companies are pussy footing it. Companies that support it, Sony, Nintendo & Electric Arts, voiced that they want it, but haven't signed an official statement/letter.
Our unenthusiastic half-props for decoupling themselves from SOPA may have been a little premature as, according to Techdirt, the companies in question were never on the SOPA supporter list in the first place. An older list of supporters posted on Scribd includes Go Daddy and a number of law firms which demanded their names be removed in December. Notably absent, however, are Sony, Nintendo and Electronic Arts.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...upport-UPDATED
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If that bill passes.. wouldn't anonymous fight it? xP
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The unconscious brutes who hope to control the internet have already become enslaved by its matrix.
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I bet they would go after the supports too. Looks like Sony is going to get hacked, yet again, lol.
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read your own quote lizard those companies have never officially supported SOPA and never will due to fear of the backlash sure those companies have drm and dmca and would openly support it if they could without getting the backlash like GO DADDY did but with fear of backlash they will not support this bill openly so with no official support of SOPA and unless they can prove it was supported by these companies anon has no reason to go after them.
and as to gypsys post about google and such sites temp shutting down I welcome it yes I will miss the sites for the short time they are down but if done properly do you have any idea at the sheer volume of calls congress will receive about not passing SOPA it will get far more attention and public out cry then our inane ramblings here or on other sites (facebook twitter Etc.) ever will.
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity ignorant people can be taught
stupid people need to be shot.
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Man it's a good thing it's so easy to launch any old object into orbit.Nah, they'll just start their own space program.
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You mean by giving the banksters everything they wanted and then blocking their regulation??
What loopholes do you believe he closed? It never happened, you just heard it on the fake TV news.
Which doesn't even kick in until some years from now, and which the insurance companies will find loopholes to deny you anyway.and making sure you don't get denied health care because of a pre-existing conditions.
You know why Obamacare was really done? All you have to do is who directly benefits from it, and not in theory such as people and pre-existing conditions. All Obama did is force the buying of insurance from the same private monopolies, which have no reason to not gouge prices and find loopholes to deny coverage.
No, he didn't. You just heard of it on TV.He never did any of that.
The things Obama has actually did, these are among them:
- Appointed Tim Geithner, one of the main wall street criminals, to be a watchdog for wall street crime.
- Made record deals with drug companies which will only give them profits
- Blocked true regulation to prevent the 2008 fiasco by protecting criminal banksters; biggest example of this is blocking Elizabeth Warren from regulatory duties, because she wasn't going to play ball with the banksters.
- Committed more military to the contractor profit machine in Afghanistan towards no useful end for anyone else.
- Is being an apologist, at best, for the Keystone XL pipeline, if not a fervent supporter
- Signed and even bolstered the inception of NDAA, effectively rewriting the constitution to repeal the most basic liberties.
There is no reason to believe Obama would not sign SOPA or PIPA.
And no choices are left. They have made sure of that. Ron Paul will never be allowed to win.
They don't need to support it openly. That was godaddy's blunder.
All the big media companies support these bills. That's a fact. They don't have to do it openly. For instance, corporations are free to donate as much as they want to political campaigns, effectively buying the government. The Citizens United verdict has made sure this is easy.
We haven't and won't hear a peep out of mainstream media in the US about this. There is a blackout on SOPA and PIPA just like there is/was of Occupy Wall Street. That says it all.
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Psst, the FED runs the economy. The FED is run by banks. Not bailing them out means that within a matter of hours the country descends into anarchy when people realize they no longer have any money as their ATM receipts all read 0. Within a month America becomes the United States of China. Within 6 months the entire global economy turns itself inside out.
Worst case scenario, of course. But the best case scenario isn't a hell of a lot better.
Public law 111-226. Approximately 10 billion in loopholes closed in one piece of legislature alone.What loopholes do you believe he closed? It never happened, you just heard it on the fake TV news.
Government moves at a glacial pace. You must be new to this.Which doesn't even kick in until some years from now, and which the insurance companies will find loopholes to deny you anyway.
Because every other country in the world that switched to this method works that way.You know why Obamacare was really done? All you have to do is who directly benefits from it, and not in theory such as people and pre-existing conditions. All Obama did is force the buying of insurance from the same private monopolies, which have no reason to not gouge prices and find loopholes to deny coverage.
Found innocent. Any wrongdoing was located within a large company which he may or may not have even been involved in. What ever happened to belief in "innocent until proven guilty". Guess you're in favor of detaining this criminal despite their not being any wrongdoing. I believe this is a basic civil liberty.- Appointed Tim Geithner, one of the main wall street criminals, to be a watchdog for wall street crime.
It's called bargaining bro.- Made record deals with drug companies which will only give them profits
See: first point. You guys fucked up by putting the banks in charge in the first place.- Blocked true regulation to prevent the 2008 fiasco by protecting criminal banksters; biggest example of this is blocking Elizabeth Warren from regulatory duties, because she wasn't going to play ball with the banksters.
You want to build infrastructure with soldiers? LAWL 'kay.- Committed more military to the contractor profit machine in Afghanistan towards no useful end for anyone else.
Don't see what the problem here is. The whole country is all about the "WAREZ UR JAWBS" Can you blame the guy for giving the people what they're demanding?- Is being an apologist, at best, for the Keystone XL pipeline, if not a fervent supporter
It's really more "rewriting the bill of rights". And if that was a "basic liberty" they'd have gotten it in the first draft. It also wouldn't have been so heavily disagreed with and have taken years to catch on.- Signed and even bolstered the inception of NDAA, effectively rewriting the constitution to repeal the most basic liberties.
And even then people just found loopholes anyway.
Washington was such a shitty president guys.
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SOPA author to remove ISP blocking provision
http://www.macworld.com/article/1648...provision.html
and there's a article similar to this- http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...ing-from-sopa/The lead sponsor of the U.S. Stop Online Piracy Act, a controversial copyright enforcement bill, will remove a much-debated provision that would require Internet service providers to block their subscribers from accessing foreign websites accused of infringing the copyrights of U.S. companies.
Representative Lamar Smith, a Texas Republican, said he will remove the ISP provision from the bill, called SOPA, so that lawmakers can “further examine the issues surrounding this provision.”
Smith’s decision was prompted by discussions with industry groups “across the country,” he said in a statement. “We will continue to look for ways to ensure that foreign websites cannot sell and distribute illegal content to U.S. consumers.”
The ISP provision in SOPA allows the U.S. Department of Justice to seek court orders requiring service providers to block subscriber access to foreign sites accused by the DOJ of copyright infringement. That provision would be removed, but remaining in the bill would be provisions allowing the DOJ to seek court orders requiring search engines to remove links to sites accused of infringement and requiring online advertising networks and payment processors to stop doing business with the accused sites.
The bill would also allow domain-name registrars to block the foreign websites’ IP addresses on U.S. servers, and it would allow copyright holders to seek court orders against ad networks and payment processors.
The ISP blocking provision in SOPA could lead to cybersecurity problems as Web users attempt to bypass the blocks, opponents have said. The bill could also lead to legitimate speech being blocked, opponents have said.
Smith’s decision to remove the ISP provision in SOPA came a day after Senator Patrick Leahy, a Vermont Democrat, said he plans to amend the similar Protect IP Act, or PIPA, to take out a similar ISP provision, due to feedback from several groups. Lawmakers have heard strong opposition to the ISP provisions and other portions of SOPA and PIPA.
Meanwhile, a group of six Senate Republicans called on Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat, to delay votes on PIPA scheduled to start Jan. 24. Since the Senate Judiciary Committee unanimously approved PIPA in May, “we have increasingly heard from a large number of constituents and other stakeholders with vocal concerns about possible unintended consequences of the proposed legislation,” wrote the Republicans, all members of the committee.
Among the Republicans signing the letter were Charles Grassley of Iowa and Orrin Hatch of Utah.
The House of Representatives Judiciary Committee is due to resume a marathon session to amend SOPA after lawmakers return to Washington, D.C., later this month.
SOPA is still needed, Smith said. There is little “protection for American companies from foreign online criminals who steal and sell American goods to consumers around the world,” he said. “Congress must address the widespread problem of online theft of America’s technology and products from foreign thieves.”
Opponents of SOPA said the proposed change to SOPA isn’t enough. The changes show some progress, but bad provisions remain, said Sherwin Siy, deputy legal director of Public Knowledge, a digital rights group. PIPA still allows court orders against any business providing a directory, index, reference, pointer, or hypertext link to an alleged infringing site, he said.
“The bills are still over-broad in their reach,” he added. “Both bills still include a private right of action with few protections from abuse, meaning that sites can be killed without ever being proven to violate copyright.
The Computer and Communications Industry Association called on the sponsors of SOPA and PIPA to step back and look for new ways to combat online piracy and counterfeiting.
SOPA is “still problematic to the Internet architecture because of other blocking/filtering provisions and overly broad definitions,” said Heather Greenfield, a CCIA spokeswoman.
Representative Bob Goodlatte, a Virginia Republican and cosponsor of SOPA, applauded Smith for deciding to remove the ISP provision from the bill. “Based on extensive conversations I have had with him and with tech leaders on this issue, it has become clear that more discussion with tech industry leaders and engineers about how best to approach this issue needs to take place,” Goodlatte said in a statement.
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