Who do you want be the next president of the USA?

[EGGO]

Originally posted by reagan80
I'm sorry, but I don't want Kerry to win so that he can weaken our military with spending cuts. I also don't want Kerry to be the Prez because he'll leave our national security matters to the UN. The UN security council is hypocritical because............

Russia didn't go to the security council to get approval for their Chechen campaigns.

France didn't go to the security council when they sent troops into the Ivory Coast.

Syria is a terrorist sponsor and is unjustly occupying Lebanon.

Therefore, calling Bush a "rogue Fascist unilateral cowboy" is wrong because he spent half a year making his case for the war to the security council. There is proof that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction at one point, but you people would rather give Saddam the benefit of the doubt instead of Bush.

Username: Reagan eh? He was a terrible president as well. Also, that last paragraph, I call bullshit. But I won't get into that until it gets to the point where I will have to.

Funny how in a dictatorship you only get one guy but in a democracy...we can really only choose two?

[reagan80]

Originally posted by EGGO
Username: Reagan eh? He was a terrible president as well. Also, that last paragraph, I call bullshit. But I won't get into that until it gets to the point where I will have to.

Funny how in a dictatorship you only get one guy but in a democracy...we can really only choose two?

President Reagan accelerated the end of the Cold War with the arms race against the Soviets. The arms race led the inferior Communist economy of the USSR to go bankrupt sooner. If the Democrats had it their way back then, the USSR would still be around today like China. Most of the weaponry our military uses today was a result of Reagan's military modernization program. If Kerry had it his way, we wouldn't have stealth aircraft or the Patriot missile system. http://www.usorthem.org/current-even...ng_record.html

What's BS?.............Saddam having WMD's?...........Before the war, most of the world's intelligence services thought Saddam had WMD's, but the rest of the world disagreed about using force and wanted to rely on a mediocre inspection regime to contain him instead.

About your last sentence, you sound like an anti-American sheep. I guess you would rather have a regime similar to Russia where there isn't a free press and financiers of political opponents get jailed............or maybe a regime like China where pro-democratic demonstrations get crushed................like this one at Tienanmen Square in 1989..........

[31337D00D]

Well, I am an anti-bush, i'd vote for an ant if i had to to stop bush from being president. If he wins...I WILL move to Canada <------ No joke

EDIT: I'll have to side with regan on this issue. Even though I want Kerry to win, his facts and points are all true. I dont' care that Kerry will cut military funds, but i'd rather see bush out of office.

I would also like the soviet union to be around. Sound crazy? Think about. During the cold war there were 2 sides, soviets and america, you were either sided with the soviets or the americans. If the US got bombed/attacked, obviously the soviet union did it, and vise versa. Today, if the US gets attack, you dunno who did it, unless you investigate into the issue heavily or have some leads.

If I was outside the US, working for the government, developing a anti-radar detectable nuclear missile, and we launched it at the US, you don't know where it would come from. In the cold war, u knew where it came from. So are we really that much safer?

Note: this is a 2 sided opinionated issue, like abortion, some are for it, some are agaist. Side with me if you'd like, Disagree with me if you'd like, but don't flame or argue, because its an unargueable issue, just like abortion.

EDIT2: I noticed that the poll says Kerry, Bush, I won't vote on this. What about that other guy? Edwards, is he out aleady?

EDIT3: Here is a neat article http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...lections/2004/

[batmantis]

i want Bush becase he doesnt take crap from anyone

[KnightofNachos]

I wanted Howard Dean to win, but Kerry isn't a Republican so he gets my vote. Bush is the worst thing that has happened to America in a long time.
Kerry wants to spend less money on the military? About freaking time. Bush continues to pump more and more of our tax money into fighting his wars. Tax breaks were made mostly for the rich, as the normal person notices little. Federal Aid has been cut to thousands, millions of people because he deems the lives of 500 people less important than a single missle. Also of consideration is the government programs and funding he has cut. In order to afford more death machines, he has dealt blows to the environment protection program, NASA, the department of Veteran Affairs (The program that takes care of the soldiers that have fought for America), among others.
If I was ever to assassinate a person, it would be Bush.

I know America is full of stupid, ignorant people, but I hope that even they can notice what Bush has down to our country; to the world itself.

[Fett aka hmm]

More on Reagan. He essentially got the American hostages in Iran freed, just by being elected.

And to quote Oliver North "I thought it was a neat idea"

[Drageuth]

I don't think I should vote, since I'm not a US citizen. However, I've always considered the president that was the best to be the one who did the most for the education and health systems of the country rather than building a military so strong it can knock anyone off the face of the earth. We already know the US is strong; we don't fu</>cking care anymore.

[Xaenn]

I would vote for anyone over Bush. For pretty much the same reasons everyone has stated. I don't really wanna get into arguing about Bush (for some reason his supporters don't care about the facts brought up about him). It is about time we start working on things other than our military. Do we really need to further plans for the creation of the American Empire?

[Josh]

I would vote for Bush. I am very conservative in my political views. We have many of the same ones.

I am definetly not for abortion, taking of gun rights, and many other views. Those were just the big ones.

[EGGO]

President Reagan accelerated the end of the Cold War with the arms race against the Soviets. The arms race led the inferior Communist economy of the USSR to go bankrupt sooner.

That's what we do best, either make us or other people bankrupt. Look at poor Phillippines

And why is communism so bad? It can work in theory, but what's so evil about it?

If the Democrats had it their way back then, the USSR would still be around today like China.

If Republicans had it their way, we'd be a few steps foward worse than what the US is like. Personally, I don't see anything threatening about China to us since that's the angle it sounds like you're going for.

If Kerry had it his way, we wouldn't have stealth aircraft or the Patriot missile system.

Quite possibly because he understands that America right now needs to be rebuilt after a harsh stomping from anyone/everyone/and ourselves.

Now, if Bush had it his way, he'd still underfund his programs like the No Child Left Behind Act, something he proposed himself and TOTALLY underfunded it. If Bush had it his way, and this is already happening, every-single-thing-he-said-in-the-state-of-the-union-is-a-lie. Of course I can keep going and going, but for the users who read this, I'll keep it short and simple.

What's BS?.............Saddam having WMD's?...........Before the war, most of the world's intelligence services thought Saddam had WMD's

Ah but here's where you crash and burn. We have been told before the war that we have not found any signs of WMDs. We've been told this over and over and over. The US still said, "Oh we KNOW they have it, we've seen it." Well where is it? Why did Bush pull out the searchers on January 8? Losing faith in his claims already? Here's the thing, and it's going to upset you, but what I just quoted from you is not the truth. Not even our CIA told Bush to go in Iraq because they NEVER said "Imminent Threat" or "WMDs."

About your last sentence, you sound like an anti-American sheep.

Oh I love this argument! If a person wants his country to be better, he's suddenly anti-american! How much of a tool do you think you have become? It's simple really. Allow me to specify, you have just done exactly what they want you to do, step 6 on how to get people on your side:

6. Eliminate opposition to the ruling party.


According to John Ashcroft, I am a terrorist. And by reading this far, you are too.

I can't help it. I like to read. I prefer to form my OWN opinion. I wouldn't kill or hurt anybody, but our attorney general has defined terrorism as even speaking against the government and holding opposing views.

So if you need me, I'll be over there with the other terrorists. Oh, no, not the real terrorists. I mean George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, Susan B. Anthony, and everyone else that has strived for something better.

Right after 9/11, The Bush Administration was quick to capitalize on the death of innocent Americans by declaring that dissent and opposing views (also known as reason and common sense) are now un-American.

How dare you speak out against our government. Remember 9/11!

I am. That's why I'm writing this.

Bush furthered this fascist notion with his "You're either with us or against us" policy he announced on November 5th, 2001.

All of a sudden being anti-war, even questioning a single government action, has become "anti-American." Anti-War protesters are accused of not supporting our troops?

Are you kidding me? Is there any BETTER way to support our troops then by GETTING THEM OUT OF A WAR?

What kind of backwards logic is this? The troops are going to hear about a large portion of their countrymen protesting for their return, for their removal out of harms way, and get demoralized because they WANT to be stuck in the desert right in the middle of bullets and a seemingly infinite number of suicide bombers? Of course not!

Why are these "Americans" that so adamantly support a war to "free" people the first to try to take someone else's away? These people with their backwards oppressive jingoism would fit better on Saddam's side.

If irony was a constitutionally protected figure of speech, John Ashcroft would take away this section.

I guess you would rather have a regime similar to Russia where there isn't a free press and financiers of political opponents get jailed............

Oh yes, you make this all too easy. Tell me, do you listen to FOX news? Are you aware they got sued for not showing the public the truth? Hiding facts? Are you aware they won because they said they don't have to tell the public everything? Are you aware that America's journalism contains a subjective view, whereas someplace as England has a more objective view in their news? Sorry, I'm not another brainless person, I know that there are better things out there, not just worse. Or do you think Dragons live in England?

or maybe a regime like China where pro-democratic demonstrations get crushed

So sayeth the man that condemns someone who speaks against him! The ultimate hypocrosy and irony! Who can't get enough of it?

I'll be awaiting more responses, you make my day.

[Jimmy Onestroke]

I'd vote for Kuci-oh. Uh, Kerry.

EGGO, you missed a few easy arguments in your Fisking, so I'll cover 'em...

Originally posted by Fett aka hmm
More on Reagan. He essentially got the American hostages in Iran freed, just by being elected.

And to quote Oliver North "I thought it was a neat idea"

Why the fuck are you calling the October Surprise election rigging a good thing? In response to you and the other Reagan supporters (why are all the other Bushites newly registered and with postcounts in the single digits?) I'm just going to settle on a brief summary of Reagan's more hilarious hijinks, quoted from Rep. Dingell in response to the CBS Reagan mini-series that somehow managed to be controversial a while ago:

"As someone who served with President Reagan, and in the interest of historical accuracy, please allow me to share with you some of my recollections of the Reagan years that I hope will make it into the final cut of the mini-series: $640 Pentagon toilets seats; ketchup as a vegetable; union busting; firing striking air traffic controllers; Iran-Contra; selling arms to terrorist nations; trading arms for hostages; retreating from terrorists in Beirut; lying to Congress; financing an illegal war in Nicaragua; visiting Bitburg cemetery; a cozy relationship with Saddam Hussein; shredding documents; Ed Meese; Fawn Hall; Oliver North; James Watt; apartheid apologia; the savings and loan scandal; voodoo economics; record budget deficits; double digit unemployment; farm bankruptcies; trade deficits; astrologers in the White House; Star Wars; and influence peddling."

Originally posted by Fett aka hmm
I would vote for Bush if I could. I frankly dont think hes done that bad of a job at all.
Saddam was a monster, he initiated costly costly attacks on foreign countries. The Iranian war hundreds of thousands died before Iraq finally pulled out, poison gas was used in many attacks on Iranian civilians. The Geneva Convention clearly states that prisoners of war should not be harmed in any way, yet Saddams military executed thousands of Iranian prisoners as a matter of policy. In the "Anfal" campaign Iraq dropped poison gas on the Kurdish city of Halabja, killing thousands, mostly civilians. He has also in southern Iraq executed thousands of Shi'a Arabs.

Guess when this photo of Rummy and Hussy was taken? At the peak of the Iran-Iraq War, of course. Bush Senior, and some of his old chums (who're now working with his kid in whatever job it is his dad arranged for him to get into) supplied Saddam with financial backing and weaponry. When I say weaponry, that includes chemical and biological weapons such as anthrax.

Anthrax?

\m/ ANTHRAX \m/

Not the thrash metal band though, those little spore bastards that kill and stuff. Anyway. When Iraq committed massive atrocities, there was only one way the Bush administration could react. By covering it up and blaming the genocide on Iran. Nice. If you bring up the point that the two Bush's are different people, um, die. Apart from the fact that the people who are actually in control (Rummy! Cheney! The Stonecutters!) have not changed, the Bush family line has been nothing but pillocks, with Prescott being the first to achieve prominence in fuckwittedness. Call it a genetic predisposition to evil, they can't help it.

But peace is clearly on the streets in Iraq and Afghanistan (remember, that place with the caves and shit?) so we should stop looking in the past, man. Totally. Bogans who disagree are so sucky.

I would say something about people who have "initiated costly costly attacks on foreign countries," but it's blatantly obvious what my punchline would be.

Originally posted by Fett aka hmm
The economy has grown the most it has since Reagan.

Ahahahahahhahahaahahahashkasjdfhklasdfh. Have a look at the attached image, there's plenty more that can be argued against this statement but I'll leave it at one simple image.

Originally posted by Fett aka hmm
And although Kerry is better with tax cuts that Dean, Bush is still the best in this. Tax cuts help the economy, it gives more money to the citezins, and the citezins will spend that money, making money circulate, thus making the economy better.

I'm sure Bill Gates is thrilled that he now has money to spend. This will make the economy better. I love a happy ending.

THAT WAS SARCASM DIE DIE DIE REGRESSIVE TAXATION IS TEH STUPID.

"Oh, but we're going to Mars! And the queers won't be allowed to come with us! Neither will the foreigners (all of 'em are terrorists)! It'll be wonderful! We can still outsource jobs as much as we want though... and we can invade Syria using the Son of Star Wars somehow! I love Bush!"

[Norgus]

excelent points Jimmy Onestroke!
and about the 5 star rating I gave you, youve helped prove you deserve it!

[Xaenn]

Great job both of you guys!

might that sixth step have anything to do with a particular anti-flag song?

[EGGO]

Originally posted by Xaenn
Great job both of you guys!

might that sixth step have anything to do with a particular anti-flag song?

Possibly. Can't remember for the life of me. *droops head down*

[Bagel]

If I could vote (too young), I'd vote for Bush. There's just something I don't like about Kerry, Not sure, he just doens't appeal to me. I know it's not a very valid reason, so don't yell at me about it.