A Game To Feature The 9/11 Attack

[Josh]

I think what he was saying is that the reason it isn't as bad to portray D-Day is because there are not many people left that remember it that well. It is also part of a war that forever changed the scope of the world. The VFW (Vetran's of Foreign Wars) even supports some WWII games and says they contain educational value such as the game Band or Brothers I think.

The reason this is very controversial is that 9/11 wasn't in a war. It was innocent civilians that lost their lives including many children. This is what sets this apart from something like D-day. When an act of terror kills thousands of innocent people including children it is different. It is also still very fresh in people's minds. It will be on the scale of Pearl Harbor when everyone remembers where they were when they heard the news. I still remember it like yesterday.

[karragh]

I think what he was saying is that the reason it isn't as bad to portray D-Day is because there are not many people left that remember it that well. It is also part of a war that forever changed the scope of the world. The VFW (Vetran's of Foreign Wars) even supports some WWII games and says they contain educational value such as the game Band or Brothers I think.

The reason this is very controversial is that 9/11 wasn't in a war. It was innocent civilians that lost their lives including many children. This is what sets this apart from something like D-day. When an act of terror kills thousands of innocent people including children it is different. It is also still very fresh in people's minds. It will be on the scale of Pearl Harbor when everyone remembers where they were when they heard the news. I still remember it like yesterday.

mhmm... and what about the afore mentioned battle of sommes, half of those people were innocent drafties,
and for the record, i don't remember where i was when i heard about sept.11, but I do remember where I was when i heard they wre making a Front Mission 4. My point? remembering where you were when something happens meens didly squat in terms of improtance.

[Cyberxion]

Do you actually absorb anything that's written here, or do you just skim over it quick enough to form some bullshit counterpoint?

[karragh]

Do you actually absorb anything that's written here, or do you just skim over it quick enough to form some bullshit counterpoint?

yeesh.
listen, if you want to say my counterpoints are bull shit, that is fine(infact, they likely are, as i am very tired and not thinking properly), but I should think that you would give a reason as to how they are bullshit, instead of just saying they are so.

[Cyberxion]

Well, you counter everyone's responses with nonsence about how Americans don't care about anything unless it happens to them, and by saying the 9-11 attacks aren't that big a deal because the body count wasn't all that big. That's pretty much bullshit as far as I'm concerned.

You do have some good points, but when you say shit like that, it's hard to take you seriously.

[karragh]

Well, you counter everyone's responses with nonsence about how Americans don't care about anything unless it happens to them, and by saying the 9-11 attacks aren't that big a deal because the body count wasn't all that big. That's pretty much bullshit as far as I'm concerned.

You do have some good points, but when you say shit like that, it's hard to take you seriously.

I'm not trying to say Americans don't care about anything unless it happens to them, more I'm trying to say that they care more if it happens to them, as any country does.
My main point in that area was supposed to be something along the lines that we wouldn't be discussing the big contraversy behind having september 11th in the game if it had happened in paraguay, or some other country. Which is not to say that americans wouldn't care about it, but it wouldn't be considered as big a controversy to them.

[Cyberxion]

I'm not trying to say Americans don't care about anything unless it happens to them, more I'm trying to say that they care more if it happens to them, as any country does.
My main point in that area was supposed to be something along the lines that we wouldn't be discussing the big contraversy behind having september 11th in the game if it had happened in paraguay, or some other country. Which is not to say that americans wouldn't care about it, but it wouldn't be considered as big a controversy to them.

Right. And that would mean that you've totally missed the posts in which I said I believed that this game was a bad idea all around, but that it was the 9-11 attacks that threw it over the realm of a bad idea into the realm of bad taste, eh? Good job...

[karragh]

Right. And that would mean that you've totally missed the posts in which I said I believed that this game was a bad idea all around, but that it was the 9-11 attacks that threw it over the realm of a bad idea into the realm of bad taste, eh? Good job...

we arn't talking about just your posts though now are we. there has been more people in this thread then just you and me, huh, imagine that.
I posted in reply to several other people, and you are trying to seem clever by pointing out I missed a point I never missed? interesting....

[Cyberxion]

we arn't talking about just your posts though now are we. there has been more people in this thread then just you and me, huh, imagine that.
I posted in reply to several other people, and you are trying to seem clever by pointing out I missed a point I never missed? interesting....

No shit sherlock, but you continue to speak as if this is a sentiment shared by all Americans, when it should be clear even to you that there's at least one here who doesn't think in those terms. I pointed this out, because you seem to have refused to acknowledge that. Could it be that you don't want to backpeddle on your stance? Interesting, cause you pretty much already have a couple times. First it was that we don't care unless it happens to us, now it's we don't care as much if it doesn't happen to us.

Which might I point out would be pretty much true of any country out there. If something happens directly to you, it impacts you far more then it would if it happened in another country. It doesn't mean that you don't care, just that it doesn't hit home as hard as when it hits home, you follow?

What I find tired and offensive is that you'd peg that as a purely American trait. Though I suppose these days it's pretty popular to give us shit for everything, even if it's something that everyone's guilty of.

And I'm not trying to seem clever, I am clever. Try and keep up.

[karragh]

No shit sherlock, but you continue to speak as if this is a sentiment shared by all Americans, when it should be clear even to you that there's at least one here who doesn't think in those terms. I pointed this out, because you seem to have refused to acknowledge that. Could it be that you don't want to backpeddle on your stance? Interesting, cause you pretty much already have a couple times. First it was that we don't care unless it happens to us, now it's we don't care as much if it doesn't happen to us.

Look back at my earlier posts, I don't recall ever saying anything negative american, I recall saying something to one member about recognizing other countries, but that was responding to one person, not all americans.
and I also never said that you wouldn't care, once again these are words that you are putting in my mouth, and yet basing your entire arguement on, when I never said them.

The closest I came to saying that was in my line about the quote from airframe, where the quote I refered to was explaining about how Americans hear alot more about their own disasters, and there for don't think about other's as much(as any country does)...... Interesting, I am, like, so anti-american eh?
Granted I didn't say that line how I ment to, but most people can see I didn't meen it exactly as it sounds, it was a miss typing of my words, as I said, I hadn't slept for near 6 days i think....
I said the words, "As american's do", not because I beleived it was a solely american trait, but because america was the only country we were talking about at the moment.

What I find tired and offensive is that you'd peg that as a purely American trait. Though I suppose these days it's pretty popular to give us shit for everything, even if it's something that everyone's guilty of.

Which might I point out would be pretty much true of any country out there. If something happens directly to you, it impacts you far more then it would if it happened in another country. It doesn't mean that you don't care, just that it doesn't hit home as hard as when it hits home, you follow?

seems you were the one not paying attention.... read what I said earlier:

I'm not trying to say Americans don't care about anything unless it happens to them, more I'm trying to say that they care more if it happens to them, as any country does

as you can see, I already made the point that it was true of any country.