Halo 2 released...early?

[Huey Kruthas]

You also have to consider that alot of people bow to peer pressure. If a kid's at school and all his freinds are talking about a certain game or whatnot, he or she is going to want it as well, so as to feel like part of the group.

I hate when people buy games out of peer pressure, I have a friend that does that with every game I buy/download.

[GundamGuy]

I'm not sure I'm following you here. Perhaps you could explain how having a decent story, great graphics, and controls that work equals innovation. It seems to me that it's simply something that should be requisite of all games.

Same thing i said about a page back and got bashed for it... Still has yet to explain his logic..

[Huey Kruthas]

People think innovation is anything, it is ridiculous.

"In Halo, they completely imitate Aliens, the movie, how innovative!!"

Don't get me wrong, I love Halo, but just because a game is good, or great, doesn't make it innovative.

[Cyberxion]

Same thing i said about a page back and got bashed for it... Still has yet to explain his logic..

Well, I'm pretty sure having read through his posts that he's devoid of any overal logic here. He totally dismissed Konami_Man's responce to his rather rude drivel, even though it was very well thought out and put together. So it seems to me as if it directly refutes anything he's said, it either doesn't warrant a responce, or at best a snide remark about our intelligence and whatnot. As such, I wouldn't expect much from him.

People think innovation is anything, it is ridiculous.

"In Halo, they completely imitate Aliens, the movie, how innovative!!"

Don't get me wrong, I love Halo, but just because a game is good, or great, doesn't make it innovative.

Great point. And even were the game as innovative as everyone claims, innovation doesn't equal greatness by any means. How many innovative games have fallen to the way-side due to mediocraty?

[FoReVerZeRo]

People think innovation is anything, it is ridiculous.

"In Halo, they completely imitate Aliens, the movie, how innovative!!"

Don't get me wrong, I love Halo, but just because a game is good, or great, doesn't make it innovative.

This is the same way I think people take GTA III...people think the game changed games forever, all it did was become popular and insure that future game companies would copy its style. It wasn't the first game to give you freedom in a game world...im not saying I hate the game but its way overrated. Whoa...I got really off topic, well...to put my post in short: I agree with you falados.

*waits for someone to get pissed at him*

[Borman]

Its not revolutionary, it just put a lot of ideas from a ton of games into one game, and it actually worked

[Cyberxion]

This is the same way I think people take GTA III...people think the game changed games forever, all it did was become popular and insure that future game companies would copy its style. It wasn't the first game to give you freedom in a game world...im not saying I hate the game but its way overrated. Whoa...I got really off topic, well...to put my post in short: I agree with you falados.

*waits for someone to get pissed at him*

Actually, yeah after having thought about it, I sorta agree. It might be overrated. But it really can't be argued that before GTA III, there wasn't really anything like it on the next-gen systems. It really opened up a whole new realm for developers, showing them that games didn't have to follow a linear path like they did during the previous generation. It might not have been the first to feature open-ended gameplay per se, but it did what it did well, and was responsible for a revolution of sorts in that respect.

Its not revolutionary, it just put a lot of ideas from a ton of games into one game, and it actually worked

But can't that be said of just about any game out these days? There's hardly a completely original title to be found, and even those that rise above the rest and dare to do something different draw at least a bit of inspiration from games to come before.

I would say that GTA was revolutionary in that it caused developers to wake up and realise that thier games didn't have to be linear, point-A-to-point-B affairs.

[Roux!]

Its not revolutionary, it just put a lot of ideas from a ton of games into one game, and it actually worked

I already said that... Long ass post way back in last page, remember...?

[Huey Kruthas]

This is the same way I think people take GTA III...people think the game changed games forever, all it did was become popular and insure that future game companies would copy its style. It wasn't the first game to give you freedom in a game world...im not saying I hate the game but its way overrated.

Man, I said that same thing (or meant that) in a thread in general gaming about GTA III, and got yelled at by GundamGuy, who apparently disagreed with me.

http://www.emuparadise.org/vbulletin...7&page=5&pp=15

[Cyberxion]

Man, I said that same thing (or meant that) in a thread in general gaming about GTA III, and got yelled at by GundamGuy, who apparently disagreed with me.

http://www.emuparadise.org/vbulletin...7&page=5&pp=15

No, that was me.

GTA opened developers eyes to open-ended gameplay. Perhaps they weren't the first to bring it to the table, but when they brought it, they brought it with style, and of course it's style was aped. If it's sucessful, then of course it's gonna be copied.

[Psyonide]

That's a good point. Hype or not, a good game is a good game is a good game... But I never said HALO wasn't, I just said I didn't find it to be the best out there...

Fair enough, I think we both misunderstood each other a bit. I thought you were saying that HALO was shit, which I disagree with, and you seem to think that I'm saying HALO is 'legendary' (etc), which I'm not. I agree that HALO was way over-rated and over-hyped, but it was still a quite good game once you got past the mythical status it has aqquired.
You seem to not like FPS in general, which I can accept (even though I love them so ), and I suppose that would drag your opinion of it down even further by default.

Ah well, I guess thats all sorted then.

[Roux!]

GTA opened developers eyes to open-ended gameplay. Perhaps they weren't the first to bring it to the table, but when they brought it, they brought it with style, and of course it's style was aped. If it's sucessful, then of course it's gonna be copied.

The only bad thing about open-ended gameplay is that the design doesn't fit all genres and there's not much space to evolve from there, except fitting in a few extra details here and there... So then all GTA knock-offs are just that -- Knock-offs...

Oh, uh... What the hell is my point...? Dunno... I can't think of one...

I prefer Shenmue's F.R.E.E.E. style... Much better than GTA's...

Fair enough, I think we both misunderstood each other a bit. I thought you were saying that HALO was shit, which I disagree with, and you seem to think that I'm saying HALO is 'legendary' (etc), which I'm not. I agree that HALO was way over-rated and over-hyped, but it was still a quite good game once you got past the mythical status it has aqquired.
You seem to not like FPS in general, which I can accept (even though I love them so ), and I suppose that would drag your opinion of it down even further by default.

Ah well, I guess thats all sorted then.

Oh yeah, my comments were more geared towards those people who DO consider HALO the stuff of legends... So... Appology issued!!

But I just wanna say I do like FPS games... Though some get tiresome pretty quickly...

[BloodyEnigma]

Ah well, I'm back from a much anticipated self-destructive weekend to see
that the conversation has dulled down, so there is no point in me keeping up
this charade of mine.

Insulting you good people was not my intention. I fail to see how I could of
done so since I do not know anyone of you and have no reason to either
insult your intelligence or be condescending in any way. It was all just for my
personal enjoyment. I suppose that placing smilies and other verbal hints
would of conveyed my motives to you, but then it would not have been as
entertaining. It seems that KONAMI Man got a little kick out of it and I had
assumed that it would of been the same for the others. Though I am surprised
of Cyberxion's early reaction, since he had not participated in our back-and-
forth. Truth be told, I do like Halo but not enough for long-winded and
argumentative conversations. Nor do I care whether someone may like the
game or not. There were hardly any pertinent points of discussion in my
posts, as they were more cocky and colorful than anything else. Now if you
will excuse me, I have a very dreadful hangover that I must tend to.

[DomonX]

your just like me, i just argue against other people for fun. it got me bann from many sites and boards though. but ow well, there is infinite others out there, like this one.

anyway, many people who play games today aren't gamers, they just play the latest things that every game mag. and website lable a must have. GTA, HALO, the madden series. it seems that every single sequal to those kind of games get a great rating, from everyone. now it seems like a taboo to bad mouth those games. all this is due to peer pressure. i think that real gamers are people who play games because they really like, not because everyone else thinks its cool. final fantasy for example had work really hard to get to its status as one of the biggest rpg. many people say they are getting old and repetitive, those people are the ones that only play games that are the newest fad. final fantasy can be 12 different games and no one would even notice.

well i add my 2 cent, take it how you want it, its the 21st century, there is no true and false, bad and good, black and white, right and wrong, its all relative.

deep thoughs, by domonx

[Psyonide]

"many people say they are getting old and repetitive, those people are the ones that only play games that are the newest fad."

Bollocks. I've been playing games since I could tap on a keyboard, back with our 286( and when my brother got it set up, the C64), and I have to agree that the Final Fantasy games are more trash than treasure these days. They stopped making great games and started making marketable games, pure and simple. You talk about these game franchises that have become 'untouchable', that no-one dares criticise because of peer-pressure, yet then start talking about FF games as if they were the one exception of the rule. Well they're not, they fit into that catagory with all the rest. Moreso than the rest, perhaps, because FF started with fairly humble roots, as mass-market games go.
Still, this is entirely subjective of course, and I doubt that I'm going to change any hard-core fan's views.