The Blood-Out: Time to Freeze It then Melt it!

[Tassadar]

Mostly because the acid isn't quite acidic enough for that (complex organisms are generally more resistant to acidic and basic environments than microorganisms, but the tradeoff there is that temperatures become a bigger issue). And it'd be kind of hard to do that to the human body being that it's pretty acidic anyway (hell, our DNA is made of acid. The stuff that makes our cells? Acid. Protein? Amino Acid chains. There's a reason you're constantly leaking the stuff).

As for how the preservation works, you're pretty much right. It's hard for stuff to live in the peet, and even if it can, there's loads of other stuff to snack on with no competition. About the only bacteria involved in bog decomposition is the stuff that happens to live inside you anyway, and even that can't go nuts/thrive in some of those conditions. Worse yet if you get buried in winter, at which point your body has become a massive acid sponge before it's warm enough for the bacteria to go to town.

Generally microorganisms such as bacteria can survive anywhere, fungi not so much(although they can produce spores). Thermophiles and acidophiles so exist and some have been reported to live in temperatures as high as 110c. Thermus Aquaticus DNA polymerase was extracted from thermophilic bacteria because very few other kingdoms of organisms are as capable as surviving high temperatures like bacteria are. DNA is a very weak acid and the same holds true for amino acids, both acids by definition but nowhere near the same pKa and strength as HCL.

[Raype]

One more thing.

Best Buy lists the game in their webpage as 19.99 but he claims it was 35 when he checked.

They have different prices if you buy from the page or something?

Probably. Shops are dicks like that.

Now I see why you US people hate Gamestop.

My girlfriend's brother went to TX yesterday so I asked him if he could get me a Green Day Rock Band for the Xbox, told him it was new for 20 bucks, gave him the money.

He just got back and gave me a CD sleeve with the game, the tag on it says New.

How in the name of the fuck can that be a NEW game if they only gave him a fucking CD sleeve?

WHY THE FUCK HE DIDN'T ASK 'WHY YOU'RE NOT GIVING ME THE CASE AND THE MANUAL'?

Now I don't have the Export key, and I'm fucking angry.

FUCKING GAMESTOP.

In any event, it's for the best. It's 2011, who still likes Green Day?

[Pickles]

After you help him he's going to turf you out of his house.

/grabs coat

That was poor.

Also, does Obsidian have absolutely no intention of fixing westside? Buggiest place ever, its shameful.

[Raype]

Generally microorganisms such as bacteria can survive anywhere, fungi not so much(although they can produce spores). Thermophiles and acidophiles so exist and some have been reported to live in temperatures as high as 110c. Thermus Aquaticus DNA polymerase was extracted from thermophilic bacteria because very few other kingdoms of organisms are as capable as surviving high temperatures like bacteria are. DNA is a very weak acid and the same holds true for amino acids, both acids by definition but nowhere near the same pKa and strength as HCL.

Cold doesn't so much kill fungi as it does force a hibernation like state. And even then, outliers do exist (HELLO LICHENS!). Thermophiles tend to be a bit different than general bacteria, in that they can pull a lot of their energy requirements from their environment, instead of having to ingest energy. The bacteria that tend to live in especially harsh conditions don't exactly need us on the menu. The type that does, however, pretty much evolved to live in roughly the same climate as we did. Take that away and it does about the same thing it'd do to us. In this case, our delicious multi-cellular outer shell provides a good buffer against the harsh external conditions. For a bacteria, not so much. Not that we'd really be able to live there for a while, but in this case the person in question is already deceased.

Not that weak. It's pKa is roughly equivalent to Ammonia or Citric Acid. Certainly not HCL, but it'll still do a number on anything you pour it over. Provided you could find and extract enough to do something like that. And that's taking into account that it's an acid that naturally contains several bases. If those were removed, it could change things pretty drastically.

[Colamisu]

Keep in mind Best Buy has used games now. Are you sure the 19.99 wasn't the used price, and it's 35 new? If that's not the situation, he probably bullshitted you and pocketed the extra.

[Tassadar]

Cold doesn't so much kill fungi as it does force a hibernation like state. And even then, outliers do exist (HELLO LICHENS!). Thermophiles tend to be a bit different than general bacteria, in that they can pull a lot of their energy requirements from their environment, instead of having to ingest energy.

Although generally they don't have the ability to withstand extremes as well as bacteria and a standard temperature must be returned to in order for fungi to function properly.

The bacteria that tend to live in especially harsh conditions don't exactly need us on the menu. The type that does, however, pretty much evolved to live in roughly the same climate as we did. Take that away and it does about the same thing it'd do to us. In this case, our delicious multi-cellular outer shell provides a good buffer against the harsh external conditions. For a bacteria, not so much. Not that we'd really be able to live there for a while, but in this case the person in question is already deceased.

Sort of like what I said earlier on although I should have said more.

Not that weak. It's pKa is roughly equivalent to Ammonia or Citric Acid. Certainly not HCL, but it'll still do a number on anything you pour it over. Provided you could find and extract enough to do something like that. And that's taking into account that it's an acid that naturally contains several bases. If those were removed, it could change things pretty drastically.

However, it's not the nucleic acid is rarely found alone is almost always coupled to a deoxyribose and pentose. Ammonia, citric acid and whatevers in the bog however.

[Ivolt]

Hilarious.

[Raype]

Although generally they don't have the ability to withstand extremes as well as bacteria and a standard temperature must be returned to in order for fungi to function properly.

Yes, but the question is: which type of bacteria. Bacteria are everywhere, but it's not the same type of bacteria.

However, it's not the nucleic acid is rarely found alone is almost always coupled to a deoxyribose and pentose. Ammonia, citric acid and whatevers in the bog however.

Actually, the bog preservation tends to be Humic Acid. Ammonia and Citric aren't involved (except in the case where they're found in the human body quite frequently, the former under normal circumstances, the latter prone to being ingested). Humic isn't even that bad. People eat and drink it all the time, plants need it to grow. It's really more of an overabundance of it. Compare a glass of water to an ocean. Both tend to be naturally a little bit acidic. One can be quite good for a person, the other can prove fatal.

[Nemkoon]

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and Jill Sandwiches.

[Nemkoon]

I backread all of your confusing conversation!

[Tassadar]

Yes, but the question is: which type of bacteria. Bacteria are everywhere, but it's not the same type of bacteria.

The ones I mentioned again and again Thermophilic or psychrophilic if we were talking about the cold. Although like we agreed on we are not required for their nutrition.

Actually, the bog preservation tends to be Humic Acid. Ammonia and Citric aren't involved (except in the case where they're found in the human body quite frequently, the former under normal circumstances, the latter prone to being ingested). Humic isn't even that bad. People eat and drink it all the time, plants need it to grow. It's really more of an overabundance of it. Compare a glass of water to an ocean. Both tend to be naturally a little bit acidic. One can be quite good for a person, the other can prove fatal.

I didn't know the acid and yes I know concentration is important.

I mentioned Citric acid and Ammonia as a comparison to DNA I didn't mean to imply that they were found in bogs.

[Tassadar]

Hilarious.

That is excellent.

[Pickles]

lvl 30. Now I'm just gonna stock up on .308 bullets for when I can get honest hearts.

[Raype]

Hilarious.

Y'see, the thing about that win right there was that someone watched him win a million dollars. Possibly on halloween.

I hear after this he ran into some big trouble in little china and then had to escape from new york. I hear they live in jersey now.

[Raype]

The ones I mentioned again and again Thermophilic or psychrophilic if we were talking about the cold. Although like we agreed on we are not required for their nutrition.

Ah. I was trying to make a point that different climates have different bacteria that often live in very different ecosystems. Clearly that was unnecessary.

I didn't know the acid and yes I know concentration is important.

I mentioned Citric acid and Ammonia as a comparison to DNA I didn't mean to imply that they were found in bogs.

Oh, right. Yeah, clearly I'm too tired to be making much sense. I'll be over here gradually losing consciousness while mumbling about hydrogen compounds being ridiculous.