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    Duluth, Minnesota — Testimony today in Capitol Records, et al v. Jammie Thomas quickly and inadvertently turned to the topic of fair use when Jennifer Pariser, the head of litigation for Sony BMG, was called to the stand to testify. Pariser said that file-sharing is extremely damaging to the music industry and that record labels are particularly affected. In doing so, she advocated a view of copyright that would turn many honest people into thieves.

    Pariser noted that music labels make no money on touring, radio, or merchandise, which leaves the company particularly exposed to the negative effects of file-sharing. "It's my personal belief that Sony BMG is half the size now as it was in 2000," she said, thanks to piracy. In Pariser's view, "when people steal, when they take music without compensation, we are harmed."

    Pariser has a very broad definition of "stealing." When questioned by Richard Gabriel, lead counsel for the record labels, Pariser suggested that what millions of music fans do is actually theft. The dirty deed? Ripping your own CDs or downloading songs you already own.

    Gabriel asked if it was wrong for consumers to make copies of music which they have purchased, even just one copy. Pariser replied, "When an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Making "a copy" of a purchased song is just "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy'," she said.

    Countless studies have shown that the majority of music on portable music players like the iPod comes from sources other than download services. For most people, that music is comprised primarily of songs "ripped" from CD collections to MP3 or some other comparable format. Indeed, most portable music players comes with software (like iTunes) which is designed to facilitate the easy ripping of CDs. According to Pariser's view, this is stealing.

    We've actually heard something similar to this view before. As part of the 2006 triennial review of the effectiveness of the DMCA, a number of content-related industries filed a joint reply with the government on the effectiveness of the DMCA and the challenges that lay ahead for copyright. The argument relating to CDs espoused in the joint reply could be summarized: although nothing has prevented consumers from making backups of CDs, this cannot be construed as authorization from the music labels for them to do so. Thus, there has been no authorization of said backups, and the coincidental ability to make backups currently should not be mistaken for fair use.

    Pariser's views appear to be similar, insofar as she clearly suggests that consumers have no right to make backups of the music that they have purchased in CD form or even in download form.

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    LOL SONY BMG LOL.

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    No, but really. This is ridiculous.

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    Fuck Sony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by See Her Pee View Post
    LOL SONY BMG LOL.
    I agree. Even though they did a smashing job with Opeth albums ^__^

    I actually made a pretty big argument over whether its stealing or not:
    Read it here if you're boring enough to.

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    Meanwhile, watch the indie labels continue to get it right by offering consumers the option to download a digital copy of an album for free when they purchase it on vinyl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmic View Post
    Meanwhile, watch the indie labels continue to get it right by offering consumers the option to download a digital copy of an album for free when they purchase it on vinyl.
    Yeh, that's awesome. Never done it, but oh well. When I buy a vinyl I have no problem with downloading it to burn onto a CD. I MADE MY CONTRIBUTION DAMNIT

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    After reading some of the quote, Parisher is a fucking dick.

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    I've got most of my mom's, my brothers', and my own CDs (the good ones, anyway) ripped onto my computer. OH NOES IMMA MUSIC PIRATE


    You know, the incredibly high figures the record industry gives for lost profits from piracy make sense when you consider they're counting it whenever you rip a CD you bought and own. I can't help but wonder if they just count every single non-DRM MP3 as a product of piracy.
    I wouldn't at all be surprised. Just like how the RIAA's front page of its website claims it's responsible for 90% of all "legitimate recordings".
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    When they stop selling blank cassette tapes, cassette recorders, and radios, I'll stop ripping MP3's.

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    Jesus Christ.

    I can't do what I want with shit I own? And I don't mean upload it for others, but that thing about making copies/MP3s for myself. That's like saying I can't use the cushions on my couch anywhere else than on it. :eyeball:

    In Pariser's view, "when people steal, when they take music without compensation, we are harmed."
    Yeah, brain damage, you dumb broad.

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    Oh, lawls. I just noticed, she claims that Sony BMG is half the size it was in 2000, and blames it on piracy. Sure, that's one way to put "We, in our retarded antipiracy paranoia stuck rootkits on the computers of anyone who had our CDs that were completely hidden and gave no sign of their existence or mention in the EULA that were poorly designed and resulted in a number of piggyback viruses and BSOD errors, and was also designed to total the CD drive of the computer if it was discovered and attempted to be removed."
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    God forbid you go walking down the street humming a song. Some JAP in a suit runs up to you: "Roo pay for dat!?" DID ROO!?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetsetlemming View Post
    Oh, lawls. I just noticed, she claims that Sony BMG is half the size it was in 2000, and blames it on piracy. Sure, that's one way to put "We, in our retarded antipiracy paranoia stuck rootkits on the computers of anyone who had our CDs that were completely hidden and gave no sign of their existence or mention in the EULA that were poorly designed and resulted in a number of piggyback viruses and BSOD errors, and was also designed to total the CD drive of the computer if it was discovered and attempted to be removed."
    Oh yeah, right, their illegally-installed shit. Lol, indeed.

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    This is why I don't care for anything Sony anymore. That includes the PSP and PS3. The PS3 is nothing more then a "cheap" Blu-ray player that Sony wants to promote so they can "improve" on copy protection on Blu-ray discs. Sony is also responsible for the ARccOS protection found on a lot of DVDs that adds bad sectors to make copying them even more difficult. We have the right by law to make a single copy of anything we own for archival purposes. I don't care what Sony says, that isn't piracy. I have all of my CDs ripped to my iTunes collection because I don't want to have to keep swaping CDs to play a section of songs from them.

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    Also has anyone noticed that the main reason Sony makes firmware updates for the PSP is because the old firmware got hacked or exploited in some way? The only time Nintendo updates it's firmware on the DS is to try and improve the features of it but at the same time they don't make you update like the PSP does they just add it in all the new model DS' they sell. The only real "anti-piracy" act that Nintendo has done on the DS is try to block internet access for homebrew apps and even that didn't work but you don't see Nintendo suffering or complaining about piracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haldrie View Post
    This is why I don't care for anything Sony anymore. That includes the PSP and PS3. The PS3 is nothing more then a "cheap" Blu-ray player that Sony wants to promote so they can "improve" on copy protection on Blu-ray discs. Sony is also responsible for the ARccOS protection found on a lot of DVDs that adds bad sectors to make copying them even more difficult. We have the right by law to make a single copy of anything we own for archival purposes. I don't care what Sony says, that isn't piracy. I have all of my CDs ripped to my iTunes collection because I don't want to have to keep swaping CDs to play a section of songs from them.

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    Also has anyone noticed that the main reason Sony makes firmware updates for the PSP is because the old firmware got hacked or exploited in some way? The only time Nintendo updates it's firmware on the DS is to try and improve the features of it but at the same time they don't make you update like the PSP does they just add it in all the new model DS' they sell. The only real "anti-piracy" act that Nintendo has done on the DS is try to block internet access for homebrew apps and even that didn't work but you don't see Nintendo suffering or complaining about piracy.
    That, and CDs don't fit in my MP3 player. Dunno about other models, though.

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    I have a CD player that can play normal audio CDs as well as MP3s that are burned on a standard data CD but yeah that is a good point as well.
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