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[Shareware]

When it comes to pirating?

I use... "trials".

Give it a try out of curiosity, if its good, save up and buy it, if not, deletion is in order.

I get a better feeling when I buy games, because I feel like artists deserve money for their work if they've made it well, and I'm happy to give it to them as thanks. I like to donate to independent developers as well.

[Shareware]

I like it when porn stars don't shut the fuck up.

Because it's SO HOT to hear "YEAH FUCK ME FUCK ME FUCK ME. FUCK THAT PUSSY"

Wait, no it's not. It makes me want to choke a bitch.

How about when they make fun of the viewer?

"OH YEAH, YOU GET OFF ON THIS, DON'T YOU, YOU SAD LONELY FUCKER. I BET YOU STILL LIVE WITH YOUR MOM."

I'd never lost interest so quickly.

[Jase]

I didn't mean that he deserved it for what he did, I mean he deserves it for being such a fucking dipshit about it.

But on that note,

This isn't the 80's anymore though.

One of the basis for his hack was that you could alter the online play.

He even condoned people hacking games.

Netplay was hell for several weeks because there were aimbots EVERYWHERE.

Plus, there's a lot more legal precedent against this than there is for it. Nintendo has been REALLY successful with this stuff since then. They sued some DS hackers out of existence. Plus, EULA goes around that ruling. You don't own the system, you're licensing it. That price you paid? It's a hardware license.

Again, incorrect.
Most law suits filed dont go to the 9th circuit, most of the cases are "won" purely because major company > Small time person.
The likes of Nintendo/Sony/Xbox, have money to waste, the costs to get a case reviewed by the 9th is insane, nothing a normal person could afford.

Granted this guys is a dick.

What precedents?
You want more in support? Okay, The movie collective vs iinet.
iinet won because, you cant tell a person how to use a service they have paid for.

[Colamisu]

I like it when porn stars don't shut the fuck up.

Because it's SO HOT to hear "YEAH FUCK ME FUCK ME FUCK ME. FUCK THAT PUSSY"

Wait, no it's not. It makes me want to choke a bitch.

This is why it's better when they don't speak English. So it sounds like Helen Keller, regardless of what they're actually saying it.

[Raype]

How about when they make fun of the viewer?

"OH YEAH, YOU GET OFF ON THIS, DON'T YOU, YOU SAD LONELY FUCKER. I BET YOU STILL LIVE WITH YOUR MOM."

I'd never lost interest so quickly.

It's sadder if you immediately respond with "hey, at least I'm not taking huge black dicks in all holes to pay my rent" before mentioning that at least you're less of a disappointment to your parents than this girl is, and that her father likely had boundary issues.

When it comes to pirating?

I use... "trials".

Give it a try out of curiosity, if it good, save up and buy it.

I get a better feeling when I buy games, because I feel like artists deserve money for their work if they've made it well, and I'm happy to give it to them as thanks. I like to donate to independent developers as well.

I tend to pirate nearly everything unless it's good. I frequently buy games because they tend to be worth the cost even if they aren't exceptional. But even then, I do have a sizable collection of pirated material.

But still, plastering your face all over the internet begging to be sued and then asking for money to fight the lawsuit you were clearly begging to get just seems so very, very stupid. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go mail a copy of a video where I torrent a bunch of movies to hollywood. But not because I'm an attention whore, I'm just being informative!

[brit]

Ah. Gianna Michaels. So THAT'S her name.

Lexi Belle is hot.
Tori Black is also hot.

I wish Katie Morgan didn't quit.

[Shareware]

Oddly enough, I have a thing for british women.

They can yap all they want, It'll only make it better for me.

[Jase]

FUCK MY LIFE.
Undertaker Vs Triple H was amazing.

[Raype]

Again, incorrect.
Most law suits filed dont go to the 9th circuit, most of the cases are "won" purely because major company > Small time person.
The likes of Nintendo/Sony/Xbox, have money to waste, the costs to get a case reviewed by the 9th is insane, nothing a normal person could afford.

Granted this guys is a dick.

What precedents?
You want more in support? Okay, The movie collective vs iinet.
iinet won because, you cant tell a person how to use a service they have paid for.

You mean third circuit. He's on the east coast. It's outside their jurisdiction.

Blizzard v MDY for instance. Which is essentially what this is. Or the TPB rulings for something a little more recent. In the case of the latter, they weren't charged with file sharing, they were charged with allowing it to happen and creating a method to go about doing that. GH has made no secret of the fact he's trying to impede on sony's business. Since the PS3 is legally a personal computer (murky legal definitions ahoy) and it's involved with international commerce via PSN (which functions as a limited bank), he's participating in a conspiracy to commit international fraud. The DMCA makes this like shooting fish in a barrel, since it exists more or less to make what he did a legal offense.

[Jase]

You mean third circuit. He's on the east coast. It's outside their jurisdiction.

Blizzard v MDY for instance. Which is essentially what this is. Or the TPB rulings for something a little more recent. In the case of the latter, they weren't charged with file sharing, they were charged with allowing it to happen and creating a method to go about doing that. GH has made no secret of the fact he's trying to impede on sony's business. Since the PS3 is legally a personal computer (murky legal definitions ahoy) and it's involved with international commerce via PSN (which functions as a limited bank), he's participating in a conspiracy to commit international fraud. The DMCA makes this like shooting fish in a barrel, since it exists more or less to make what he did a legal offense.

9th: http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ <-- Im not upto date with the american legal system, i assumed there was one governing body?

Blizzard vs Glider is a mess of a case to no end, and from what i understand its still going. Its in congress ATM (was just reading old legal documents then)
(By no means do i agree, with the american legal system, i think its retarded and i have said so here in the past.)
The rule that what they are doing is legal, then illegal, then legal, then illegal.
This in in itself is why i dislike the American legal system, once you make a ruling, and set a precedent, don't back-flip.

I dont think you could define it as a PC, because Sony themselves market it as a console.

I cant see what GH, is doing worse then say, hacking a PSP FW.

I can see where issues like the PSN ones you have brought up could be damning, but wasnt there something in the American constitution that sort of debunked this?
I recall Glider using it at some point.

Needless to say, if this goes the way of Sony, its fucking retarded, next you'll have GM telling you that you cant put a new CD player in your car.

[Raype]

9th: http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ <-- Im not upto date with the american legal system, i assumed there was one governing body?

Blizzard vs Glider is a mess of a case to no end, and from what i understand its still going. Its in congress ATM (was just reading old legal documents then)
(By no means do i agree, with the american legal system, i think its retarded and i have said so here in the past.)
The rule that what they are doing is legal, then illegal, then legal, then illegal.
This in in itself is why i dislike the American legal system, once you make a ruling, and set a precedent, don't back-flip.

I dont think you could define it as a PC, because Sony themselves market it as a console.

I cant see what GH, is doing worse then say, hacking a PSP FW.

I can see where issues like the PSN ones you have brought up could be damning, but wasnt there something in the American constitution that sort of debunked this?
I recall Glider using it at some point.

Needless to say, if this goes the way of Sony, its fucking retarded, next you'll have GM telling you that you cant put a new CD player in your car.

Nope, there's districts. The 9th is the largest and covers a huge chunk of western america (California falls within it). It's also the worst district for GH's legal team since it cracks down hard on piracy. Sony has been trying for a change of venue to the 9th because of that. They've been keeping things within GH's state last I checked.

So far no appeal on BvG has denied the DMCA ruling though. Because the DMCA clearly defines that circumvention is wrong aside from certain special cases. The PS3 hack is a clear circumvention method to go around a EULA and anti-piracy measures. Therefore, it falls within DMCA and I'd be shocked if they manage to fuck up such a clear cut case. I cannot see him beating that charge, since people never walk away from it.

No, they define it as a computer. In europe they did it actively to bypass some trade laws. Sony COMPUTER Entertainment and all that. And, like I said, the legal definition of "computer" is murky at best (most phones and some calculators can be classified as computers if you try hard enough).

It's not. But there were alternative reasons for hacking the PSP FW, and Dark Alex was smart enough to cover his ass a bit (his primary reason for hacking the PSP was allowing for homebrew applications, supposedly. GH was more "PS3's hacked, pirate games now. LOLSONY".). That, and he didn't plaster his face everywhere and ask to be sued. But due to the way things went with the PSP afterwards, Sony probably would've pursued it had the same thing happened today. Time will tell when the inevitable NGP hacks appear.

Possibly, but I don't see how it'd even matter. The constitution rarely holds up in court, since it's very much open to personal interpretation in a lot of ways. Especially since this sort of thing didn't go on way back when. You might as well be quoting the bible, unless the judge and/or jury gets all teary eyed.

[Jase]

So far no appeal on BvG has denied the DMCA ruling though. Because the DMCA clearly defines that circumvention is wrong aside from certain special cases. The PS3 hack is a clear circumvention method to go around a EULA and anti-piracy measures. Therefore, it falls within DMCA and I'd be shocked if they manage to fuck up such a clear cut case. I cannot see him beating that charge, since people never walk away from it.

Wasnt there a ruling in the BvG case that confirmed the EULA wasnt a legaly binding contract?
And to think, i want to study law to an extent lol.

No, they define it as a computer. In europe they did it actively to bypass some trade laws. Sony COMPUTER Entertainment and all that. And, like I said, the legal definition of "computer" is murky at best (most phones and some calculators can be classified as computers if you try hard enough).

I cant see it being classed as a computer, but your right, its a grey area.
Whilst its SCE, PS3 is still marketed as a video game console.
But yeah Grey area, and i can see them pushing for the term.

It's not. But there were alternative reasons for hacking the PSP FW, and Dark Alex was smart enough to cover his ass a bit (his primary reason for hacking the PSP was allowing for homebrew applications, supposedly. GH was more "PS3's hacked, pirate games now. LOLSONY".). That, and he didn't plaster his face everywhere and ask to be sued. But due to the way things went with the PSP afterwards, Sony probably would've pursued it had the same thing happened today. Time will tell when the inevitable NGP hacks appear.

Valid point.

, but I don't see how it'd even matter. The constitution rarely holds up in court, since it's very much open to personal interpretation in a lot of ways. Especially since this sort of thing didn't go on way back when. You might as well be quoting the bible, unless the judge and/or jury gets all teary eyed.

Um, one would think that the constitution would hold some weight? i mean isnt it the legal blue print for your rights as an American?

[Drageuth]

Um, one would think that the constitution would hold some weight? i mean isnt it the legal blue print for your rights as an American?

One would think, but Ray is also Canadian. He's just as cynical about all that shit as I am. Also Canadian.

[Zaladane]

I have a constitution of 18



/lame

[Jase]

One would think, but Ray is also Canadian. He's just as cynical about all that shit as I am. Also Canadian.

i hate Americans, theres a few okay ones