An email I got about- Allah or Jesus? A true story

[EGGO]

Certainly not the people in Rapture Ready, and they're ultra-conservatives.

[jace]

I am still waiting for a reply to the 30 questions, and those questions that hard to answer? And saying false info does not count. But people are defending what they do not know what it fully is. How can Muslims defend and want non Muslims to understand if they do not know what they are defending well and can not justify the action of what they are defending? Many people are willing to learn to understand but many Muslims can not answer, so if the email is not true the essence of it is, since I see it happening again in the post. So many chances to reply, and "many" are still waiting for a reply and are wondering if they will get a just answer.

Here is an interesting article Israel to Christians, Muslims, and atheists
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=4233
"What is more, the Christian population of the West Bank is not being treated as hospitably by Yasser Arafat�s colleagues as, say, the Muslim population of Detroit is being treated."

"I know our government tells us that Islam is a very tolerant and pious religion, but I see many signs that it is neither."

"Against the will of Jews and Christians, who judge it sacred, and of archaeologists, who consider it worthy of careful study, these religious bigots are carting away tons of ancient earth to build a huge mosque for political purposes. They are defiling a sacred and archaeologically invaluable location on a 3,000-year-old site to establish a political claim to the site, and no one is stopping them. The desecration is not unprecedented. "

As many see and can�t answer the Muslims build their holy on top of others holy places which does not show tolerance or respect for others and those are not acts of peace.

If you missed the point, it seems that the email is �true� in a way since the questions that were presented can not be answered, which that is what �many� see it as when they go unanswered.

[EGGO]

They're not actually hard to answer jace, you can easily turn them around towards christianity.

[madcrow]

you easily turn them around to just about any religion with the possible exceptions of buddism and native american spirtualism

[jace]

Originally posted by EGGO
They're not actually hard to answer jace, you can easily turn them around towards christianity.

If they are so easy to answer how come they could not be answered? Also it can�t be used the other way since that is debatable and the ones that cant answer don't know the religion well or don't know history well.

Are you saying Muslims want people to not understand and not clear things up intentionally, and cop and out saying they can be answered without any good answer ever? One person tried to answer and he said inaccurate things. Do you want people not to know the proper answer if their is one???

People want to know and the so called people that say they can answer don't and then wonder why so many assume bad things about it? Either they can be answered of they can�t, and not answer show.

Is O'Reilly wrong for saying this after reasing international reports?

Bill O'Reilly (April 7, 2004) �"hot spots" where Muslims cause 90% of the world's conflicts by attacking non-Muslims - the Balkans, Nigeria, the Sudan, Egypt, Israel, Iraq, Iran, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines. "And the list goes on and on," he noted�

90% That must be fake right? And maybe conflict means peaceful and attack means interaction.

[Xaenn]

You know that even though they might not be too difficult to answer, who can be bothered to type up that much? I know people already answered some of them as well.

And fyi, all media is biased, so therefore unless you are getting information from a lot of different sources, your info is biased.

[EGGO]

Originally posted by jace
If they are so easy to answer how come they could not be answered? Also it can�t be used the other way since that is debatable and the ones that cant answer don't know the religion well or don't know history well.

Well not to nitpick, but it seems that you base your facts off of whatever anybody says instead of investigating it yourself.

And I was most definately working on a reply since I don't know how many pages ago, but I just decided that it was idiotic even trying to talk to someone like you, you proved your closed-mindedness the first post you ever typed in this thread.

I'm not muslim, but lemme see if we can get your credibility back.

Originally posted by jace
Hey Tairou
I am asking questions. Some are insulting. Those are not my question only but the world which no one can answer.

I don't think you should put yourself too high up on the totem pole when people who aren't into religion can't answer them. Why don't you read the book yourself, as many of us do with the bible to see what it says. After that, go to a Non-Abrahamic board that can probably answer this.

Originally posted by jace
If this was in a court of law and all you can say its racist which is not your argument would be thrown out.

In a court of law, they wouldn't discuss religion.

Like one of the questions were both Christ and Mohamed said to imitate them, but what Mohamed did you and the modern Muslim religion is against. I mostly hear is changing of the topic and dirty mouths and if that's the best defense how can you convince the world when you don't honestly know the answer and defend it without knowing it all?

Fine, then I'll answer some of your questions with other questions.

1Did he have many wives even though the religion says not to?

Did Jesus have a wife, does priests engage in sexual acts, did Noah get drunk

2Dent it says not to kill but in recorded history from the surrounding countries have that killed Jew and Christians?

I'm sure already one sees how, in history, christians, even most today (a good example is the Republican Party), ignore that rule in Exodus.

3Did they not enslave others and force them to convert?

Christians did the same, and missionaries today fit the bill of trying to convert people.

4You say the Koran says does not say kill, but sites that teach the Koran say it, so is their 2 versions?

Well there certainly is more than 2 versions of christianity. There are Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Coptic, Methodist, Baptist, Baptist Free Will, Southern Baptist, Disciples of Christ, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Episcopalian, Church of Christ, Apostolic, Assembly of God, Christian Science, Full Gospel, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Nazarene, Pentecostal, and Seventh Day Adventist groups all calling themselves Christian. (Did I leave anyone out?) And each of these churches has "reformed" or "evangelical" branches within the main categories. Why are there so many? You all disagree on so many important issues, such as saints, the Pope, birth control, baptism and so on. If Christianity is the One True Religion, how can you not all agree on everything? If the Revealed Word in the New Testament is correct, how come no one knows what it says? Why is there not one, single Christian Church?

5Isn’t this a Muslim site? http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/TOPICI.HTM

Whether or not I'm Muslim, I'm pretty sure that a single site that claims it is part of a religion doesn't stand for all of it. It's just as much as a muslim site as http://www.fixedearth.com/ is a christian site

And right there I just stopped.

[jace]

I�m back, I was away for a bit to reply.

Xaenn
Isn�t it well worth to type up answers so that people understand it better? Isn�t it a good reason to reply so that people understand so they won�t attack it or defend it unjustly? The media is biased but the reports I say are from a while range of countries and news organizations which you can�t say everyone is biased.

Eggo
Isn�t that a bit close minded to not understand the other point of view and throw around the worked close minded? Open your mind to understand the other and stay on the question than getting off track since your questions did not answer anything. If the majority of the world wants to know why and you say people that the majority if close minded and cant answer anything then you are either encouraging them to be close minded in your view, or you don't know the answer and attack everyone. It�s nice to know u try to answer but you can�t answer them and we know that since not even many of the Muslim experts can answer which is why many government officials pay more attention to Muslim groups.
The ones that try to see everything as equal are close minded. Have you heard of the 3 monkeys of see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil? Remember some ideologies are not good and that does not mean that the people want to do bad but are mislead. If government agencies all over the world say the same thing and know more about it than the average person like you and I then does that mean we know better to say otherwise? Is their a global conspiracy? Come on lets not make conspiracy theories without any evidence which is why many say those things about the Muslim religion since there are no good evidences to defend it.

In reply to what you said.
The experts can�t answer but you can try and going to �try� and get answer. They put so called Muslim experts on TV in a debate and they can�t answer most of the question or get off topic like this forum.

Answering question with other questions shows that you can�t answer the question. But ill answer your question since you want to know.
1 Christ did not have a wife, depends on what Christian sect if the priest has sex, but the original Christianity which Catholicism is not the priest do have sex but not the monks or bishops which they do not interact with the general public.

2 Again you can�t generalize Christians since some Christian sects like Catholicism sometimes goes against what Christ said and their main language is not the main language of what Christ spoke. It�s like having the Koreans having the main Christian sect even though their language is way off from what the New Testament was written in. The Church does not consider itself republican or democrat which is why when John Kerry talked about religion the republicans said he cant do that and the church said that he can so its not about sides. But the republican party does try to hold Christian values since the modern civilized society is made by those rules and countries with the foundation of Islam look like war zones like 3rd world countries and people do not have a lot of freedom.

3 If you believe Christ enslaved people then I know you are not just close minded but ignorant and you just like to talk nonsense. Even the bible says to lead the hours to water but don't force it and whoever does force is just as bad as the Muslim religion that encourages people to be forced. Like I said before depends on the Christian sect. I gave an example before about the crusades in why it happened maybe you missed it in how they didn�t care for religion but used religion to get the people to act. Do you know that the catholic religion seems to be the Christian religion that says the most sorry to other Christian sects. Lol It�s kind of like someone starting fights under your name even though you are against their action.

4 If you dad has 5 kids and all his kids act different, does that mean your dad does not know what he is saying since all his kids act different from what he says except one? Many Christian sects do not care for religion and do it for financial reasons to get a piece of the action. Some of the Christian churches so acknowledge the other as greater and are the same even though they have a different name, but the majority think like most that they can edit what they want and make up their own Christian religion. Religion is a big business and many want to get more people and the majority that are in charge do it for the money or they do not know and think they can explain things better. What is the right Christian religion is for you to research and if you do then you care for the truth and if you don't then you never did care so why get the answer? If you would like to talk about this more in private then send me a message.

5 you can search the other sites as well and not just the one I sent you. Or go buy the book if you want, the point was not about to see the site but to see the content of the book and if you want to go to Afghanistan and read a official translation then go their if you want.

[edwardtoh]

Did anyone else get this email? I heard it lataly being popular. I figure some would be interested but if you you think it is not ok since they talk about this issue on TV as well, but if its not ok then then you can close the post.

Well here is what was said:

"The Muslim religion in the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States, especially in the minority races!!!
Allah or Jesus?
by Rick Mathes

Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training
session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their belief
systems.

I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video.

After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.

When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked:
"Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"

There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he
replied, "Non-believers!"

I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?"

The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He sheepishly replied, "Yes."

I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to Heaven!" The Imam was speechless.

I continued, "I also have problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah who tells you to kill me in order to go to Heaven or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be with me?"

You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.

Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslim's beliefs.

I think everyone in the US should be required to read this, but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized. Please pass this on to all your email contacts.

This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well known leader in prison ministry. "

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also an added comment to it
"The Muslim religion is messed up. Scholars compared to Hitler’s book which is the #1 best seller in their country. Muslims were on the side of Hitler in the war just like those the Catholics that killed many other Christian sects. Remember action speaks louder than words.

Even their so called prophet killed and had many wives which the so called Koran says it is against. The Turks and other Muslims have enslaved and killed throughout the centuries. Look at their actions. The most violent country in the world and stone age one is the Muslim Countries. The Muslims religion says to spread out and have many kids to have power which is what they are doing. They forcefully convert others.

If the foundation is not good then the rest is not good. They do not tolerate other religions and we tolerate there stupid ideology, which since they are over populating and taking control and making everyplace like a 3rd world undeveloped country like theirs. A good Muslim is a Muslim that does not follow his religion well and the Muslim countries do not tolerate another religion unlike a Christian country. Christ warned about a false prophet and said that nothing else should be added on to what he said. The religion is not peace when it the imam calls for a Fatwa or however you call it, to tell people to kill another. Ha talk about free speech and taking to find a peace full way to deal with things.
Some people are good but the religion has many contradictions.

More info here at www.jtf.org Which says more and an example on how in the Koran it tells a story about how Mohammed lied to tribe about peace to wiped them out. The site has aided in political campaigns and gave money to victims of Muslim suicide bombers even though the Muslim countries praise the bombers by showing pictures of them on the streets."

it is this kind of remarks which make people from different religions go against each other. by the way i'm a christian and i also have many muslim friends. and i bet they can swear they have no desire to kill me...

[Xena]

Threads over a year old dude.... or something.

[Dingy]

Shitzies. This is old.

[Schutzstaffel]

Hey guys I'm posting in an old thread!

[Dingy]

OMG!You have sinnered Schutzstaffel (and I just quivered just at being able to write that; )

[Elmdor]

No, you're not. LIAR I SAY!

I do think that the islamic belief is fucked up in several ways. More than the christian actually. Perhaps I'm simple-minded but I do find this pretty funny.

Edit: Dingy was too fast for me *wobba wobba*

[Cosmic]

Old thread *yawn*. Closed...