Yet Another Hang Out: Rasgrez loves big thick pickles.

[Sprung]

Tbh i think most channels should utilize things like crunchyroll and other shows that use online streaming with commercials at the correct points. Because its easy for me as i can watch what ever when ever. I take it to the point to where if possible i use crunchyroll and other sites like it instead of sites that are hosting upon videoweed ect. without commercials for the fact it does help support the industry.

But if they try to do what hulu says they are going to do i won't use them. Assuming its not just a rumor that hulu wants to make it to where you need to show proof you own cable television to stream the videos.

That's crazy. I don't have to take in a stool sample to buy toilet paper...

[Sprung]

Truth.

When I first got Comcast, their top of the line broadband was 2.5Mb/s. And it was FANTASTIC

at the time

[TheRealSpiders]

That's crazy. I don't have to take in a stool sample to buy toilet paper...

I HAVE BEEN LIED TO MY WHOLE LIFE.

[Sprung]

I HAVE BEEN LIED TO MY WHOLE LIFE.

That strange guy at the Dollar General is collecting your shit.

[Spose']

That's crazy. I don't have to take in a stool sample to buy toilet paper...

They must think they are the reason why public television is crashing although i believe netflix has a better impact on those figures.

[Raype]

0 for 2 Spose. Gonna stop now?

It's okay, not everyone is aware of how ratings work.

Allow me to explain.

It all begins with a ratings corporation. For instance, let's take Nielson, who are pretty much the go-to guys for ratings and almost certainly the people who'll determine if Toonami is successful (not to mention how successful). Now in order to determine who's watching what they select a bunch of people from across multiple demographics and "TV packages". They can't grab data from everyone because there's simply too much data, the infrastructure isn't in place to detect it in a lot of cases, and it breaks several laws. So it must be done voluntarily. The people selected typically run the gamut from a nuclear family of 4 to your grandma. From a middle aged single guy to a stressed out college student in a cramped dorm. White, jewish, black, asian, christian, atheist. If they can find a minority, they're represented in the sample as well because it prevents cultural bias. Frequently they'll toss out perks such as "free/cheaper cable" or a couple extra bucks a month to sweeten the deal. After they get about 5-10K of these people, they hand them out a small, roughly modem sized box. This box is wired into your cable and detects which channels you happen to be tuning in to. Once the survey is over, the data is collected and processed. They take the percentage of people who watched each show and then extrapolate how many people in the country are watching, as well as what particular subset of viewer they're in. For instance, a show might be a big hit with "the college crowd" or "a great family comedy". Maybe it's an "ethnic hit". This is then usually represented in ad campaigns and the like once the ratings are in.

Obviously it's not always super accurate. There's more than a few shows pulling in huge ratings that probably shouldn't be, whilst other wildly popular shows aren't being seen by anyone in the sample. I'd wager to guess there's more than a few shows that went off the air simply because the people chosen simply weren't the one's watching, whilst their similar social standing neighbors may have been. Popular petitions to bring back shows that seemingly had a fanbase big enough to support it also showcase this possibility. But it's really the best (and most legal) option.

The number of people watching then determines the ad cost. Basically, if there's a lot of people watching an event then you can charge more for ads. Meanwhile shows with low ratings in poor time slots have to offer bargains to get ad revenue. This is where shows (and networks) get most of their money. So it's always about trying to get the highest ratings across the boards. There's more than a few pieces of fiction (and even some non-fiction) about ratings tampering that are well worth checking out. It's a huge business and exploiting it can be highly lucrative. Which is also why a company like Neilson is regarded fairly well, since they work fairly hard to get as fair and untampered a sample as possible.

In short, you watching or not watching Toonami doesn't mean shit. If those five thousand people getting surveyed are the only people in the entire world watching TV, no one would be any the wiser. If they're the only people watching Toonami, it'll be selling adspace at the same cost as the Super Bowl. If none of them watch it, it'll probably be off the air before long. Because ratings are purely a statistical extrapolation through semi-random survey. The only way you'd be helping Toonami out would be by getting selected for a Nielson survey and going through with it. Then keeping your TV on that network whenever it's on. Since that's not the case, you watching or not watching doesn't earn them a dime.

We had to day for days until he would ride by with his horse and buggy.

I always wondered why they called it a buggy.

Doesn't look much like a bug and it's hooked up to a horse, not a bug.

Should call it a horsie.

[TheRealSpiders]

That strange guy at the Dollar General is collecting your shit.

I can only imagine what he intends to to with all that collected fecal matter. I assume he's collecting it.

[Sprung]

I always wondered why they called it a buggy.

Doesn't look much like a bug and it's hooked up to a horse, not a bug.

Should call it a horsie.

The horsie pulls the buggy

[Sprung]

I can only imagine what he intends to to with all that collected fecal matter. I assume he's collecting it.

He's going to separate the DNA from it and clone you.

Unfortunately it will look like a turd.

He will then scream "SUCCESS".

[Sprung]

The horsie pulls the buggy

Or, in Amish:

Der horsie pulls der boogie.

[TheRealSpiders]

Doesn't look much like a bug and it's hooked up to a horse, not a bug.

So you're telling me I shouldn't be breeding giant lady bugs to hook those up to? Fuck.

He's going to separate the DNA from it and clone you.

Unfortunately it will look like a turd.

He will then scream "SUCCESS".

That's fine, I've always wanted to kill my own clone, especially if he is a giant turd.

[Raype]

I think you are partially right. With the technology they have for digital cable systems now, I believe they can glean pretty decent ratings by polling the cable boxes to see what channels are being watched, and when.

They could, in theory. But it's a lot of data to wade through. Trying to process a couple thousand versus a couple million is much more complicated.

And it's illegal.

So there's that.

Tbh i think most channels should utilize things like crunchyroll and other shows that use online streaming with commercials at the correct points. Because its easy for me as i can watch what ever when ever. I take it to the point to where if possible i use crunchyroll and other sites like it instead of sites that are hosting upon videoweed ect. without commercials for the fact it does help support the industry.

But if they try to do what hulu says they are going to do i won't use them. Assuming its not just a rumor that hulu wants to make it to where you need to show proof you own cable television to stream the videos.

Several channels do. Many channels these days operate streaming websites on their home page which has ad-supported streaming. Usually much fewer ads than you'd get on television too.

Unless you have adblock, then it's ad free.

I am a monster.

That aside, sites like crunchyroll aren't really supporting the industry. Your money doesn't go to the networks, it goes to crunchyroll. Who then spend the money on crunchyroll and/or its staff. You're not supporting the industry any more than the guy who pays for premium rapidshare accounts.

Unless that's changed and they went legit at some point. In which case, disregard that.

[Raype]

The horsie pulls the buggy

So the buggy has 1 horsepower?

So you're telling me I shouldn't be breeding giant lady bugs to hook those up to? Fuck.

I'm not saying that at all. That would lesson the confusion. Also, FLYING BUGGY. Plus ladybugs are pretty cute.

[Spose']

It's okay, not everyone is aware of how ratings work.

Allow me to explain.

Spoiler warning:

It all begins with a ratings corporation. For instance, let's take Nielson, who are pretty much the go-to guys for ratings and almost certainly the people who'll determine if Toonami is successful (not to mention how successful). Now in order to determine who's watching what they select a bunch of people from across multiple demographics and "TV packages". They can't grab data from everyone because there's simply too much data, the infrastructure isn't in place to detect it in a lot of cases, and it breaks several laws. So it must be done voluntarily. The people selected typically run the gamut from a nuclear family of 4 to your grandma. From a middle aged single guy to a stressed out college student in a cramped dorm. White, jewish, black, asian, christian, atheist. If they can find a minority, they're represented in the sample as well because it prevents cultural bias. Frequently they'll toss out perks such as "free/cheaper cable" or a couple extra bucks a month to sweeten the deal. After they get about 5-10K of these people, they hand them out a small, roughly modem sized box. This box is wired into your cable and detects which channels you happen to be tuning in to. Once the survey is over, the data is collected and processed. They take the percentage of people who watched each show and then extrapolate how many people in the country are watching, as well as what particular subset of viewer they're in. For instance, a show might be a big hit with "the college crowd" or "a great family comedy". Maybe it's an "ethnic hit". This is then usually represented in ad campaigns and the like once the ratings are in.

Obviously it's not always super accurate. There's more than a few shows pulling in huge ratings that probably shouldn't be, whilst other wildly popular shows aren't being seen by anyone in the sample. I'd wager to guess there's more than a few shows that went off the air simply because the people chosen simply weren't the one's watching, whilst their similar social standing neighbors may have been. Popular petitions to bring back shows that seemingly had a fanbase big enough to support it also showcase this possibility. But it's really the best (and most legal) option.

The number of people watching then determines the ad cost. Basically, if there's a lot of people watching an event then you can charge more for ads. Meanwhile shows with low ratings in poor time slots have to offer bargains to get ad revenue. This is where shows (and networks) get most of their money. So it's always about trying to get the highest ratings across the boards. There's more than a few pieces of fiction (and even some non-fiction) about ratings tampering that are well worth checking out. It's a huge business and exploiting it can be highly lucrative. Which is also why a company like Neilson is regarded fairly well, since they work fairly hard to get as fair and untampered a sample as possible.

In short, you watching or not watching Toonami doesn't mean shit. If those five thousand people getting surveyed are the only people in the entire world watching TV, no one would be any the wiser. If they're the only people watching Toonami, it'll be selling adspace at the same cost as the Super Bowl. If none of them watch it, it'll probably be off the air before long. Because ratings are purely a statistical extrapolation through semi-random survey. The only way you'd be helping Toonami out would be by getting selected for a Nielson survey and going through with it. Then keeping your TV on that network whenever it's on. Since that's not the case, you watching or not watching doesn't earn them a dime.

This may sound stupid since it seems you know a lot about this subject but,

Wouldn't that not just be for the beggining? Wouldn't the constant viewer count maybe a month after that data is released to the advertising companies, not to mention the huge amounts of people whom wrote in and gave there opinion about bringing it back also bring in reasons? Because in my view that might be a starter but once for say you have the average viewer for that show released would that not also be another factor that would be important after that? Or is Nielson the only real factor?

[brit]

Not terrible.