Both have 4 active members, actually 4 registered which is even worse.
I'm a script developer rank on http://www.powerbot.org/community/us...04-lucky-star/ .
Which has 1069 users online at this moment.
And thats not even a 10th of the user base.
i know. i'm trying hard, i just need more people interested in indie game dev to come over and help out. many of the forums related to this subject are dead, social networks, or clogged up with people who couldn't care less about actually programming and are trying to keep it working on the old bases not new things.