Bombs and Stuff

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I won't deny that we sent arms to Britian. Hitler was the Real threat in America's eyes. When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, we were all stunned. Many did not know why Japan would attack the USA (at the time of course). Secondly, we fought in North Africa, Sicily, and Italy. We were alongside the British during all three campaign's. We were the ones who pushed into France, Patton and his thrid army showed that German asshole Goering the meaning of 'blitzkrieg', when he (Patton) took france in under three weeks. From then on, US forces pushed into Germany from the East while Russia took it from the West.

I'd like to use this moment to say that the only reason Russia lost so many lives was because of Stalin. After his take-over of the Communist party, Stalin became the most paranoid man alive. Anyone who could take a political stand against him was made an "Enemy of the State", which took many goods officers out of the Russia Army and put in incompetent officers in place. That's why Russia lost so many.

I know, I was just adding more examples to the ones you had already said. And, interestingly enough, the greatest problem with Russian leadership, I think, was not necessarily incompetent leadership (Some of their new senior leadership, Zhukov in particular, were quite intelligent), it was inadequate leadership at the lower echelons. If you kill all your generals and promote your colonels and lieutenants to take their place, you still have to fill all those holes your colonels and lieutenants left behind, otherwise those divisions and brigades that compose your army still don't know what to do.

The Russian's didn't accept the Surrender of german soldiers, there's no way they'd take Japan's surrender. Sweden? They weren't even fighting. They surrendered to a nobody, not us. They kept fighting us. Why the hell did a surrender to a neutral country matter when they were still at war with us? They kept kamakazing us so Sweden mattered for shit.

Surrender through, not surrender to. Since all of the Japanese embassies to the Allied powers were closed down, and vice versa, and the so-called red phones didn't really exist yet, the only way for the two powers to even talk to each other was through neutral intermediaries that maintained diplomatic ties with both sides, like the USSR or Sweden (The USSR never even relayed the treaty to the Allies, since it would have defeated their purpose in seeking land in the area, but Sweden did...also, in both cases, the Japanese used the cypher Purple to contact their embassies, which they knew had been cracked by the Allies). But, yes, surrender to a power you're not at war with would be rather silly.

I think we should have dropped one on a Island within sight of the Japanese mainland and said "Look at this, now imagine what we could do with it." Stalin already knew about the A-bomb. He had spy's within our program, working side-by-side with the guys who built it.

Not even the scientists on the Manhattan project knew exactly what would happen. It was the firm belief of some experts that detonating the Atom bomb would ignite all of the oxygen in the atmosphere because of the energy released, bathing the entire planet in flames (Needless to say, they were opposed to the Trinity field tests, which only demonstrated that it worked in a desert). Besides that, America had already devastated most of the islands near Japan just to get in range for Olympic, and Dolittle had already devastated most of the urban areas. The best way to demonstrate the worth of the atom bomb in destructive power for the enemy was to use it on relatively pristine cities that the Japanese people could see, visit, and actually understand the destruction of, not relatively distant empty or Allied-occupied islands. Not just for Japan's sake, but for the sake of the USSR and even the Allies, too.

True true. Anyone remember the Jews? That over 7 million died in death camps? You think America was all-wrong in WWII when we were the ones who put an end to the Nazi's (Russia was there too).

I never said the Allies were all-wrong, just that they did some morally reprehensible acts, too. An act can be morally corrupt and still be done for the greater good (Whether that justifies the act is a different arguement), but Dresden was not done for a greater good. It was done to show the Soviets that the Allies were not completely impotent, when this could have been done in so many better ways (Turn those bombers against military targets, for one). It pales greatly in comparison to attempted genocide, though, (And if the Jewish Holocaust was bad, think of what would have happened if Germany had successfully overrun Slavic Europe...they thought of the Slavs as just as subhuman as the Jews, only with a lot more to get rid of), but it did happen.

I used "dude with polio" because i have very little respect for the man. I have lost all respect for the French, especially since they were giving money to Saddam in the oil for food scandal. I doubt any girl,with the exception of those women bodybuilders....maybe, could beat me up. The Cold war was more of a face off than a war. But seriuosly though, without the US, Europe would be speaking German....maybe not literally but you know what i mean.

Without France (Both Bourbon and Napoleonic), Americans would be speaking the Queen's English rather than its modern colonial dialect. Imagine that, the USA owed its independence in 1781 to an absolutist monarchy which had supplied them with money, a navy, and training, and again in 1814 to a dictator who had tied up the British Army from Europe to India. By this logic, your own hatred of France is unjustified because of their past assistance to America.

Who are we supposed to be blaming again?

Everyone except America, apparently. I accept, too, that the deaths of 350k people was necessary to prevent greater losses later, but you can't blame Imperial Japan for Hiroshima and Nagasaki any more than you can blame the murdered for being in the way of the bullet when the murderer pulled the trigger. America, and Truman, in the end, held ultimate responsibility for the deployment and use of their nuclear arsenal, not a government halfway across the world (Though, admittedly, the thought of Emperor Hirohito calling up the White House and ordering Truman to drop two atom bombs on his country is...rather interesting).