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Go ahead. As long as the games aren't shit. That's really all that needs to be said IMO. :wacko:Quote:
Square wants to release a Final Fantasy every year or two
I mean, didn't FF9 come out only a year after 8? And guess what, it's one my favorites. I think Ray pretty much said it all: multiple teams, etc.
I think having multiple teams making multiple series (e.g. Kingdom Hearts) is better than having multiple teams making one series no matter how good it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gare
They have two development teams for FF8 and 9, which is why it was so close together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gare
I know. Hence why I referenced Ray's post.
Aw man, don't I look foolish? :wacko:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gare
It's fine, I made a typo in that post so we're even. Kind of. :wacko:
That's not necessarily a change in tastes though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quiji
360 fans (especially outside japan) are not really the target demographic of JRPGs.
They aren't even the target inside japan. Whenever one of those games got ported to the PS3 later, it winded up outselling its 360 counterpart despite being old news by that point.
Also, most sales come from those foreign markets. Probably because there's a lot more people out here. The problem is that developers in Japan seem to think they have to pander to those markets to receive sales in it. They don't. Most of us liked our games just the way they were. It's really just a huge misunderstanding with no real backing in reality.
well they should at least give it another shot. i mean who knows, it might skyrocket in sales. as far as i know skyrim did fantastic. elder scrolls didnt really change their games a whole hell of a lot. at least not for the worst.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quiji
I don't mind change but the last two FF games I played (FF12,FF13) sat in an uncomfortable spot between Real-Time and Turn-Based, for me they held none of the benefits of either system and just felt like fake action games.
Hopefully they can figure something out, dunno how yearly releases would help though :\
The problem with this is that Skyrim is the fifth of the Elder Scrolls. Though they don't come out often, they are roughly all the same. Final Fantasy has around seventeen different games/sequels/continuations with its titles. The first six Final Fantasy titles were all roughly the same too, style-wise. As much as i would like to see another one, i would rather they stop creating than make something that's poor in design.Quote:
Originally Posted by negles
I've never been a huge fan of the FF series. Although I have enjoyed quite a few of the games. Even though I was late to the party. First FF game I played was FF X. I don't really have a problem with them releasing a game every year or two. As long as the quality of the games does not derode. Though releasing a game every year, that could pose a risk over quality. Could also lead to oversaturation. Just my thoughts.
I agree with what most have said, the Final Fantasy series is already all over the place with an absurd number of them already out. I used to think Final Fantasy was such an awesome series when I fell in love with VII and IX but now I think that they have a few things to learn about making good RPGs. I think it's time this series took off again. Either that or it bombs, either would work. At least they could make something different, even I am getting tired of hearing Final Fantasy.
TBH i Think its time they take a Break from the FF Series and START KINGDOM HEARTS 3 ALREADY!, jezz they said after 12 or 13 was out they would work on KH 3 and it still Has not been worked on :(!
(sorry for caps but it make me rage lol)
http://www.thefinalfantasy.com/games/
Like someone said in the first page, FFs have been released on a more-or-less yearly basis since...forever. Why the indignation?
i just want my final fantasy type 0 on the psp already i am tired of waiting for a new game to come out over here
That is the american business model i guess. Bobby Kotick said they wanted franchises that could be exploited every year, the article states that square is trying to adopt that (atlus too, at least after that stock swap). The thing is that, like maniy of you guys said, there isnt such a huge gap between final fantasy releases, they all come out in about two years after another. What bothers me more is how those softhouses are recycling content, before Final Fantasy X, we never had such a repetition in Final Fantasys (the main branch at least) and even ffx fans thought ffx-2 to be, at its best, an epilogue for ffx and at its worst pure fan service. I also think its kinda weird how we read everywhere how jrpgs need to change and se adopts the business model used by companies that built a solid franchise and release more of the same every year.
Rather than releasing new games every one/two year/s I wish they would adapt FF VII or other great ones from older consoles to the PS3 with refreshing new graphics and perhaps other improvements like handling/names or new Equpitment. FF XII and XIII were interesting in some ways, but I rather play the old ones with great Story, sometimes nice Sidequests, which you will remember for the side-quest-story rather what you get for doing it. (was it only my imagination or was FF XII more like a FF-turned Star Wars?). I think I will test FF XIII-2 but I really don't think it will be better than FF XIII or even the old ones. Perhaps they should aim to make a game with quite deep and interesting story and well thought gameplay, even if it takes 2-4 Years to make it, so the Buyer could say: "I really got what I paid for" (When I think a new PS3 Game costs over 80$ when it is released in my country and since releasing I hardly could find a game which was really worth paying so much for it.)
That's it!
Why so much hate for FF XIII. I just can't stand it. I've read lots of reviews, played the game, understood most of their concepts.
Please, read these so that you'll understand what i'm talking about:
http://www.rpgamer.com/games/ff/ff13...f13strev1.html
and
http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/Final_...III/index.html
Square Enix IS realeasing good final fantasies. Yes, FF XII didn't have much character development. The story was ok. I enjoyed it. FF XIII had an interesting gameplay, and in my opinion it is one, if not the best and most innovative, Final Fantasy. SE is not afraid of innovation. FF XIII-2 seems fantastic. Each FF is unique in it's own way. And all, no exceptions, FFs are linear, the only difference being that they have towns for you to visit and NPCs that repeat the same thing over and over. FF XIII had an interesting gameplay, good story, good chracters and a beautiful world to explore (Pulse), even though it was accessible kinda late in the game, but it was worth the wait.
That, is my opinion. Before saying something bad against a game, consider all it's flaws and good points.
when the FF got into the 12's and 14's I started to stop wanting FF as much to be honest, I wish they'd make a much better system to name there games becaus ealthough FF XIX -IIIX will prob be badass I prefer they do something about the titles that are verging on the confusing and ridiculous imho =)
I'm fine with a new FF each year. A numbered one, not so much.
But that's the part I miss most. Sure I miss the good storylines (FF 6,7,8,10) but what pissed me off the most about 12 is that after two days I was at the halfway point.Quote:
Originally Posted by ponury_indor
I want good games, not a agglomeration of pretty pictures.
You know they are only going to suck harder. The series died at 8. Same beaten formula, over and over again. Just different story. But I have to give the people at Square something, they ARE trying to change a little bit. Like making people look like real people and voice acting. Unfortunately, the one to me thats the best is X-2. They basically make it all sidequests, giving you lots of freedom and give it that sandbox feel. But then again, you do these sidequests, just to get them into skimpier outfits. By the way RIKU IS SUPPOSED TO BE A TEENAGER. Jailbait much? So basically they are taking the DOA road with this game. Here come jiggle physics! Now with XIII-2 coming out, I'm scared to see it, because those characters, not really set for fan service.
I honestly don't understand what all the fuss here is about. Final Fantasy going down hill has bugger-all to do with their release schedule which, as has been stated repeatedly before, has always been like this. Accusing them of ridiculous greed and what have you is... frankly, a bit silly in that regard.
I feel the series has gone downhill due to the choices made by the developers for the games themselves, not by how quickly they were released. That's a completely different story though (and a rather lengthy rant on my part, so I'll restrain myself :P), but really, the whole discussion is mildly pointless. Essentially this is almost 23-year old news. They've been releasing on a nigh-yearly basis since part 1, which was released in 1988.
Hey, I was born in '88... :PP
Good grief, you're as old as FINAL FANTASY!Quote:
Originally Posted by foggy_han
(Note: I'm actually 24. :P)
Oh come on - two days? You just rushed through main quests or what? I had 100 (+10 or 15 that weren't counted when I was on dying streak in Necrohol of Nabudis) hours on my last save. And that without Super Bosses (only Hell Wyrm) and Elite Hunt Marks (Behemoth King was too much for me). In IX I've started 4th disc with 39 hours on save and that includes a lot of grinding. XII is big game, with ACTUAL big world and not just town icons on world map.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFlamingo
I think Final Fantasy is getting even better. SE is not afraid of experimenting. They learned with their errors on FF XIII (i'm not saying XIII is a bad game. It is the best FF in my opinion. It just had a terrible first impression. But once you get to Pulse, things get a lot better. FF XIII has the best characters when it comes to character development and backstory -not counting VI on this, it had a lot of good characters and no main character, just like XIII-).
I'm not going to tell you you're wrong in liking Final Fantasy XIII - tastes differ, after all. I do want to say this though: Yeah, it becomes more open once you get to Pulse, but that's more than half-way through the game, and even then you're there for quite some time and then it's BACK TO YOUR CORRIDOR!Quote:
Originally Posted by rulucian
I'll give Square props for experimenting, but I definitely do not feel that they got it right there. Perhaps it's because I have different standards in games than younger players, or perhaps I'm just too critical. But I don't like the characters, the story-telling method, the battle system, and frankly, the music didn't do much for me. That leaves the graphics, which I will happily admit were fabulous. :P
Still, who knows, perhaps their next game will turn out to be the next FF7, if you will. (Not fanboying, just noting the sheer impact that one had. Perhaps they can repeat that.) All I know is that they have to come up with something bloody impressive to make me buy it. Twelve bored me - yes, it was huge, but at the same time remarkably limited to one thing: Battles. All the quests involve battles or solving a puzzle to reach a harder battle. Thirteen had this problem even worse, as far as I'm concerned. :P Fourteen was an astonishing embarassment, though I don't know how much has changed since the horror that was its release, so I won't comment there. I will say this though: If XV comes out sometime next year, I'll certainly have a look around several reviews and videos to see how it looks. I still want to like the series. It's just suffered a few dents. :P
Plus, if they do release on a yearly basis as they've always done, one might surmise that XV will be developed by a different team altogether, possibly pleasing those that hated XIII. Time, as ever, will tell. :)
It's really a shame that FF is resorting to "Call of Madden" style marketing. I still know I'll buy most of what Square-Enix puts out, (much like Capcom) but it's a shame that they will be blatantly focusing less on story because that's what drives those games.
What's your favorite JRPG, then? Just curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ivo Robotnik
Are you kidding!? The OSTs been getting better and better! :sa-smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ivo Robotnik
But kinda see your point. Games like Chrono Trigger with multiple endings and/or freedom to explore the several worlds and/or different timelines.
I think FF XIII-2 offers something similar. A more player-driven game. Only time will tell if FF XIII-2 will give us the same taste CT did. And it seems there's gonna bee a FF XIII-3 (i'm not gonna spoiler it here, since this is a spoiler i read at the finalfantasy.wiki).
Perhaps FF XV will be the next FF VI or VII (i didn't like VII's story that much, but the battle system was pretty enjoyable, aside the fact that you could take down Sephiroth with just one summon -knights of the round-).
Innovation! That's what i like to hear. Some could say FF XIII was a failed experiment, some could argue with that. But we all must agree that SE will most likely not make the same mistakes again with the following FFs! :D
FYI i turned 21 this year! I'm not that young :p
Heh, music the most impossible to argue on in terms of personal taste. Quality-wise it's fine. It just didn't do much for me personally. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by rulucian
Chrono Trigger's complexity was enormous, and I still enjoy playing through it even today. Perhaps XIII-2 will be able to create something similar, but the problem for me is that I don't like XIII's characters or most of its plot. I just don't think I'll be able to enjoy XIII-2, no matter how vastly changed it is. Plus, I fundamentally loathe the combat system, and in screenshots I already saw "paradigm" re-appear, and more importantly, the "auto-battle" button. Pass.Quote:
But kinda see your point. Games like Chrono Trigger with multiple endings and/or freedom to explore the several worlds and/or different timelines.
I think FF XIII-2 offers something similar. A more player-driven game. Only time will tell if FF XIII-2 will give us the same taste CT did. And it seems there's gonna bee a FF XIII-3 (i'm not gonna spoiler it here, since this is a spoiler i read at the finalfantasy.wiki).
To those that enjoyed XIII, I hope for you all that XIII-2 will be enjoyable as well. I'm not that cheap. :P
Who knows. As has already been said - we'll see sooner or later. On a personal note: I quite like VII's story, but tastes vary. And I agree that the final boss fight was disappointing in terms of difficulty. Trying to take down Emerald and Ruby Weapon was fun though. :PQuote:
Perhaps FF XV will be the next FF VI or VII (i didn't like VII's story that much, but the battle system was pretty enjoyable, aside the fact that you could take down Sephiroth with just one summon -knights of the round-).
We'll most likely (tortured attempt at keeping this marginally on-topic!) hear from it soon if they want to stick to their release schedule.
I would say XIII was a failed experiment, but it was an experiment that failed on ME, I'll be nice. If I really wanted to tear the game apart, I'd just link my review here. It's fairly lengthy :PQuote:
Innovation! That's what i like to hear. Some could say FF XIII was a failed experiment, some could argue with that. But we all must agree that SE will most likely not make the same mistakes again with the following FFs! :D
Also, I don't agree that SE will most likely not make the same mistakes. I would prefer to rephrase it a little to "we all hope that SE will most likely not make the same mistakes again." That's just me though :P
Bah, I'm 24. You're nothing but a youngling! You don't know how it was in my day!Quote:
FYI i turned 21 this year! I'm not that young :p
EDIT: I do apologise, I completely failed to answer this earlier question.
I think I would still say Final Fantasy VII. I'm not going to praise it into the high heavens, and I'd appreciate it if this post isn't followed by a "lolol fanboy" reply. The game still manages to keep me hooked, the music is brilliant (in my opinion, put those knives away), and I quite like the gameplay. Following that would be Chrono Trigger (as one of the few games that gets time travel more or less working in their storyline) and/or Final Fantasy IX (too underappreciated, seriously) and/or Breath of Fire III - what can I say, I'm a dragon-fanatic. Plus, the game worked pretty well, in terms of gameplay and storyline, and had pretty good music. Also, dragons! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by gezegond
^lololo fanboy
It's...stronger than me.
In any case, I don't see failed experiments as something bad. I'll take an experimental, flawed game over a "let's play it safe" attempt. Even if it's not a blast to play, it's usually at least interesting.
Agreed. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ivo Robotnik
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Who knows. As has already been said - we'll see sooner or later. On a personal note: I quite like VII's story, but tastes vary. And I agree that the final boss fight was disappointing in terms of difficulty. Trying to take down Emerald and Ruby Weapon was fun though. :P
Emerald weapon was a tough, yet enjoyable fight! :D
But, in my opinion, Ruby weapon was much harder because of it's status inflicting attacks. If memory serves, you only get two ribbons or items that make you immune to all status. So there's always the third character ruining your strategy to take it down! lol
Do it. I just love to read reviews about games, be it good or bad, it shows another side of the game. I've read a lot of FF XIII reviews. Some praised the games for it's positive points while diminishing it's flaws. Others completely tore the game apart. But for the most part, they were a good read! :DQuote:
I would say XIII was a failed experiment, but it was an experiment that failed on ME, I'll be nice. If I really wanted to tear the game apart, I'd just link my review here. It's fairly lengthy :P
Perhaps you're right. Only time will tell.Quote:
Also, I don't agree that SE will most likely not make the same mistakes. I would prefer to rephrase it a little to "we all hope that SE will most likely not make the same mistakes again." That's just me though :P
FF VII's OST is really impressive! :DQuote:
I think I would still say Final Fantasy VII. I'm not going to praise it into the high heavens, and I'd appreciate it if this post isn't followed by a "lolol fanboy" reply. The game still manages to keep me hooked, the music is brilliant (in my opinion, put those knives away), and I quite like the gameplay. Following that would be Chrono Trigger (as one of the few games that gets time travel more or less working in their storyline) and/or Final Fantasy IX (too underappreciated, seriously) and/or Breath of Fire III - what can I say, I'm a dragon-fanatic. Plus, the game worked pretty well, in terms of gameplay and storyline, and had pretty good music. Also, dragons! :P
I still listen to anxious heart and the main theme to this day! :P
I do like FF IX. Zidane is funny. I liked to explore using the chocobos to find the chococrafts and get to the chocobo paradise. That was cool! :D
I loved Breath of Fire III as well! There's no arguing when it comes to Dragons! :D
So intensely tempted to down-rep you for your post, if I didn't more or less unwittingly ask for it in big blinking neon letters. Carry on, good sir. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Cresset
And yeah, I'm not opposed to experimentation whatsoever. I just feel the experiment failed. This can happen, and I hope the results are different next time.
[QUOTE=rulucian;1402647]Agreed. :P
Emerald weapon was a tough, yet enjoyable fight! :D
But, in my opinion, Ruby weapon was much harder because of it's status inflicting attacks. If memory serves, you only get two ribbons or items that make you immune to all status. So there's always the third character ruining your strategy to take it down! lol [QUOTE]
Unless you're a patient sod and morph Master Tonberries down at North Crater. They morph into Ribbons. Use that knowledge and couple it with the fact that Yuffie's ultimate weapon, the Conformer, deals full damage while morphing, annnnd...
Well, I usually finish a playthrough of FF7 with 8 ribbons, put it that way :P
On your head be it. It's bloody lengthy, but I hope it amuses: Long-ass link so typing something else to click. Which is now probably longer than the link. Damnit I'm counterproductive.Quote:
Do it. I just love to read reviews about games, be it good or bad, it shows another side of the game. I've read a lot of FF XIII reviews. Some praised the games for it's positive points while diminishing it's flaws. Others completely tore the game apart. But for the most part, they were a good read! :D
Always nice to see others who played and enjoyed BoF3. It's success was rather overshadowed by Final Fantasy, I feel, but they're still solid games, though the last instalment (Dragon Quarter) wasn't really for me.Quote:
Perhaps you're right. Only time will tell.
FF VII's OST is really impressive! :D
I still listen to anxious heart and the main theme to this day! :P
I do like FF IX. Zidane is funny. I liked to explore using the chocobos to find the chococrafts and get to the chocobo paradise. That was cool! :D
I loved Breath of Fire III as well! There's no arguing when it comes to Dragons! :D
I wish THEY would release on an annual or bi-annual basis. :P
Honestly, XIII was a failed experiment to me. All Shine and no substance. That and no Nobuo Uematsu. :wacko:
Personally, my Favorite FFs are FFVIII (Flame Shield Activate! Defensive Power! 120%!) and FFV (weak story imo, but they perfected the job system in that one.)
I kinda feel the same, but sometimes the failed experiment is so flawed, you start thinking that they never play tested it even once to see if they gameplay works at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cresset
Don't like Auto battle, don't use it.
(Psst, in FFVII you could hold down O and finish all the fights that way without selecting anything. You can easily finish the entire game without doing anything but holding O in battle. There's even a tutorial that tells you this. )
I'll grant I didn't know that you were told about that (or that it even worked :P), but frankly, I think that's pushing it for FF7. There are fights where you can't get away with just attacking, in my opinion. Putting that aside though, Final Fantasy XIII's battle system doesn't lend itself well to selecting everything you want to do separately. Final Fantasy VII's system did. Of course, this is my opinion, and perhaps I'm just too slow, but the battle system is simply too fast-paced to be able to get away with selecting everything separately in the uncomfortable menu system. Menu systems are fine like this, if the battle isn't real time. If the battle speed paused while you were selecting abilities, I'd happily ignore the auto-battle button for the rest of my life, but sadly, it doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raype
Like I said, perhaps it's me, perhaps not, but I feel the battle system is so poorly designed that using auto-battle (or auto-heal) is the only truly viable solution in many fights, especially because if you don't use it, you get pounded into the dirt because you can never match the game's speed. Or at least I can't.
The same can be said about XIII. Trying to auto battle through mark hunts/certain boss fights gets you killed. Likewise random encounters in VII had bullshit abilities that made mashing attack necessary (Y HALO THAR 666 ON EARLY GAME ENEMIES). Just because "Auto Battle" replaces "Attack" doesn't make it any different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ivo Robotnik
You can slow down the battle system. It's under the settings menu. I can't see the slowest setting being too fast for anyone that isn't part snail.