Bombs and Stuff

[Paul Miller]

So hey, I was thinking, let's make a thread! I know the title got you in here because you want to know how to make a pipebomb to blow up Skinner. But unfortunately, that is just not this thread. Boo, I know.

I was thinking on my drive home today about stuff. And, I had this discussion in a class before, but it was fairly interesting, so seems well enough to have here.

On August 6 and 9, 1945, the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were destroyed by the first atomic bombs used in warfare.

So, this thread is about discussion of that, but based on the knowledge we have now. Bear in mind the context of your argument... is it present day, or are you looking at it from the point of view then(we did not know of the radiation and such, IIRC.)? Was the US right to do what it did? Did it go about it in the correct way? In the same situation would you do it again? Does our knowledge now affect you? Knowing how things turned it, do you approve? Etc etc things like that. Now, gogogogogogo and stuff.

[Dingy]

lol...
anyway, I am going to steal this thread's virginity...
the US was wrong.

[Chaos]

the US was wrong.

I disagree, yes the discussion is started paul miller
Becuase I think the US somehow had to.
Sometimes you have to quit the mess and just end it with an atomic bomb

[Kosmo Yagkoto]

why do you guys hate skinner so much?

[Paul Miller]

why do you guys hate skinner so much?

Just a joke, calm down. Skinner is a big boy, he can take care of himself.

[Dingy]

I'm trying very hard not to break my promise to Skinner, but anyway. The US didn't have to do it Chaos.
I don't blame a Hitler or a president for something like that. It's more than simply the subjective factors, it's also the objective conditions. But practically testing your scientific inventions on some country and then being shameless enough to justify it...sad.
Of course, the most concrete arguement can be that it stopped the IIWW. But wasn't it already logically set to stop. And did it really stop? Didn't it manifest itself in the form of the coldwar? Didn't it set the path for an arms race?
Did the world really have a choice but to surrender to the superior military might of the US. Which mind you, isn't a laudable quality to have.
I'm not only talking in terms of loss of lives. Think about the ecological, cultural, historical decay and damage caused to the area.
Miller, asked two very important questions, first...
"In the same situation would you do it again? "
I am quite clear on my stance here...NO. It's just a show of military strength and using your bully might to make it appear as if you brought the war to an end.
And second...
"Does our knowledge now affect you? Knowing how things turned it, do you approve?"
I still don't approve of it. I don't approve of the genocide carried out by Hitler either. But it's the way people view the whole scenario-Hitler kills masses=genocide. USA kills greater masses and causes acute damage to the coming generations=historic event and commendable step in ending the war.

[Roux!]

Well, Germany was out by then... The whole Axis was pretty much defeated by that time, only Japan remained... Dropping an A-Bomb on them was not the best course of action... They already had Japan cornered, it was just a matter of time before everything ended...

That's taking into account what millitary intel had at the time...

[Dingy]

That's taking into account what millitary intel had at the time...

Also what they chose to ignore.

[Soeru]

Blasting away thousands of civilians to end a war that was already nearly over was not the best course of action. Interesting to see that the Japanese don't hold this against the US.

[Skinner8]

But it's the way people view the whole scenario-Hitler kills masses=genocide. USA kills greater masses and causes acute damage to the coming generations=historic event and commendable step in ending the war.

My history teachers have always said it was an obvious bad thing to do.

[Paul Miller]

GFG I am going to have a field day with this one. That long, boring paragraph I promised Fake FZ is coming in a day or so. This is good stuff.

[Paladin_Hammer]

Bomb two cities of enemies, save U.S. lives, or kill millions of U.S. soldiers and millions of Japanese.

The bomb. Anyday.

[Andros]

Paladin_Hammer is right there would have been much greater loss of life without the bombs; however we don't know the exact extent of the damage of the fallout from the nuclear residue.

[Deach]

Pipebomb.

1' Cannon fuse.

1 1/2 - 2" long 3/4 in wide Galvanized steel pipe (threaded on both ends)

Caps for both ends of the pipe Enough Black Powder to fill the pipe

Note: An inside threaded pipe connector can be used with plugs instead of caps for more power (they are usually thicker).

Procedure:

1. Screw on and wrench tighten a cap on one end.
2. Drill a hole for the fuse in the second cap.
3. Fill up the pipe with powder
4. Screw on the second cap and insert the fuse.

Use:

Most effective at making craters when placed about a foot into the ground in a small hole. Be careful to point the caps in a safe direction because most of the time they come flying off like bullets.

I thought some people might want to know...


I'm sure the US could of gone about it another way. (This makes it look like I'm not going off-topic)

[GundamGuy]

Bomb two cities of enemies, save U.S. lives, or kill millions of U.S. soldiers and millions of Japanese.

The bomb. Anyday.

So by your logic the Lives of a few thousand US Soilders, who are prepared to die honorably, for the US, are of Greater value then those of a Few Hundred thousand Japanese Civilians...

Some how the numbers dont add up... We should not have killed Civilians, Had we bombed a military base, that would be diffrent... but a City... that's just wrong.

I think that one Civilian life is greater then all lives of all the Soilders lives.

I mean we fight the war to protect the civilians from it...