PS3 VS XBOX 360 analysis

[pkt-zer0]

I was implying that extra game content didn't take up much space, extra graphical content did. And that would also mean more manpower needed in that section, etc. There are 300+ hours long RPGs that only take up 7MB or so. Physics is also something that does not require much space.

Room for growth is fine, totally. But I still see the BRD as not much more than Sony trying to introduce a new standard and make as much money as possible out of it, cut down on people copying games, and so on.

Sure the math wont take too much space but the graphics for not only the act of the debris being blown up but also each individual piece of debris. I have experience in 3D and i know you cant just take one object and blow it up and have the physics react to each individual piece. Each piece must be broken up into its own object which would then require its own textures. This is what will take up so much space and whether you want to believe it or not it takes substantial disk space to do certain things like that.

Third, i have said it many times but you are not listening... The space isnt for graphics or such but for gameplay.

So, graphics, or gameplay? Which was it?

[malice2501]

this thread is sooo good because we have 1)a fanboy, 2) who wont get the point.

Im actually enjoying this thread.

[J]

How interesting. A Power PC lover. The cell processor is a Power Pc with 7 specialized cores... which have their own purpose.

I have been reading developer rumors that state that programming for the PS3 is even harder than on the PS2. And more expensive. And that pararelism has not been perfected. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Blu-Ray is a way to copy protect Sony's games. There won't be any Blu-Ray readers/writers for the PC as far as I know... to avoid illegal copying. Again, please correct me if I am wrong.

As for graphics... the nVidia RSX is based on the 7800GT graphics core. That core is Shader Model 2.0 compliant, while the aTi graphics core found in the Xbox 360 is based on the X1800XT, which is Shader Model 3.0+, and it is running in a native Direct X environment. I wonder who has the upper hand in graphics in real world performance, even if the PS3 uses some sort of OpenGL, in which nVidia excels. Yet I have seen some Oblivion (360) real-time videos here... it is beautiful and something that could be done in both consoles, but bethsoft decided not to port it to the PS3 because it was too complex (the conversion).

Ironic... the soon to be released Zelda looks better than some of the so called next gen games...

Storage space... funny argument. I think that Resident Evil 4 looks better than some games released lately, except obviously F.E.A.R. (the one that brought my baby to it's knees!). And the team at Capcom didn't use uber textures for that, just excellent modeling and texture compression, which is something most recent consoles can do in real-time. Real-time texture decompression, and there is no quality lost and saves space. Yeah, it did need 2 GC disks, but it was an excellent game and a good example of well used resources. And in the translation to PS2, some quality was lost, yes... but it had extra content and I believe it was still 1 DVD including the extra content.

I don't understand the fanboyish comments. just because the disk format war? I prefer faster transfer rates and cheaper manufacturing than paying for an unproven technology as Blu-Ray is.

Still, I will go with Nintendo. They will not fail me this time.

Wait until the 3 are released and there, when you OWN the 3, you may play them and decide, not which one looks better, but which one you do find more entertaining.

[Suikie]

Note on the BD-Roms, They are available for PC but they arent cheap yet. Pioneer i believe was the first to make one. Second, i think gameplay is what matters most. Graphics dont matter as much but i myself do appreciate realism in certain types of games. If i am going to play an FPS i want it to be as realistic as possible. If i am going to play an RPG i dont care about realism i care about a good storyline. And as for RPGs that take 300+ hours and are only 7 megs... You must really sux at RPGs because i can beat even the ultima games in less than 20 hours. The only time an RPG takes 300+ hours is if you either sux real bad or like to mess around in side games forever.

If you follow the storyline strictly RPGs typically take anywhere from 10-40 hours. I myself want them to take a bit longer though i dont know about how everyone else feels on the matter. As for RE4 looking better than most games... Well they make great use of their textures and such but it doesnt really have better graphics than any other GC or PS2 game. No offense but i think you probably dont know enough about graphics to make an accurate argument. Sure it looks great but it doesnt have better graphics than most of the newer games. Also dont get me wrong but i am not a fan-boy. I made this thread to get other's point of view on the playstation 3 not to hear everyone complain about how they think its all BS because every game company BSs on their specs when they first announce it. Take a look at XBOX 360's original specs and such then compare to the real stuff. Way different. Do the same with the Nintendo Dolphin AKA Gamecube as well as any other modern console.

I cast my vote with Playstation 3 not because the system is CLAIMED to be better or because the graphics are supposed to be better. The BD-Rom is probably the best part about the PS3 to me because i truely understand the future of games while the rest of you compare to todays games. The games of tomorrow will be greatly different to the games of today. With a larger capacity limit the creators of a game can experiment with anything they want and not have to worry so much about cutting stuff out. If you would all see past your single-mindedness you would realize this.
Playstation consoles have had more hit titles than any other console except maybe SNES but hey you cant beat the classics i dont care what you say. This is why i side with playstation. Sure XBOX and GC have SOME good titles... But given a span of 3 months which system do you think is more likely to have more than 1-2 hit titles? PLAYSTATION!

[malice2501]

I cast my vote with Playstation 3 not because the system is CLAIMED to be better or because the graphics are supposed to be better. The BD-Rom is probably the best part about the PS3 to me because i truely understand the future of games while the rest of you compare to todays games. The games of tomorrow will be greatly different to the games of today. With a larger capacity limit the creators of a game can experiment with anything they want and not have to worry so much about cutting stuff out. If you would all see past your single-mindedness you would realize this.
Playstation consoles have had more hit titles than any other console except maybe SNES but hey you cant beat the classics i dont care what you say. This is why i side with playstation. Sure XBOX and GC have SOME good titles... But given a span of 3 months which system do you think is more likely to have more than 1-2 hit titles? PLAYSTATION!

So.... Xbox saying that it will make the 360 possibly upgradable to a BRAY drive just doesnt cut the mustard for you does it? And if a game is so frikkin huge that it needs more than 8Gigs (no time soon, and when they will, the 360 and PS3 will probably be old news), why cant they just put it on 2? Multiple discs never bothered anyone during the PSX days. The games of tomorrow will be just like the games of today, just prettier. Think about it, how many groundbreaking titles have there been? That game with the talking fish for dreamcast? Thats about it. Refer to my sig on how gameimg cycles go. (all that shall be...)

And all the current generation of gaming platforms had solid hit games, and all of them had loads of shit thrown on them. PS2 had a lot more titles on it than any other platform, meaning they will have the most hits, AND the biggest shit pile. Dont count Nintendo out man, they have a loyaler (is this a word?) following than the PS2. The PS made casual gaming big with the non-nerd crowd. So all the "gangstas" got to play GTA, the jocks anything sports, and so on... This is not a loyal fancrowd, and if they had anything more than a passing fancy for whatever looks shiny when they pass a booth, then the PS2 would not have dominated this generation (second rate graphics, least innovative titles, 56K modem). but alas, you are a fanboy's fanboy...

[Suikie]

Ok first off are you all so stupid that you think im saying nintendo sucks?! OMFG!!! Nintendo is in a class of its own! Nintendo isnt supposed to be compared to playstation or XBOX. Second, Game developers dont like stringing across 2 discs if they dont have to. How would you feel if you went to burn something to a DVD and it was JUST OVER THE LIMIT!? Then you would have to go back through it and delete a bunch of stuff you wanted to keep! This is the advantage of Blue Ray. Also there is no chance in hell of XBOX 360 ever using BD-Rom im sorry. MAYBE HD-DVD but NOT BD-R. Plus im just like the rest of you. I was raised on Atari, NES, Sega Master System and so on. I beat the original zelda when it first came out for crying out loud.

I also never said anything about GROUNDBREAKING titles. I said HIT titles. That would be equivalent to top selling games. Any game you would see as a greatest hit would be a HIT TITLE. Personally i wonder if you really even read the whole thread or not.
If you had you would realize exactly what im trying to say in this thread. Or maybe you are just dense (or stupid)? This thread isnt about bias towards Sony. It is sheer fact that Playstation has more hit titles and more INTERESTING titles. Also it is deemed the console of RPGers seeing as it has more RPGs per year than any other console has in its lifetime. Face is Sony has better third party support.

[J]

Sony has more third party support. Just like Intel sells more computers. We'll see 8 months from now when the three consoles are out.

[malice2501]

Ok first off are you all so stupid that you think im saying nintendo sucks?! OMFG!!! Nintendo is in a class of its own! Nintendo isnt supposed to be compared to playstation or XBOX. Second, Game developers dont like stringing across 2 discs if they dont have to. How would you feel if you went to burn something to a DVD and it was JUST OVER THE LIMIT!? Then you would have to go back through it and delete a bunch of stuff you wanted to keep! This is the advantage of Blue Ray. Also there is no chance in hell of XBOX 360 ever using BD-Rom im sorry. MAYBE HD-DVD but NOT BD-R. Plus im just like the rest of you. I was raised on Atari, NES, Sega Master System and so on. I beat the original zelda when it first came out for crying out loud.

Microsoft said it ws posible, so why isnt it? Goddamn man, look past your love for sony and take them at their word. MS is not full of shit like sony (most of the time anyway). The xbox was what they promised, and im sure the 360 will be to.

I also never said anything about GROUNDBREAKING titles. I said HIT titles. That would be equivalent to top selling games. Any game you would see as a greatest hit would be a HIT TITLE. Personally i wonder if you really even read the whole thread or not.
If you had you would realize exactly what im trying to say in this thread. Or maybe you are just dense (or stupid)? This thread isnt about bias towards Sony. It is sheer fact that Playstation has more hit titles and more INTERESTING titles. Also it is deemed the console of RPGers seeing as it has more RPGs per year than any other console has in its lifetime. Face is Sony has better third party support.

A "hit" title doesnt mean its a good game, or a "groundbreaking" one does it? *sighs deeply* No, you have to compare Nintendo to other systems in it's genre, because its a goddamn game system. And you shouldnt go around reffering to people as dense or stupid, considering everyone in this thread has completely disagreed with you repeatedly and yet you still ride the big S dick.

And i guess you missed this in my earlier post:

And all the current generation of gaming platforms had solid hit games, and all of them had loads of shit thrown on them. PS2 had a lot more titles on it than any other platform, meaning they will have the most hits, AND the biggest shit pile.

yeah....

Gj on using paragraphs though

[Fer!]

I don't know why everyone argues so much, if you have fun playing the 360, go for it, you want to play MGS4? Wait until for the PS3

The Revolution controller is cool for you? Wait for the Revolution...

The point is how much fun the games are...

[Suikie]

Indeed Raiden. And Malice i can see you really havent read the whole thread. Try looking up some articles on the revolution and you will see it is going to be a completely different type of game system. Nintendo is trying to take the first major steps toward VR. You cant compare what nintendo is trying to do to what Sony and MS are doing. And if a game isnt good then why the hell would they make a greatest hits version? Top sellers are made into greatest hits. Playstation consoles have far more greatest hits than any other console. Its not a love for playstation or sony its a love for good games which frankly XBOX lacks. Nintendo releases great games but they are few and far between but when they DO make one it rocks. Get a clue, learn more about games. Peace, im out.

PS. Microsoft is just as bad as sony at keeping promises. You just dont keep track of the industry well enough.

[Cyberxion]

its a love for good games which frankly XBOX lacks. Nintendo releases great games but they are few and far between but when they DO make one it rocks. Get a clue, learn more about games. Peace, im out.

This is your opinion and nothing more. No matter how forcefully you try and cram it down these guy's throats, it's not going to change that fact. As such, you might want to reconsider the rather rude way you're adressing them.

EDIT: That's not to say that you can't continue your fanboyish rants if such a thing appeals to you, but that instead of being so...I dunno, over-dramatic about things, that you try and approach this thread and its participants with a little more respect. They're videogame systems for shit's sake, it's not really worth arguing about at all, much less being a jerk about it...

[brit]

Note to particpants, I've already won this thread.

[crusher]

They're videogame systems for shit's sake, it's not really worth arguing about at all, much less being a jerk about it...

GameFAQs and especially NGG doesn't agree with you...

[Springer]

Also Gamespots System Wars forum heavily disagrees. Seriously logic goes out the window there.

[crusher]

Haha, I heard the system wars forum is chaos itself. NGG (Next Generation Gaming forum at GameFAQs) is apparently not even close to as bad, and I think it's pretty horrible from time to time.