so the right to bear arms is being challenged?

[Evans]

To protect ourselves from Facist like you.

Just for you:

Fascism:A social and political ideology with the primary guiding principle that the state or nation is the highest priority, rather than personal or individual freedoms.

"Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."

Now, that's a fascist.


Anyway, this is just another case of your being paranoid. You're not doing this for your rights and whatever. You just want a gun because you live in fear.

EDIT:

someone already mentioned this, but if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.

If the lawful and not-so-lawful are armed, it clearly won't escalate.

[Dr Mario]

How the hell is someone losing his life because he couldn't defend himself "Anecdotal"? Linky . That happens everyday all across America. I don't think "reality" qualifies as "Anecdotal". From where did you get that statistic? Sources here dude, sources.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anecdotal
If I have to fucking well explain how that applies, you're a lost cause.

Shows what you know about guns. No weapon is worthwhile if you aren't practiced in it. A knife is a simply swinging and stabbing motion, thrust the hand witht he weapon forward or across. Guns vary weapon to weapon. Bolt-action rifles work much differently than pump-action shotguns. You pretty obviously are a believer in the myth that guns provide a one-shot-one-kill with every bullet. They don't, ask any deer hunter, they don't. Also, you have to have a steady hand, good eye-sight, etc etc. Ask anyone who's ever been trap shooting with a shotgun, its not easy to hit a target unless your very, very close to the target.

Hell, even with a modified choke, I couldn't hit more than one out of five clays my first five attempts. That was the first time I held a gun. Now I'm barely to a average of 4/5, with a bleeding shotgun of all things!

You'll note that I never said a damn thing about accuracy in that post. Of course training plays a part, that's not what I'm disputing. I'm just pointing out:
That with equal training, a 5'3 140 pounder will rarely be on the same level as a 6'2 250 pounder when it comes to brawling. Not the case with small arms
That there is a significant psychological difference between armed melee and firearms combat.
That the hydraulic shock caused by a bullet impact is a significantly different, and significantly more deadly, form of injury than the lacerating trauma of typical edged weapons. Which is different again from the blunt force trauma associated with unarmed strikes.

Anyone who doesn't want to end up like this guy, and the thousands just like him.

And yet, you haven't bothered to show how being armed would have saved them.

[Ahkei]

Anyone who doesn't want to end up like this guy, and the thousands just like him.

Hahahaha, I don't see how having a gun would have helped him.

I sure don't want to get gunned down, but I don't see how having a gun would make things any different. Jesus christ.

[maca]

The only reason I think an average person would carry a loaded weapon everywhere they go is fear of being confronted by another person with a gun.
And if people are going about their daily business armed with guns, there's going to be situations where guns get pulled unnecessarily. People carrying loaded weapons is just as much part of the problem as it tries to solve. However, since there are so many guns, I don't know if suddenly taking away that right would be such a good idea at this stage.

[WolfCoder]

I don't live anywhere would I have to really worry about people shooting guns at other people that much at all, but I sometimes have to go through the more questionable parts of downtown on my commute to the university. If it really got out of hand enough for me to carry a self defense weapon around I'd rather not hesitate to shoot with it (therefore an effective non-lethal weapon is good).

(On a side note, I've noticed Kona-chan is a really popular avatar in nearly all the forums I've been to ).

[_M_]

Hahahaha, I don't see how having a gun would have helped him.

I sure don't want to get gunned down, but I don't see how having a gun would make things any different. Jesus christ.

I think being armed would've helped out alot, if I'm responding to my home being invaded I'm bringing heat. I'm guessing if Taylor was armed at the time of his home invasion he would've had more of a fighing chance. Maybe he still would've been shot, maybe he would've survived unscathed. We'll never know.

I'm very comfortable knowing that if someone is trying to invade my home and steal, or mean to do harm to me or my family, I'm more armed and ready than he'll ever.

I makes alot of dfference when he's armed and you're not.

And it's not only hicks that buy or own guns. Thinking that is just being ignorant.

[Paladin_Hammer]

I think being armed would've helped out alot, if I'm responding to my home being invaded I'm bringing heat. I'm guessing if Taylor was armed at the time of his home invasion he would've had more of a fighing chance. Maybe he still would've been shot, maybe he would've survived unscathed. We'll never know.

I'm very comfortable knowing that if someone is trying to invade my home and steal, or mean to do harm to me or my family, I'm more armed and ready than he'll ever.

I makes alot of dfference when he's armed and you're not.

And it's not only hicks that buy or own guns. Thinking that is just being ignorant.

You said everything I wanted to say. Save correcting Hypnos on his bullshit, which I will do now.

Ancedotal:

1. pertaining to, resembling, or containing anecdotes: an anecdotal history of jazz.
2. (of the treatment of subject matter in representational art) pertaining to the relationship of figures or to the arrangement of elements in a scene so as to emphasize the story content of a subject. Compare narrative (def. 6).
3. based on personal observation, case study reports, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation: anecdotal evidence.

Well lets see, Taylor was shot in a home invasion, he was unarmed. This isn't an isolated case, it happens every day. Home invasion and crime in general are REAL threats (save in Hypnos-land). You can either wait 30 minutes to an hour for the police to show up, IF they show up (see: NYTIMES Article), or, you can take matters into your own hands. I trust myself far more than I do the guys who I pay, but for some dumbass reason aren't required to, protect me. Remember, most of their funding comes from the Federal Government, and who the hell is in charge of that? This asshat:



And potentially this asshat... asshat-et:



Like Charlton Heston said: "From my Cold Dead Hands!"

EDIT: On a lighter note, anyone else notice that when you google image search "G. Bush" and "H. Clinton", Clinton has the funnier pictures? What the hell are you guys up to these days? I demand funnier G. Bush pictures!

[Evans]

This isn't an isolated case, it happens every day.

Then let's see some links to studies, not the most recent case we have heard of.

You may want to read the following, especially the 3rd part: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

[polobunny]

Then let's see some links to studies, not the most recent case we have heard of.

You may want to read the following, especially the 3rd part: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

Best post XD

[Elmdor Rizer]

It sounds as if Paladin is trying to sell something..

You can either wait 30 minutes to an hour for the police to show up, IF they show up (see: NYTIMES Article), or, you can take matters into your own hands. I trust myself far more than I do the guys who I pay, but for some dumbass reason aren't required to, protect me.

Funny, I wouldn't want to be around you when armed. Even if it's just a sharp spatula.. but, hey, guns for everyone. I'm amused by the fact that a lot of right-to-bear-arms-supporters seem to be very paranoid, but they have no problems with random morons (the common man, you know) owning firearms.

[Dr Mario]

Funny, I wouldn't want to be around you when armed. Even if it's just a sharp spatula.. but, hey, guns for everyone. I'm amused by the fact that a lot of right-to-bear-arms-supporters seem to be very paranoid, but they have no problems with random morons (the common man, you know) owning firearms.

I wouldn't call it paranoia. It appears to me to be a combination of a (somewhat justified) distrust of the government taken to extremes and the idea that they are the common man (or at least have his moral support). This is especially prevalent amongst the militia types, for some reason.

[_M_]

I found out that Taylor was on probation and had his ownership of firearms revoked.

Moral lesson: Don't break the law and you won't get shot in your own home.

[Evans]

I found out that Taylor was on probation and had his ownership of firearms revoked.

Moral lesson: Don't break the law and you won't get shot in your own home.

Nice conclusion. :eyeball:

[Clive]

People will say crime will go down if you ban certain types of firearms: wrong! Since the 90's "assault weapons ban," was there even a drop in crime rate? I honestly don't know but my money's on NO

I got this far before giving up. How can you claim something to be "wrong!" if you dont know what the answer is yourself?

Guns are too widespread in the US for them to be banned, and an armastice wouldnt be effective enough (although the odd school genocide does help for those). So as much as I support the idea of a ban on firearms it simply wouldnt work - guns are too ingrained in American society.

[Ivolt]

Nice conclusion. :eyeball:

Don't you know? Flawed logic=win!