Re: An email I got about- Allah or Jesus? A true story
Hmmm i too am offended by this statement that u have posted, i'm a muslim, and what i have been taught by my imam is nothing to what this imam has said. My fellow emuparadisians were right when they said that this imam knows nothing of what he said. Let me try and get rid of this conflct. You see Allah has told us the way to heaven is to follow the five pillars of Islam which is 1.) SHAHAADAH which means there is no God but Allah and prophet muhammad (P.B.U.H) is the last and final messenger of AllahOriginally posted by jace
Did anyone else get this email? I heard it lataly being popular. I figure some would be interested but if you you think it is not ok since they talk about this issue on TV as well, but if its not ok then then you can close the post.
Well here is what was said:
"The Muslim religion in the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States, especially in the minority races!!!
Allah or Jesus?
by Rick Mathes
Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training
session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their belief
systems.
I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video.
After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.
When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked:
"Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"
There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he
replied, "Non-believers!"
I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?"
The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He sheepishly replied, "Yes."
I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to Heaven!" The Imam was speechless.
I continued, "I also have problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah who tells you to kill me in order to go to Heaven or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be with me?"
You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.
Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslim's beliefs.
I think everyone in the US should be required to read this, but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized. Please pass this on to all your email contacts.
This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well known leader in prison ministry. "
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also an added comment to it
"The Muslim religion is messed up. Scholars compared to Hitler’s book which is the #1 best seller in their country. Muslims were on the side of Hitler in the war just like those the Catholics that killed many other Christian sects. Remember action speaks louder than words.
Even their so called prophet killed and had many wives which the so called Koran says it is against. The Turks and other Muslims have enslaved and killed throughout the centuries. Look at their actions. The most violent country in the world and stone age one is the Muslim Countries. The Muslims religion says to spread out and have many kids to have power which is what they are doing. They forcefully convert others.
If the foundation is not good then the rest is not good. They do not tolerate other religions and we tolerate there stupid ideology, which since they are over populating and taking control and making everyplace like a 3rd world undeveloped country like theirs. A good Muslim is a Muslim that does not follow his religion well and the Muslim countries do not tolerate another religion unlike a Christian country. Christ warned about a false prophet and said that nothing else should be added on to what he said. The religion is not peace when it the imam calls for a Fatwa or however you call it, to tell people to kill another. Ha talk about free speech and taking to find a peace full way to deal with things.
Some people are good but the religion has many contradictions.
More info here at www.jtf.org Which says more and an example on how in the Koran it tells a story about how Mohammed lied to tribe about peace to wiped them out. The site has aided in political campaigns and gave money to victims of Muslim suicide bombers even though the Muslim countries praise the bombers by showing pictures of them on the streets."
2.) SALAAH, which means the five daily prayers. 3.)ZAKAAH, which means the payment of Charity. 4.) SIYAAM, fasting during the month of Ramadaan, and 5.) HAJJ, Pilgrimage to Makkah or in english Mecca. These are THE ways to go to Heaven for a muslim. Now as i read your full essay there, i have noticed that not once did the imam mention that the five pillars of Islam are the way to heaven??? When infact the prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) and Allah cleary says that these are the ways to heaven, so there is my proof of how the imam had no clue of what he was talking about.
Second Jihad doesn't mean War like the people are missinterpreting it to be. Jihad means to strive in the way of Allah, it means any good thing you do is jihad, you go to school, for ur intentions to be for learning, that is jihad, you go to work to support your family, that is jihad, so u see jihad means to strive for good things in the way of Allah. That is the meaning of jihad. Also the people say that Jihad means (Holy war) it is not a holy war, it is to strive in the way of Allah. The term holy war came into existent by the cruisaders when they were going on their ethnic cleansing so to speak. They made it up. Prophet muhammad (P.B.U.H) said there is nothing Holy about war it is wrong and it should be avoided if it can be avoided. It is just osama bin laden who is an extremists doesn't know what he is talking about, he aint a true muslim, for what he has done. killing innocent people in the name of God, that is not what Allah has thought us to do.
Second you said that Prophet muhammad (P.B.U.H) was a war crazy terrorist man, let me tell you why he had to fight, it wasn't his choice to fight, what happened was, during the time Prophet muhammad was spreading islam, the word of God, there were alot of people who hated this namely the Quraish the highest tribe at that time, they were governing mecca. What happened was they were unhappy about the word of God, because it was going against their idol worshipping religion, they got angry at this and tried to stop prophet muhammad, and the muslims, numerous of times. They started the war agaisnt the muslims because they didn't like what prophet Muhammad was preaching which was peace, and the oneness of Allah . Never, and i mean never did the prophet start a war he never believed in it, it was always the Quraish trying to get rid of the muslims, so obviously Allah permitted them to defend themselves against the Quraish because they had no other choice, the Quraish only know to set their problems by war, and u are aloud to defend, any religion you see God says you are allowed to defend your selves when u are being attacked, but i have only permitted defence, not to start a war, for starting a war i am totally against. This is in the Torah, and the bible, to defend your property, to defend what is cleary yours. So people saying that prophet muhammad (P.B.U.H) was a terrorist because he faught wars don't even know the beginning in why the wars were faught, they just see something they don't like without finiding out the truth and judge it. When Allah has clearly stated in the Quran, in the Bible, in the Torah do not judge anybody until u are certain of the truth.
Third The part about prophet muhammad having more than one wife. Okay this one once again, people judge without reading the history. What happened was during the wars that the muslims were defending, against the Quraish, fellow muslim brothers died obviously, it is not possible in any war for every single body to come out alive, there are bound to be deaths. So some muslims who died left behind wives, children, and at that time men were the dominant roles in working, women were to stay at home and take care of the house. But once the women lost their husbands, who was to take care of them??? women when they lost their husbands back then, some with low morale went to prostitutions, thought that this was the only way to feed their kids, so Prophet Muhammad took them in to show them the right path, not to molest them, and to use them as sex tools. ( Oh my God that was the hardest thing for me to say, i hope Allah forgives me for what i said there, but i have to say it to cear it.) Did u know that the women who were taken in by the prophet turned out to be one of the best leading examples for muslim women example lady Aisha, (may God be pleased with her) was called the mother of the believers, and this was one of the wives taken in by prophet muhammad, tell me could she have been a good role model for muslim women, and believers, till this day if she wasn't taken in by prophet muhammad??? Oh yes and let the record be known that prophet muhammad, took in other women after his first wife lady Khadijah (may God be pleased with her) passed away. He did not take in wives when his first wife was still living. And also The rule states if you are to take in more than one wife u are to treat them all equally, all the same level. not one better than the other, this is what prophet muhammad did, he treated them all equally. before he went to one of the wives house he would ask the other respected wives of his, if he could go there. He did not go and say ahhh this is my wife i'll do what ever i want, who cares about the rest. NO never. So once again this is what i mean by people judging things before they even know the truth. He also spread what ever he had equally to all of his wife, if one has a house, the others have a house, if prophet muhammad (P.B.U.H) bought jewelry for one of the wives, he bought the same equivalent for the other wives. so this is the rule if you are to have more than one wife, to spread everything equally among each one of them, and to treat them all with equal love and kindness, but muslims now torment this rule, and just take it for granted as well, Osama bin laden is one, he has 20 wives and he doesn't even treat them all equally, he treats them like sex slaves, something which the prophet said not to do. He often talked about how important a women is too a man, and how she is his equal partner, just like every other prophet before him Jesus, Moses, Abraham Peace be upon each and every one of them preached. Prophet muhammad also said a women is soo important, that if you were to try and locate heaven it is beneath their feet, this is how important a women is to a man in Islam. So do u think prophet muhammad (P.B.U.H) is still a crazy, terrorist preacher???
Prophet muhammad (P.B.U.H) really spread peace, and never wanted to fight it was his last resort, and it was under defence not to start a war. If you say defending a country, defending your people, defending your religion, from people, like the quraish who start attacking you. Then we might as well say that the Canadian soldiers who faught in WW2 to protect their land, were terroists as well, and the Americans who faught to protect their land in WW2 were terrorists as well, but they are not right. They defended their land, just like the muslims were doing, how can you now say the muslims are terrorists and the Canadians and Americans are not??? wouldn't that be a hypocrite talking???
You see the reason why the imam in the article above said that killing infadels will let you go into Heaven is because of these stupid schools of thought and future imams are spreading and this is not part of Islam, because the schools of thought came after prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) the prophet told us to follow Allah and his books, the Quran, and to Follow all the prophets which is including himself who is the last and final messenger and seal of prophets. As well , these imams who are spreading these extreme messages by schools of thought are not helping the muslims it is not right, it is why it is dviding muslims agaisnt each other. Follow Allah, his books, and the prophets that is it. So in conclusion the Imam up there did not know what he was saying and may not be a proper understanding muslim.
PHEEEEEEEEEEW well thats about it, sorry for that loooong thread. I wonder if i left anything out???? Oh yes don't cuss at Jace, and yell at him he made a mistake as a muslim forgive and do not let your temper get a hold over you. That is another aspect prophet muhammad preached, he told the muslims not to let your anger prosper over you. He always smiled and never frowned, the prophet never yelled, he always spoke in a soft gentle way, so not to alarm people. This is the way muslims should behave and not get your anger propser over you. So let us follow this simple teaching of the prophet and smilesee like that, that wasn't hard was it.
Sooo after all that typing, and trying to sort things out, i'm thirsty, it is also really hot over here, i think i'll go grab a nice cool, refreshing COKE, urrrrrrrr wait a minute i mean a MECCA cola hahahahahaha. Man i crack myself up. Ohhhh mercy.
Oh yes every time i typed (P.B.U.H) it means peace be upon him. Alright later.
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