Quote Originally Posted by Spose' View Post
I don't think it's really that cut and dry in the states. Thanks to the two party system where everyone is practically forced to claim one or the other but can vote how they feel about specific topics.
I was pretty much talking about american politics. I mean come on. The frontrunner of the left is saying "we need change" whilst the frontrunner of the right is saying "let's make america great again." which is to say "the way it was before all these various shades of brown showed up". The example speaks for itself.

I don't think it's that simple either. Obama could of easily been way more pro Snowden than he was. I don't think you have much choice but to run when there is no realistic way a government would let you walk free after exposing they are spying on their own civilians in an insanely illegal way.
It's not really so much that he proved PRISM existed (people have pretty much known or worked that out for ages. He just confirmed it). He also leaked a lot of other shit. Shit that involved international politics. Shit that could have been pretty complicated and compromised America's spies. Under that act he's pretty much guilty. A president can't exonerate a person out of nowhere. It doesn't really work that way.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...enal/?page=all

I also recall Bush's education policies being mentioned somewhere also.
*Rowan Scarborough*

Stopped reading there. Dude is full tinfoil hat. He seriously believes that the democrats in conjunction with the CIA worked to demolish Bush's presidency. I'd be about as inclined to believe a hobo ranting about space ninjas.

I still don't believe this is the case due to how fucked American politics are. At least once you bubble down to real people and not just the figureheads.
No, but they're figureheads for a reason. When you throw in with a party that's how it works. And thanks to the two party system, the more nuanced voices don't get their place (like bernie).