The Steve-Out: The Brown Bunny is my movie of the year.

[Colamisu]

Also, I just read the title of the hangout as "The Dick Clan-Out" for a second.

A mental image of some kind of African tribe that worships statues of giant dicks popped into my head.

Made up entirely of women, or is it all men that eat da poo poo?

[Raype]

Made up entirely of women, or is it all men that eat da poo poo?

People use drugs during anal fisting?

Men can't lick a chick's asshole? Chick's can't lick a dude's ass?

Someone link this guy up to a porn streaming site.

He needs to learn the truth.

Should probably send him a video of a chick using a stink log as a dildo.

He'll probably flip his shit.

[Raype]

Or just 2 girls one cup. that'll do.

[Dr Mario]

Ugandan christian. He probably flips his shit at the realisation there are still Muslims around.

[Synthetik]

The grappling is actually quite interesting, provided you have some knowledge of how ground fighting works.

Actually, I agree. I was just speaking from the perspective I used to have before I actually became interested in learning about BJJ/Judo/GRW. Once you learn some of the basic moves and positions you actually see the strategy in what the fighters are trying to do and it's a lot more entertaining. Although there are some fights I've seen between two skilled ground fighters that quickly devolved into snooze fests because they both knew exactly what the other was going for and kept countering.

From a strategic standpoint though, winning by submission is a much safer bet than trying to outscore or knockout your opponent, so it makes sense as to why a lot of fighters seem to favor that style of fighting.

[Colamisu]

Oh wow, there's an Al Bhed translator app? Noice. Google Translate needs to support Al Bhed, imo.

[Synthetik]

Made up entirely of women, or is it all men that eat da poo poo?

Sadly, it was a tribe of all men that popped into my head. Interpret that as you will.

He's a pastor-doctor, so he must be trustworthy. I especially love how he graphically pantomimes anal fisting and then asks the children to step out.

[Dr Mario]

Actually, I agree. I was just speaking from the perspective I used to have before I actually became interested in learning about BJJ/Judo/GRW. Once you learn some of the basic moves and positions you actually see the strategy in what the fighters are trying to do and it's a lot more entertaining. Although there are some fights I've seen between two skilled ground fighters that quickly devolved into snooze fests because they both knew exactly what the other was going for and kept countering.

From a strategic standpoint though, winning by submission is a much safer bet than trying to outscore or knockout your opponent, so it makes sense as to why a lot of fighters seem to favor that style of fighting.

A lot of it also, I think, comes from the backgrounds of many fighters who are more familiar with points wrestling than submission work. They're much better at maintaining or escaping control than they are at actually forcing a submission. And since UFC judges tend to reward control, it's a viable approach.

Something similar happened early on in UFC history as strikers started adding in takedown and submission defence to their arsenals without adding much in the way of ground offence. It led to a fairly effective tactic of just snuffing takedowns and turning it into a brawl, but when things actually went to the ground it got slow and ugly.

[Ivolt]

speaking of which, I'm still shocked the Green fucking Ranger is in MMA.

So awesome.

[Synthetik]

A lot of it also, I think, comes from the backgrounds of many fighters who are more familiar with points wrestling than submission work. They're much better at maintaining or escaping control than they are at actually forcing a submission. And since UFC judges tend to reward control, it's a viable approach.

Something similar happened early on in UFC history as strikers started adding in takedown and submission defence to their arsenals without adding much in the way of ground offence. It led to a fairly effective tactic of just snuffing takedowns and turning it into a brawl, but when things actually went to the ground it got slow and ugly.

That's true, it really only seems to be the fighters that specialize in BJJ that try and focus solely on submission victories. Most wrestlers do seem to favor the takedown/ground and pound approach, which makes sense when you consider that you're basically fucked if a wrestler gets a full mount on you.

I think Royce Gracie really kind of gave everyone a big wake up call back in the early days of the UFC, and people really didn't know how to handle that style of fighting. It almost seemed like that was the catalyst that caused all of these fighters to incorporate all aspects of MMA into their styles of fighting. Chuck Liddell comes to mind on the topic of superior take down defence, though, when he was in his prime at least. But if someone managed to get him on the ground and get on top of him the fight was pretty much over.

[Dr Mario]

speaking of which, I'm still shocked the Green fucking Ranger is in MMA.

So awesome.

Dude is apparently a massive douchebag though, on top of being the bible-thumping sort.

I think Royce Gracie really kind of gave everyone a big wake up call back in the early days of the UFC, and people really didn't know how to handle that style of fighting. It almost seemed like that was the catalyst that caused all of these fighters to incorporate all aspects of MMA into their styles of fighting. Chuck Liddell comes to mind on the topic of superior take down defence, though, when he was in his prime at least. But if someone managed to get him on the ground and get on top of him the fight was pretty much over.

I'm not sure I'd go that far. Gracie was important, but he left after UFC 5. It was more the big wrestlers/shootfighters who really changed things up, with Severn and Shamrock being the heavyweight examples.

[Synthetik]

Dude is apparently a massive douchebag though, on top of being the bible-thumping sort.

I'm not sure I'd go that far. Gracie was important, but he left after UFC 5. It was more the big wrestlers/shootfighters who really changed things up, with Severn and Shamrock being the heavyweight examples.

Yeah, I'm not trying to say the sport didn't continue to evolve after Gracie, but it seemed like before he came along the fighting was almost just a no holds barred slug fest with little to no strategy aside from knocking your opponent senseless or tackling him and then beating him senseless. Then this dude comes along, practically out of nowhere, saying how he can beat anybody with strategy instead of force and then he actually does it. Definitely a testament to BJJ's effectiveness in my opinion. Although it was by no means the defining point where ground fighting became a viable tactic. It just seemed like a point that generated a lot of attention for that style of fighting and kind of caused some people to reevaluate their defensive strategies/fighting styles.

[Tanthias]

FMA time. *looks at vid upload*

*notices tune I've not heard before*

Wait, is it...

[Dr Mario]

Yeah, I'm not trying to say the sport didn't continue to evolve after Gracie, but it seemed like before he came along the fighting was almost just a no holds barred slug fest with little to no strategy aside from knocking your opponent senseless or tackling him and then beating him senseless. Then this dude comes along, practically out of nowhere, saying how he can beat anybody with strategy instead of force and then he actually does it. Definitely a testament to BJJ's effectiveness in my opinion. Although it was by no means the defining point where ground fighting became a viable tactic. It just seemed like a point that generated a lot of attention for that style of fighting and kind of caused some people to reevaluate their defensive strategies/fighting styles.

MMA goes back a lot further than Gracie (with organisations like Pancrase and Shooto crosstraining people well beforehand and Vale Tudo events in Brazil since the 20s). The first tournament was also basically a setup to promote Gracie BJJ - it wasn't outright rigged but there was a lot of BS involved.

Americans just weren't paying any attention to foreign tournaments. They apparently weren't paying much attention to UFC either, because it took a hell of along time for the strikers to start effectively bringing up their defenses against takedowns and groundwork.

[Tanthias]

Wait, Ivolt, why'd we run through Jaws of Death twice in the LP again? (Probably answered during audio, but I didn't listen past adjusting it so that we can be heard over the in-game audio and finding decent points to split )