Who do you want be the next president of the USA?

[Dark Neighbour]

he he he, my boyfriend said this was a fun thread, he was right.

anyways, i think that if the Americans dropped back their weapon count, then many people would be a little less angry with them. i can see where they are going, if there is someone who is giving you the shits (can i say that?) then you are less inclined to say something about it if they have bigger weapons, let alone heaps of them. Im not saying that America should destroy all their weapons. defense, defense, defense, is your motto, right? but i dont think you need THAT many weapons. a couple of nukes is ok, but i think over 5 is too many

[Esememon]

...dude, like, he has a totally bodaciously right-on point here, guys. It's true. But I mean, all of our country's leaders basically know that the goal is to keep other countries from developing into nuclear powers, since that would denote our (the US') authority around the globe and give smaller, oppressed/military-less countries someone to back up against when one of the now-numerous nuclear powers bullies them. Or am I rambling? My brain is so friggin' jumbled right now, I just had to write a Swedish rap and it fell apart on stage. But it was all good. Anyway topic topic. Yes, decipher that for me.

[Schutzstaffel]

Schutzstaffel: I assume that was sarcasm? I wonder what everyone's got against communism. XD

It was sarcastic to a degree.

[mr. paisa]

I simply don't know why does people vote for the Republicans? they just wan't to bomb the whole f*king world or at least to dominate it. I mean, thats cool if your American, but there are lots of people all around the world, the world goes beyond the USA if someone of you haven't noticed it. And with the Republicans, economy hasn't got much better. I don't mind that they've caught Saddam Hussein, the son of a b*tch deserved it. But the WMDs never existed, Bush only wanted to get their oil. And personally some might get offended but the 9/11 thing... well... they played with fire, and dot burned. Did you really expect that you could bomob the whole Middle-East and that they would do nothing? I'm absolutely against terrorism, and Hope that Bin Laden goes down soon. But if you bomb a country, doesn't that makes you a terrorist?

[brit]

paisa is right. i'm glad i'm not republican. like i said before, they are war mongers. and he DID go over there for the oil and because it is really his father running the show here. family grudges are pretty stupid and are even moreso when you and your father are/were presidents that have/had beef with the same guy. come on. you guys HAVE to see this shit. its damn near obvious to DEAD people! i'll leave it at that and allow you to think about it.

[Toto]

America is just going that one step closer to being a fascist state, ala 1984. Everyday I see and hear something more to confirm this fact. And since the whole Cold War thing made everyone cower and cringe and reject communism, then most changes are going to be for the worst. The most left America will go is the middle, which is stupid.

[Dark Neighbour]

Operation Iraqi Liberation... OIL for short...

[Dingy]

Originally posted by Fett aka hmm
Youre first part, I didnt understand at all. What does Bush have to do with Japan?

1) I dont think America thought the USSR was satan. We were enemies, that doesnt mean they were satan. Fanatics is not the right word I think, but is close. The Japanese army was near fanaticism though. Does any one know how many Japanese were captured? I dotn know for certain, but its surprisingly low. They would rather die than be captured. And unfortunately they regarded Allied POW's as less than animals. Interesting article about Japanese soldiers holding out after WWII: http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9709/23/japan.straggler/
2) Explain that again, I dont understand
4) I think its "preposterous" to compare fighting a war over condoms to Iraq. I think that is the worst analogy I have ever seen in my life.

Umm...Bush doesn't have anything to do with Japan!! I'm just pissed off at him!! hehe, I dont know why though!
He's just one of those who would do anything to keep his cowboy hat on!

It's just that America thinks the US human resource base is too goddamn precious! Bush thinks all the world is I dont know...SMALL compared to America. Hope this helps:
http://ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=19470

America did liken the Soviet Union to Satan--http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fa...ence_B_CS.html

The analogy was meant to be preposterous--thats to show you how silly these ventures or "operations" are as America likes to call them!

After launching Operation Desert Storm (January 1991) and Operation Desert Fox (December 1998) they weren't satisfied! Hell America (they) weren't even satisfied when Hans Blix (chairman-UNMOVIC) himself stated that there was no evidence of concealment of WMDs.

On a lighter note--If I had to--I would vote for Megumi

[Fett aka hmm]

I simply don't know why does people vote for the Republicans? they just wan't to bomb the whole f*king world or at least to dominate it. I mean, thats cool if your American, but there are lots of people all around the world, the world goes beyond the USA if someone of you haven't noticed it. And with the Republicans, economy hasn't got much better. I don't mind that they've caught Saddam Hussein, the son of a b*tch deserved it. But the WMDs never existed, Bush only wanted to get their oil. And personally some might get offended but the 9/11 thing... well... they played with fire, and dot burned. Did you really expect that you could bomob the whole Middle-East and that they would do nothing? I'm absolutely against terrorism, and Hope that Bin Laden goes down soon. But if you bomb a country, doesn't that makes you a terrorist?

The WMD's DID EXIST. The question is what happened to them.
When did we bomb the whole the Middle-East?
Bombing a country doesnt necassarily make you a terrorist. I would call it acts of terrorism if
a) It was a group not a country
or
b) If the target was civilians. That doesnt mean that civilians were killed, just that they were targeted.

Originally posted by Dingy
Umm...Bush doesn't have anything to do with Japan!! I'm just pissed off at him!! hehe, I dont know why though!
He's just one of those who would do anything to keep his cowboy hat on!

It's just that America thinks the US human resource base is too goddamn precious! Bush thinks all the world is I dont know...SMALL compared to America. Hope this helps:
http://ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=19470

America did liken the Soviet Union to Satan--http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fa...ence_B_CS.html

The analogy was meant to be preposterous--thats to show you how silly these ventures or "operations" are as America likes to call them!

After launching Operation Desert Storm (January 1991) and Operation Desert Fox (December 1998) they weren't satisfied! Hell America (they) weren't even satisfied when Hans Blix (chairman-UNMOVIC) himself stated that there was no evidence of concealment of WMDs.

On a lighter note--If I had to--I would vote for Megumi

The website: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fa...ence_B_CS.html is excerpts from the book Blowback by Christopher Simpson. I have never heard of the book, but Amazon does carry it: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books
The book must be right because of course everything written down in books and on the internet is right!

[karragh]

Originally posted by Fett aka hmm

The book must be right because of course everything written down in books and on the internet is right!

Of course not, after all, you right stuff on the internet

[Fett aka hmm]

Originally posted by karragh
Of course not, after all, you right stuff on the internet

LOL. Everything I hav writen in this thread is true to the best of my knowledge, and I can back it up with more than one resourse.

[karragh]

Originally posted by Fett aka hmm
LOL. Everything I hav writen in this thread is true to the best of my knowledge, and I can back it up with more than one resourse.

I'm glad too see your taking it lightly instead of taking me too seriously and getting mad.

[Fett aka hmm]

Originally posted by karragh
I'm glad too see your taking it lightly instead of taking me too seriously and getting mad.

You made a valid point about what I said, and I replied to it.I dont see any reason to get mad about it.

[karragh]

Originally posted by Fett aka hmm
You made a valid point about what I said, and I replied to it.I dont see any reason to get mad about it.

Some people take things too personally on the internet, I didn't say you should get mad, I just know that some people would of.

[Jimmy Onestroke]

Haven�t been able to go to the forums lately because of school distractions (writing speeches for a debate next week, 8 minute introduction and 5 minute closing, as well as an English oral assessment that I have to write a 6 minute monologue for�). Anyway, I�ve got plenty to catch up on here.

Originally posted by reagan80
About your "visual aid".............

1. Does this "honest recount" include Gore's request to have absentee ballots from military personnel overseas thrown out and uncounted during the recount fiasco?

Clearly it was only the Dems who had some sort of vested interest in how the voting was counted. Republicans made sure that every effort was made to include all votes blah blah blah you know where I'm going with this. Thing is, the Republicans got away with it, whereas the Democrats didn�t. This isn�t to be confused with a democratic election proceeding as it should.

Originally posted by reagan80
2. Even though the rest of the world knew Iraq had WMD's at one point, liberals love giving Saddam the benefit of the doubt before they ever give it to Bush.

And guess what? If the benefit had been given to Bush, it would have been squandered. It turned out he was lying. There are no WMD in Iraq, and they�ve stopped looking for them. This hasn�t stopped Bush and Cheney from saying every now and then �We found the WMD already, haven�t you been paying attention?� every now and then.

Originally posted by reagan80
3. Liberals love talking about Bush coddling to the so-called "wealthiest one-percent." Liberals don't realize that Democrats want to punish people for their success. Whenever people make a profit in the risky stock market, the Democrats want it taxed. If someone becomes a doctor, engineer, or successful entrepreneur, the Democrats want them taxed heavily so that they can "pay back their fair share" to society. Doctors and engineers worked their a$$es off to get through college or medical school, but liberals love saying that their success wasn't earned and instead claim that it was GIVEN to them by the "little people." Even though the rich have their income taxed most today, Democrats still want to increase their taxes until more than half of their income is taken by the government. Liberals don't know how to read statistics when people are taxed here. First off, a millionaire probably pays around a $100,000 in income taxes annually and got only $12,000 back from the government. A working class employee that probably paid around $150 in income taxes will get a smaller percentage of their money back because they didn't pay as much in taxes as a rich person. Democrats want to have a Robin Hood-like wealth redistribution program. They want the working class guy that paid $150 dollars in taxes to get a $12,000 tax refund and the rich guy to get taxed more while getting nothing back in return. While they're at it, why don't they just kill my family and give our home, money, and possessions to people that are "have-nots" like Lenin did?

It's the proportions that matter. A progressive taxation policy makes it easier for those with lower incomes (and lets face it, this is always going to be a sizeable group) to get by. OMGOMGONH BILL GATES IS SUFFRING HOW TRAGIC BLAHSHDJKDLDD WHERE WILL HE FIND TEH MONEY TO BUY HIS DIAMOND COASTERS AND SMALLPOX SPORES NOW KALOO KALLAY. He�s rich. Giving or taking from him an extra few thousand dollars will make no impact on his life at all. It does for those who aren�t as well off. And just remember, not every rich person has earned their wealth�

Moving right along... if education receives greater subsidising (ONO COMMUNISM HO CHI MINH IS IN ON IT) then it will be easier for Doctors and the like to get the training they need without having to pay exorbitant fees. This can be done with tax money.

Justification for Communism comes from a simple analogy. There is a factory owner, and there are hundreds of factory workers. The factory owner does very little, the workers do a lot, and the two groups get paid in inverse amounts to how much work they actually do. These are the �little people� you speak of. Marxism was born as the solution to this problem, in a world where poverty was much more rampant in first-world countries than today, and working conditions harsher. Robin Hood was a good guy, remember�?

Originally posted by reagan80
4. Bush served in the Air National Guard. What's wrong with that? Did you think the Vietnamese were the only problem during the Cold War? Did you think that the USSR wasn't a potential threat to the US? After all, the National Guard was meant to maintain defense of the homeland from invasion especially from the Soviets.

Actually, the fact that he served in the Air National Guard rather than actually shipping out to Vietnam isn't what the cartoon was commenting on. It was a reference to the fact that he went AWOL during a hefty chunk of the time he was supposed to be serving in the National Guard in Alabama. So um, yeah. Thumbs up on the sidestep to a non-issue, although there are plenty of choice quotes by Bush on that non-issue too.

Bush said the following to a reporter of the Houston Chronicle in 1994: "I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun in order to get a deferment, nor was I willing to go to Canada, so I chose to better myself by learning how to fly airplanes."

He certainly sounds to me as if he had the Soviets in his sights all along.

Originally posted by reagan80
5. Just keep telling yourself that cliche about the "lying Fascist that stole the election with daddy's help" if it makes you feel better................

The reason the saying has become clich�d is because so many people have said it. You know why those people said it? Because it�s true. So die cuntingly.

Originally posted by reagan80
The WMD's haven't been found yet, but they haven't been proven to NOT exist either. Iraq is a big country, and most of our troops don't have time to go around treasure hunting for WMD's now since they are busy policing and trying to rebuild the country. Right now our troops are trying change the draconian societies of the Middle East. Most of our allies in the region are oppressive and corrupt royal families that divert the angst of the Arab people toward Israel and the United States. If Iraq becomes a successful democracy, the Arab people in neighboring states will probably demand democratic reforms like a domino effect. When the Arab people get their right to take control of their own lives without having to rely on an authoritarian regime, they will probably be less angry and disenchanted with the US. Don't get me wrong, the Arabs(including Iraqis) will hate us like the rest of the world anyway, but maybe not enough to kill themselves in a suicide attack. The Europeans, Africa, etc. hate us, but I don't see them flying planes into our buildings.

Absence of evidence isn�t evidence that WMD aren�t there. But it sure as hell isn�t evidence that they are. A tiger�s standing behind you! Oh, but if you looked, it�s gone already� there weren�t any witnesses, but believe me, there was a tiger right there.

The �shining beacon of democracy� myth is a pretty one, but incredibly na�ve. Arabs can see the freedoms available in countries outside of the Middle East. Some complain. They get killed, because they don�t have that sort of freedom. To make a change to all this, start with actually telling off your allies once and a while.

Originally posted by reagan80
Actually, I wouldn't mind the US becoming isolationist again. I wish we could just mind our own business and keep all of our troops at home. I wouldn't mind giving our hegemon status to the European Union. Then, they would know what it feels like when the world hates you for trying to single-handedly maintain global stability and security. Then, they would know what it feels like to have the rest of the world pray for their collapse. Then, they would know what it feels like to have a bullseye painted on their foreheads by fanatical terrorists. I wouldn't mind seeing what the French would do if terrorists flew a plane into the Eiffel Tower or what the Germans would do if the Reichstag was destroyed.

I went to the Eiffel Tower once. It was cool. It would be a shit target, what with the lack of inhabitants, but it looks pretty anyway. The Reichstag comparison to the WTC is unfortunate, to say the very least. Now, stop complaining about how lame everyone else would be in your situation, and come up with ways to better how the USA fulfils its apparent obligations. Personally, I think the world would be a better place if New Zealand were in charge.

Originally posted by reagan80
If I were a neocon sheep, I would have supported Bush's retarded immigration policy, but I don't...........If I were a neocon sheep, I would have supported Bush's waste of taxpayer money on African AIDS programs, but I don't...........

If I were a liberal sheep I would pretend that Kerry wasn�t just a watered down Bush himself, and that he had more than a few token liberal ideals. I would�ve believed that Dean was a liberal, I would�ve believed that CNN was an invaluable source of information, I would support removing troops from Iraq immediately, I would believe that the majority of the anti-Bush posters in this topic aren�t complete pillocks. But I don�t. And I�m running out of things to complain about. It�s easier to list stupid things that Bush supports. That�s why I want him out.



The �Osama is captured� conspiracy is one of the most idiotic I�ve seen. People were saying the same about Saddam. The thing is, if the US did actually try it, it could be one of the worst political blunders possible. Imagine the thoughts popping into the heads of voters. �Would you look at that? Three years they�ve been after the crafty bugger� and they did it. Right in time for the elections. It�s a miracle. A coincidence. Wait a minute.� That said, reports are in that the US is stepping up the search for Osama because of the elections, which should be more than a little worrying taking into account the amount of vote-whoring this reflects.