An email I got about- Allah or Jesus? A true story

[jace]

Which many honestly would like to know. I have Muslim friends but they cant answer a lot and do not know the history. Many Muslims that go on TV can not honestly answer or know the origins of their religion. If it is a peaceful religion is should not make a lot of noise just like the Buddhist, Hindu, Amish, and other religions do. Like the saying goes action speaks louder than words and the Muslim religion can be all that it can say it is but if it can’t control its people then what does that show? I say my car design is better that the rest but if it gives more problems than good that means my design is not good no mater how much I kick and scream how well I may say how good it is. So if the religion is fine then the Imams should do something. Or maybe you are right that the TV is not showing it which I agree on that, but if the entire world has a problems then you can’t blame them all.

I have some questions.
You did not answer about the history of the religion in what Mohammed did.
1Did he have many wives even though the religion says not to?
2Dent it says not to kill but in recorded history from the surrounding countries have that killed Jew and Christians?
3Did they not enslave others and force them to convert?
4You say the Koran says does not say kill, but sites that teach the Koran say it, so is their 2 versions?
5Isn’t this a Muslim site? http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/TOPICI.HTM
6Is Mohammed a good role model and if so why did he marry so many women even though the religion says not to?
7Why is the Imam a target for the US military after the Imam said to fight the Americans after they look out Saddam?
8Why did the Muslim priest (imam?) plan the 1994 bomb at the world trade center?
9Why are almost all Muslim charitable organization in the USA giving money to terrorist like the US government says?
10Why was the professor of Muslim studies and a devoted Muslim in college down south arrested for saying that the Muslims should kill? Which Bill O’Reilly pointed that out and help to arrest him.
11Why is it that TV does not mostly say what you say a lot but rarely and that history books and newspapers of many nations say that?
12Why is it you say that the TV says one side like when it said a Muslims Musk got burned down but does not say that Muslims burned down churches and killed priests?
13Why do Muslims burn down over 100 Christian churches within the past 10 years, like the BBC says?
14Why did they build their holiest place on the same spot when the Christians have theirs and build over Christian churches after they burn them down?
15Why does the nation of Islam say Hitler was a great man, and Farrakhan’s bodyguard making major news as being the sniper?
16Why are many Muslims praising Osama?
17Why was are highly rated and respected people like journalists, political, and religious people saying it like Ann Coulter, Pat Robertson showing reports of Former Muslims telling them about the religion in a negative way and show video from Afghanistan that have masses of people say that? Maybe more Muslims do not know the religion which say that?
18Are the Muslims that they show in the Pat Robertson site fake Muslims to say all the things that were said? http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/israel/
19Why do they say on TV that Saddam is an atheist and he gave the most freedom to other religion to express their beliefs than other Muslim states?
20If the Koran says love where does it say it?
21If the Koran is about peace how come there are more deaths tolls of Muslims killing Jewish civilians?
22Why don't they five a small spec of land out of the vast big land they have to the Jews if they want peace?
23Why do Muslims site say “O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73) Many don't believe in the religion what does that mean?
24 Why aren’t the head Imams of the religion condoning it and taking action than not saying anything?
25Why do Muslims countries have posters of suicide bombers that killed non Muslims and people praise them?
26How way off is the translation of the Koran as you say and how come the people that know the language mostly do the opposite?
27Where is the order and why are their more unanswered question and fingers pointing at the Muslim religion within many counties?
28I think some views and beliefs are bad since not all can be good. I think Winston Churchill said that Mein kampf and the Koran read the same.
29Why did sales of Mein kampf become one of the top sellers in Muslim nations?
30If the Koran is misinterpreted how some people that know the original language are the worst examples and that ones that do not know it and the best?

As for the Koran being part of Christianity.
31Didn’t Christ say not to add on and to not worship openly which isn’t that what they do?
32Did Christ spread the words by killing and did Mohammed spread the words by talking?
33Why is a Jewish guy that is in the Bush campaign saying otherwise?
34Why do they kill more Jews and Christians more than Muslims are killed which many people tell me how their people were slaughtered in ethnic cleansing?
35Why does the BBC news papers and other news agencies in other countries and people out of Kosovo say there is a ethnic cleansing of Serbians now which is not on TV?

36Don't hate the messenger hate me this is what many say and if you want us to answer to others to straighten them out then why not answer them all than get mad and attack?
37Also lets say for the sake of argument that being Christian or Muslim is wrong what would u have to say then? Would someone change their religion and what are the odds of that happening?
38Not likely and people will fight to the end weather they are wrong or right. You have to agree, right?

No wonder there are wars people prefer to get mad and take a gun out than talk. Replying with anger does not show control.
Religion does not turn people against each other its peoples will to follow the right or wrong information. Just reply in an orderly fashion and things will be understandable, verbal attacks does not help an argument but weaken it. I think things will be settled when the questions are answered and apologies for attacking should be said even though no one was attacked.

[KnightofNachos]

Hmmmm, so what religion do you belong to, jace? It must be Christianity, as they are the only ones at war with the Muslims at this time.

[EGGO]

lol, jace, I have a lot more questions about Christianity than what you could ever have for the Muslim religion.

[edit] Ah, seems that Snopes has this e-mail taken care of.

[KnightofNachos]

Originally posted by jace

I have some questions.

I'll answer the questions that I can answer, as I don't waste brain space on religious matters.

2Dent it says not to kill but in recorded history from the surrounding countries have that killed Jew and Christians?

I believe Christians have killed more people than any other religion.

3Did they not enslave others and force them to convert?

Christianity again.

4You say the Koran says does not say kill, but sites that teach the Koran say it, so is their 2 versions?

Again, the bible has multiple "versions" for people to manipulate. The Old Testament's "cure" for anyone was usually a stoning to death.

9Why are almost all Muslim charitable organization in the USA giving money to terrorist like the US government says?

Please state the source that claims "most" of the organizations fund terrorism.

10Why was the professor of Muslim studies and a devoted Muslim in college down south arrested for saying that the Muslims should kill? Which Bill O’Reilly pointed that out and help to arrest him.

Beats me, but nothing you hear on Fox News won't be manipulative and biased.

11Why is it that TV does not mostly say what you say a lot but rarely and that history books and newspapers of many nations say that?

I don't understand your english exactly, but I think it's mainly that we have sources outside of the news sensationalism that the prime-time media shovels out to get ratings.

13Why do Muslims burn down over 100 Christian churches within the past 10 years, like the BBC says?

Cite the article, please.

14Why did they build their holiest place on the same spot when the Christians have theirs and build over Christian churches after they burn them down?

Battle of the Religions. Neither side will be happy until the other is gone.

16Why are many Muslims praising Osama?

Because he fights for thier religion, be it right or wrong.

17Why was are highly rated and respected people like journalists, political, and religious people saying it like Ann Coulter, Pat Robertson showing reports of Former Muslims telling them about the religion in a negative way and show video from Afghanistan that have masses of people say that? Maybe more Muslims do not know the religion which say that?

Ann Coulter and Pat Robertson and not respected by anyone outside the Fundamentalist Christian community. To others, like me, they're seen as perpetrators of hate.

18Are the Muslims that they show in the Pat Robertson site fake Muslims to say all the things that were said? http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/israel/

Pat Robertson is the christian version of Osama.

19Why do they say on TV that Saddam is an atheist and he gave the most freedom to other religion to express their beliefs than other Muslim states?

You still need to name sources, as you seem to be just getting the Right-wing neo-christian republican point of view.

20If the Koran says love where does it say it?

The hell if I know.

21If the Koran is about peace how come there are more deaths tolls of Muslims killing Jewish civilians?

Same thing with the bible.

22Why don't they five a small spec of land out of the vast big land they have to the Jews if they want peace?

Heh, sounds like what Americans did to the Native Americans.

25Why do Muslims countries have posters of suicide bombers that killed non Muslims and people praise them?

We praise anyone that kills an Iraqi or Afghani, don't we?

26How way off is the translation of the Koran as you say and how come the people that know the language mostly do the opposite?

All religions have those that follow it in their own way. Look at the KKK's version of Christianity.

27Where is the order and why are their more unanswered question and fingers pointing at the Muslim religion within many counties?

Because everyone wants to blame someone else, and Muslims are the current scapegoat.

30If the Koran is misinterpreted how some people that know the original language are the worst examples and that ones that do not know it and the best?

The people that would bother reading the archaic writing are already "gone" mentally, heh.

32Did Christ spread the words by killing and did Mohammed spread the words by talking?

It goes both ways.

33Why is a Jewish guy that is in the Bush campaign saying otherwise?

Because he's working for Bush.

34Why do they kill more Jews and Christians more than Muslims are killed which many people tell me how their people were slaughtered in ethnic cleansing?

I suggest you read up on The Crusades.

35Why does the BBC news papers and other news agencies in other countries and people out of Kosovo say there is a ethnic cleansing of Serbians now which is not on TV?

Because we don't care. Iraq is the media circus now. The media has never cared, they just want ratings and money, and Iraq is where it's at now.

37Also lets say for the sake of argument that being Christian or Muslim is wrong what would u have to say then? Would someone change their religion and what are the odds of that happening?

Personally I believe both religions are wrong for what they do to people. The chance of people condemning and reversing what they were taught their entire lives is a hard task.

38Not likely and people will fight to the end weather they are wrong or right. You have to agree, right?

Yep, I just hope they just kill the other religious fanatics and leave the sane people outside of it to have a peaceful world.

No wonder there are wars people prefer to get mad and take a gun out than talk. Replying with anger does not show control.
Religion does not turn people against each other its peoples will to follow the right or wrong information.

What do you think you're doing right now? You've made this post in an attempt to lash out and belittle Muslims.

[Xaenn]

Originally posted by jace

Like the saying goes action speaks louder than words and the Muslim religion can be all that it can say it is but if it can’t control its people then what does that show?

I didn't realize it was a religion's job to control the people that believe it. I guess christianity is doing a damn poor job because it isn't controlling me yet it is what I believe...

Stuff like this is just BS. You can't make a decision on something until you are informed.

[Sting]

Well asnwered nachos... jace u're full of bullshit... the prohpet was allowed to so many wives cuz he was a prophet! also slavery was considered "makruuh" or not liked in our religion...
there aren't 2 versions of the quran u fucking cunt... chekc every quran i nthe world and they'll all be the same..
21If the Koran is about peace how come there are more deaths tolls of Muslims killing Jewish civilians?
cuz they've been forced out of their homes by the these fucking jews that support their country in doind so..
after this question.. I have some of my own questions:
!) Why r u such a fucknut?
2) can u stop being such a jew?
3) Can u actually shut up?
4) can u stop relieng on sites? [as sites may give u false info...u should know dta u fuckwad]

EDIT: srry for being so...so..."flammy" but ithink this bitch deserves it

[Schutzstaffel]

You, sir, make me laugh. XD

[KnightofNachos]

I was reminded of the PS contest I saw that has Fox News as the subject, ahh, there were some really good ones, like:

[J]

Originally posted by Isostealer
Ok.You and Jace are completely undeducated about Islam and are totally biased on your beliefs toward it. You do know that the media is not always right, right?

So, I'll go point by point.
First of all, yes the Prophet was a merchant. But no, he wasn't rich. He didn't have any palaces. All your info. is BS. He didn't talk to Allah, but to the leader of the Angels.

How could you say thast the Propher wat rich. He gave away almost all of his stuff to the poor(charity) and lived off bread and dates. He only had 4 wives, and he did not kill them. In Islam, it is "Sunni"(which means it was done by the Prophet) to have 4 wives. Don't you compare Mohammed to Adolf Hitler, he was like Moses and Jesus (and don't you notice that i am not saying anything negative about them).

And don't forget about how the Christians made the muslim land break apart. We used to be one country but now we are seperated. and under our law, anybody can practice their religion.

Don't start about the suicide bombers. How about the jews attacking the Muslims? they attack them all the time. and how about using three missles to kill a man that was paralyzed and is blind, and has many more problems. How sick is that?

And about people cheering the suicide bombers. Dont the soldiers get cheered when they kill iraqis and afghanis.

Isostealer

This, my friends, was a smart, educated response. Why do we always have to hold these damned debates over religion. I think that these things are the ones that divide our world, such rantings to see who's right or wrong. Damn, grow up! Learn to be tolerant, to respect and to see all things with a sharp eye and an open mind. I have seen fanatics all my life that go to the extremes to let know that they are right, as if this was some kind or competition over who's right or wrong. Please, a debate is good as long as the people in it respect each others point of view and don't start getting offensive.

Christians has scored a lot of wrongs, Muslims too, Buddhists also, and, if you come to see it, everyone wants to impose their damn point of view or belief as a fact. Even history is biased because it is written and translated to the benefit of those who study or translate it. Yes, because it is not all in the name of truth.

This my friends is what separate us from animals... the stupid the human race can be over menial things. instead of firmly holding onto our beliefs, we start tribal fights over things we thought that we already had settled. There are so many factors to take account in these religious and historical debates.

A question... how do we know that what was told to us, what the books say is THE truth..?

Perhaps is faith? All depends on how much do we believe in what we know. Here, I end my rantings. Hope I didn't offend anyone. I believe in God, if anything else has to be said. Why? It is a mystery even to me . Perhaps, faith.

Not all people in a religion are bad. They just try to follow the rules given to them. Like you would, because even atheists have one rule: Prove that God exists and I will believe you. Heh.

[J]

Somebody please end this.

[jace]

You missed the most essential questions. You can not pick and choose you know? Also the ones you answers have "some" Right but I will give you a very good explanation on why some are not, so it would be better if another gives an answer that might be better.

Its my business to know about politics/history/religion since I have the college, research, and life experience, education, and first hand knowledge.

We are trying to resolve questions and attacks are not helping but hurting your argument. Let us calm down and answer calm since better answers will come up which you have to agree.
I would have given another 40 more hard questions but many of the questions have not been answer or you answered by diverting the question.

It is late and I will find time tomorrow if I am around to correct your answer. But you have some good points about Christians but you are generalizing the Christians since even Christians killed Christians like I said but not all Christians killed others and people are not emulating Christ and he never killed, but Mohammed did kill which many Muslims say his way was the way of war, which Muslim historians say.

Negotiation is a good way to get answer and resolve things. Calling names only weakens it. If you can answer then well then great.

[jace]

You missed the most essential questions. You can not pick and choose. Also the ones you answerd are right and wrong which I will give you a very good explanation why tomorrow.

Its my business to know about politics/history/religion since I have the college, research, and life experience, education, and first hand knowledge.

We are trying to resolve questions and attacks are not helping but hurting your argument. Let us calm down and answer calm since better answers will come up which you have to agree.
I would have given another 40 more hard questions but many of the questions have not been answer or you answered by diverting the question.

It is late and I will find time tomorrow if I am around to correct your answer. But you have some good points about Christians but you are generalizing the Christians since even Christians killed Christians like I said but not all Christians killed others and people are not emulating Christ and he never killed, but Mohammed did kill which many Muslims say his way was the way of war, which Muslim historians say.

Negotiation is a good way to get answer and resolve things. Calling names only weakens it.

[madcrow]

jace seems completely uneducated about islam. i don't think we can take anything he says seriously.

[Sting]

I love you isostealer!! Also...I think Jace should be banned and that this thread be closed

[Paladin_Hammer]

Here's something interesting about Muhamad...

Muhamad was a merchant, he knew what set people off and calmed them down. He also "spoke" to Allah. After him and the Allah had their little conversation, he told all Muslims what he had heard, then took over his country. Then, he waged war with the peoples that used to inhabit present day Iraq, Kuwait, Israel, and a few other nations.

Muhamad also, owned A-LOT of land, was very wealthy, has so many desendants that he must have had 6 or so wives, (because every muslim I've ever seen has claimed he/she is a desendant of Muhamad.) The dude also died rich and had more palaces than the combined whole of europe.


Yea thats a savior alright. At least Jesus and Moses put their beliefs to use to free a people from slavery, bring them to peace with others, and left them with good morals such as "thou shall not kill, thou shall not steal," and a few others which I can't remember the exact words to, but I know they were like Thou shall not have pre-merital sex and/or thou shall not drink acholohol. Muhamad sounds more like Adolf Hitler with a beard.

Originally posted by 2H-Dragon
And another thing the muslims(palestinians) helped the britisch government in trade of making one united arabic, the muslims kept their word and the britisch government betrayed them. And why is every1 talking about muslims as a whole (example:not every muslim is in the jihad) , there are diffrent layers you know?! Sow if the America (most people are cristian) attacks, the cristians attack? What kind of bull is this and don't start discusions if you know nothin.

About the British and muslims, did you know that in 1907, years before WWI, the muslims of the Ottoman Empire killed a christian pligrimage to Jewrusalem? The Christians were simply going to Jesus birthplace when they were told to turn around. When they didn't, they wre shot upon until I think it was 208 nuns, and 40 priest were dead. One Nun survived to tell the story, her sisters were killed in prison.

Yea the Muslims are an Honorable people. And about today's world, the Muslims are the ones using suicide bombers to kill Jews.