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It fills up an unpopular time-slot which probably doesn't get much ad revenue anyway. Plus the shows running on it are produced for next to nothing. I highly doubt they're spending even a tenth of what the average "prime-time" show's budget is. And that's how they manage to work out fine. When you don't spend much money on making the shows, you don't need the kind of numbers required to keep a big name show on the air. And the lack of people buying up ads lets them promote the shows on AS later, making sure they hook whatever audience they happen to have. Anyone who's familiar with regional programming is very familiar with "filler ads" that exist to pad out the run time to a half hour.

It's not much of a job. A relative of mine was involved in a survey with a Canadian ratings group a few years back. My memory isn't perfect, but I believe they got like $10 a month off their cable bill while it was going on, and a grand total of $40 for 3 months of monitoring. Unfortunately, being selected isn't an excuse to quit your job and watch TV all day.

Of course, and yeah i'm sure it won't be nothing more then maybe 2-4 new dubbed over animes and tons of highly popular re-runs at the start as you would imagine of a new north american anime attempt. They have promised most popular animes that are already dubbed so they won't have to pay to much for those. And i assume the newly dubbed ones wouldn't cost as much as paying for example real actors. People who hold camera's and mics. Not to mention all the other jobs you would need. Or actors with huge egos who demand 4 million usd a episode -insert charlie sheen picture here-.

Maybe the thing about being in the test group came out wrong. I mean it would be fun to just be a member of one.

[Wyrm]

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You really don't get apostrophes, do you?

I do but that was a simple mistype, as commonly happens to me. Not to mention one that was hardly even noticeable until you pointed it out.

[Inferno.]

Woot woot, just bought that big ass corner desk. If my thinking's correct, I should have it Monday.

[Raype]

I personally believe that it should be okay to make rating off that as long as legal names arn't used.

But thats from the same guy who think each tv channel should just be online and you subscribe to each channel for a certain price and have very few if no ad's since you are paying for only that channel for the month. Because it is wierd that you have to pay for tv channels like spike and disney if you never plan to use them.

There's a few interesting complications involved with that. For starters, collecting information completely anonymously isn't really as easy as it sounds. There's pretty much a guarantee there's going to be some way to trace it back to its source. Furthermore, who'd be collecting the data? If Sprung's Comcast statistics were handled by Comcast before being handed off to Nielson, they'd be subject to tampering by Comcast. Seeing as many cable companies also happen to be subsidiaries or partners of certain networks, it's entirely possible they'd tweak the numbers in their favor. I wouldn't be super surprised if Comcast started reporting record viewership for NBC, G4, or E! if this system was put in place. Meanwhile, Time Warner Cable would obviously be saying that HBO, TBS, and WB are bringing in amazing numbers. So the logical option would be for Nielson to be the only cable provider, thereby removing the possibility of tampering. But that'd be a monopoly and pretty extreme government interference in the economy. And that's illegal under American law, happens to be highly frowned upon in general, and would be VERY BAD for the consumer. The system isn't perfect, but the alternatives aren't pretty once you get into the nuts and bolts of it all.

With the popularity of streaming and the increased presence of web-tv and the like, I'd say it's a matter of time before the concept of "television" evolves into something different. It could have its ups and downs. On the up side, ready access to a whole host of content, and the possibility that more entertainment industry dollars will find their way to the little guys. On the down side, every asshole who thinks he's smart will get his own show in the same way they have podcasts or youtube channels now. And it'll be dreadfully terrible. But hey, finding good stuff on TV is about as hard as finding a good youtube series. I guess it can't be too much worse. Maybe.

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Woot woot, just bought that big ass corner desk. If my thinking's correct, I should have it Monday.

That was a really nice desk too. I would like one if there was a decent place in my room for a corner desk .

[Inferno.]

That was a really nice desk too. I would like one if there was a decent place in my room for a corner desk .

Got a circle shaped room?

[Inferno.]

Best get out of bed now, get ready and then fuck off to work.

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There's a few interesting complications involved with that. For starters, collecting information completely anonymously isn't really as easy as it sounds. There's pretty much a guarantee there's going to be some way to trace it back to its source. Furthermore, who'd be collecting the data? If Sprung's Comcast statistics were handled by Comcast before being handed off to Nielson, they'd be subject to tampering by Comcast. Seeing as many cable companies also happen to be subsidiaries or partners of certain networks, it's entirely possible they'd tweak the numbers in their favor. I wouldn't be super surprised if Comcast started reporting record viewership for NBC, G4, or E! if this system was put in place. Meanwhile, Time Warner Cable would obviously be saying that HBO, TBS, and WB are bringing in amazing numbers. So the logical option would be for Nielson to be the only cable provider, thereby removing the possibility of tampering. But that'd be a monopoly and pretty extreme government interference in the economy. And that's illegal under American law, happens to be highly frowned upon in general, and would be VERY BAD for the consumer. The system isn't perfect, but the alternatives aren't pretty once you get into the nuts and bolts of it all.

With the popularity of streaming and the increased presence of web-tv and the like, I'd say it's a matter of time before the concept of "television" evolves into something different. It could have its ups and downs. On the up side, ready access to a whole host of content, and the possibility that more entertainment industry dollars will find their way to the little guys. On the down side, every asshole who thinks he's smart will get his own show in the same way they have podcasts or youtube channels now. And it'll be dreadfully terrible. But hey, finding good stuff on TV is about as hard as finding a good youtube series. I guess it can't be too much worse. Maybe.

True, and you can't have a certain nielson agent or company collect the data, as there are bias's and that would be a lot of agents. Maybe they couldn't do it that way.

With the whole channels online i'm talking about like TBS.Com pay like 2-10 USD a month. (More then what you pay in the cable bundles here) and have all there shows with maybe 1-2 ads or none depending on the cost and still be saving money because you don't have to pay for Oxygen ect.

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Got a circle shaped room?

Nah its just oddly shaped and no good corners that i could use. My bed is against 2 corners. I have a small desk like thing in front of the window but a corner desk like that would never fit. 2 doors on the other corners. and a bathroom and walk in closet. and most of the wall have something against them. There just isn't the room

[Inferno.]

I'm going to have to put the corner desk in the corner where my bed is, but I don't mind. I've dreamt of the day I have a proper office kind of setup in my bedroom.

Plenty of other space in my room for the bed.

[Raype]

Of course, and yeah i'm sure it won't be nothing more then maybe 2-4 new dubbed over animes and tons of highly popular re-runs at the start as you would imagine of a new north american anime attempt. They have promised most popular animes that are already dubbed so they won't have to pay to much for those. And i assume the newly dubbed ones wouldn't cost as much as paying for example real actors. People who hold camera's and mics. Not to mention all the other jobs you would need. Or actors with huge egos who demand 4 million usd a episode -insert charlie sheen picture here-.

Maybe the thing about being in the test group came out wrong. I mean it would be fun to just be a member of one.

That's pretty much it exactly. You might hire a handful of animators to handle certain things (redrawing mouths, translating signs), a translator or two to get the words right, and a couple voice actors (some of these people will , quite literally, work for food). Then there's the licensing costs which frequently aren't even that high because a lot of groups view it as FREE MONEY while others love the idea of bringing it to a bigger audience. Fan groups do much of this stuff with 3-4 people in the span of a few hours for free. So really, you could have the same small staff working on all of the different anime being localized and still only fill out a typical work day while providing a few different shows. And that's before we bring in the bread and butter of cheap television: the intern. Then there's the fact that there's groups that localize anime already who they can just throw a few dollars at for a TV license. There's loads of localized dubbed anime out there, and it didn't stop when Toonami did. You could probably run the entirety of Adult Swim for a decade on what Sheen alone made in a single season. A tiny, tiny fraction of a typical audience is all they need. Anything beyond that is pure profit.

Oh, in that case, I can see your point. But seeing as I've watched about an hour of actual "sit in front of the television" TV in the last 3 months I'd probably bankrupt a couple networks if I got picked. I'd have to politely decline.

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I'm going to have to put the corner desk in the corner where my bed is, but I don't mind. I've dreamt of the day I have a proper office kind of setup in my bedroom.

Plenty of other space in my room for the bed.

Put it in the dead middle, then when your about ready for bed do a ninja backflip from the desk onto the bed?

[Inferno.]

I must go to work now, unfortunately.

But another day another Great British Pound.

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That's pretty much it exactly. You might hire a handful of animators to handle certain things (redrawing mouths, translating signs), a translator or two to get the words right, and a couple voice actors (some of these people will , quite literally, work for food). Then there's the licensing costs which frequently aren't even that high because a lot of groups view it as FREE MONEY while others love the idea of bringing it to a bigger audience. Fan groups do much of this stuff with 3-4 people in the span of a few hours for free. So really, you could have the same small staff working on all of the different anime being localized and still only fill out a typical work day while providing a few different shows. And that's before we bring in the bread and butter of cheap television: the intern. Then there's the fact that there's groups that localize anime already who they can just throw a few dollars at for a TV license. There's loads of localized dubbed anime out there, and it didn't stop when Toonami did. You could probably run the entirety of Adult Swim for a decade on what Sheen alone made in a single season. A tiny, tiny fraction of a typical audience is all they need. Anything beyond that is pure profit.

Oh, in that case, I can see your point. But seeing as I've watched about an hour of actual "sit in front of the television" TV in the last 3 months I'd probably bankrupt a couple networks if I got picked. I'd have to politely decline.

I've never seen these localized dubbs. Mostly just the more popular ones like funimation (I think they are the ones who do it? ) And Viz (Athough i think they are more manga translations), But those are whom i assume adult swim will pay for that unless they are making the animes themselves. That wouldn't be bad since they seem to know there shit when it comes to anime. But maybe there will buy rights to get there own team to do that work, which i imagine they won't. And when it comes to anime it seems they are closer to fans as with two and a half men or big bang theory have very little fan interaction / care for.