drunkstalkerbiatch
Let's make Blu-Ray free for everyone!
I wanted to know if anyone has any kind of Bluee-Ray cr*cking project and would like some help? There are lots of people talking about it, this new DVD format. It's 50GB and up to 280GB if layered 8 times.
I don't know if DVD J0hn is working on this..but when they release the first players I hope the format is already OPEN and ready for backing up. Popcorn anyone?
Crash and burn.
Isnt it most likely that you will need to get a blu ray burner,
and buy blank blu ray disks?
the freeness comes into it where?
or maybe I misunderstood,
whatever it is your on about.
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it's hardc0regamer. i gave up trying to understand him a long time ago.
drunkstalkerbiatch
Two wordsOriginally Posted by Dinosaurman
Blu-Ray Decryt0r
That's what I want...
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I think you mad a spelling booboo there.
And wtf do you actually decrypt?
And if you mean the games, to copy them, blank discs and burners would be hella expensive, thus making none of this hardly free at all.
Crash and burn.
zactly what I said
it makes no bloody sense
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I'm with Darth on this. They probably would be quite expensive when they first come out and everything so creating ripping/burning projects would be kind of hard. Plus if some people are using all 8 layers (250 gigs) then you would most likely need a blu-Ray reader as well as the burner. That's going to really put up the price. Even at 50 gigs, you're going to need a pretty decent hard drive with a nice bit of free space (after all you will have to copy to cache then to BR with a one drive machine and these discs won't run in DVD/CD-ROM drives. But there will most likely be people doing this cracking, it just won't be marketable for the next 3-4 years (possible estimate). Then you need to keep in mind that many people download stuff to burn (guilty). 50-250 gigs is quite a bit (my entire HD is only about 200 gigs) so expect to be connected to the internet for a long time (massive hackfest anyone?). Then with the burning, I'm not planning to settle with a low speed burner for something like this. I'm not going to leave my computer on overnight just to burn. So hardc0re, you may need to hold out for that decyptor and burner, since I doubt these crackers will market their work for the time being. I would plan to buy one only after a massive price drop, and besides, if you can afford a $400 (estimate) burner and $50 (also est) blank brd then you can probably just as well afford pre-recorded brds.
on that note, I would plan to buy one, especially if it includes a good speeded dvd/cd-R burner and is reasonably priced along with the discs (I only have a dvd reader and cd burner at the moment. Only one). I'm sure there will be a price drop eventually and these things will eventually be feasible (remember how expensive those poor quality dvd burners and blank dvds were way back, now they are really cheap. For you old guys, same thing happened with recordable cds)
Last edited by Raype; 6th-November-2005 at 03:02. Reason: : Reason
drunkstalkerbiatch
Looks like someone finally got my point...
This is basically Hollywood's plan:
1) Make the size of the movie huge, so it doesn't make sense to copy
2) Add lots of content, so people will want to buy it
3) Watermark the audio track, so the disc will be uncopyable
4) Encrypt it in such a way that it will take twice the size of the Blu-Ray to store on your hard drive (before final burn)
5) Prosecute the f**k out of anyone sharing these, and make it well-known across the world
6) Suck up to/pay through the nose for protection from Congress/the E.U., Australia/N.Z. govts to crack down on file sharing
7) Use ISPs and cable co's to track the sharing of such large files, and turn in their own customers
8) Do they need any more ideas?? Noo....
Someone will come up with a util to decrypt the BlueRaay and rip it to a standard DVD in lower resolution. You'll have to toss out all the extra content and the quality will probably suck. It will take hours to do this; so most people will forego this unless they have lots of time on their hands.
The above paragraph, as well as #1, 3, 4, and maybe 5 will change over time. When burners drop in price, you will see lots of sharing. I really doubt we will see many 280GB movies. Most likely it will run from 100 or so up to maybe 150ish. Adding content requires money, and many directors just want to shoot a movie and get over with it. The 280GB capacity would come in handy with such movies as E.T. & Indiana Jones; there are tons of extras never before seen on film that could be included.
Someone will break the code to BlueRaay.
But will it really make any difference....................?
Last edited by X-EvansBasher-X; 6th-November-2005 at 03:41.
Crash and burn.
mate,I seriously doubt ithardc0regamer
But will it really make any difference....................?
it kinda loses the point of being on blue ray if your gonna rip it,
and remove content.
why not just buy the normal dvd version of the movies?
Lost Soul?
Pretty much for the purpose of piracy.
I'm sure people will try, but will they win? Naw. There's really no point to it other than to be able to say : I did it.
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Because I bet that hollywood/gaming industry will stop supporting the dvd format with the coming of brd.
I'm pretty sure that someone will eventually find a way around the new encryption and the large file size, plus as soon as media companies start to mass produce brds, the price will be as low as dvds are now, most likely 5-10 dollars more.
I think that you're onto something. I think I remember something in the early days of DVD where people ripped the main file from dvds (the part with the movie file) and left out the extras, then compressed it. I think that we're going to see this pretty soon as a "quick fix" until a more in depth rip & burn application cones out. I also doubt the quality will drop. Every seen a dvd on a high-def TV? It's amazing. It's pretty much as good quality as you can get, so I really doubt the quality will drop all that much when converting from brd to dvd, and also if there is a quality change, it won't be much. People always find a way around new security features and I doubt this will be any different.
I think that really makes sense. I doubt any film is going to be large enough to take up a full brd, and I think your estimates may in fact be wwwaaayyy too high for some films (1 hour 30 mins+ a few short documentaries converted to about 30 dvd's worth of space? preposterous!) and many dvds I have are pretty short on special features to begin with. I think the move to BRD is more about media companies trying to screw consumers out of cash by saying "we have many special features, blah blah blah" and making me pay 40-50 dollars for a film I might as well store on a 20 dollar VHS (I'm oldskool like that), especially considering how boring some of these special features are (I doubt I've watched half of the ones on dvds I own/rent). I bet that what will mostly use BRD's will be collections and video games (now that I can get behind. Who doesn't want a complete TV series stored on one disc, complete with many docs and specs. Then there are those awesome next gen games). I'm willing to bet that within one year, we'll see complete Simpsons or Best of [Enter network here] dvds. I tend to buy new system games and only emulate stuff from a while back (PSone, N64, SNES, Genesis, and the like) so ripping of this stuff is kind pointless for me. Pkus, with that kind of space, what will they put on the disc really? they'd have to film the entire movie from the person writing the script to the film being shipped to fill out the entire disc.
To add to this, media seems to be whining that their sales are dropping and everything. I'm just going to say, I've never been to a movie theater in eight years, and recently cancelled my cable subscription to add to my gaming budget. I think that the quality of the movies and TV shows has been dropping fast, and the first people they whine about are the 1337 |-|/\xx0rz who are stealing all their money. I don;t pirate films or TV, I just spend all my time playing games. Plus with movies, these studios just release their stuff after three of four weeks of a theater release, so why should I pay $20 to go to a theater, sit behind a heavy cougher, be spat at by kids, and dodge popcorn thrown by people, then be annoyed when some idiot left their cell phone on when I could just as easily rent it for $5 a little while later and watch it in the comfort of my own home? These media people are Idiots that should be stopped.
Last edited by Raype; 6th-November-2005 at 04:34.
Crash and burn.
hmmm yeah just like what happened with laser discOmega Weapon
Because I bet that hollywood/gaming industry will stop supporting the dvd format with the coming of brd.
lol
i guess im just a pessimist
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i doubt this. The DVD has become a standard format, but we still see newer games like the Sims2 and Warhammer released under CD's. Because really: who the fuck needs one disk with 250GB? Everyone is saying it's neat, it's new, and it's hot shit. This is true, but considering that average Joe-Blow is happy with thier normal DVD player (and/or CD player), upgrading to brd is a long way off. Has everyone forgotten that PC's just recently stopped being shipped with a standard floppy disk? Brd is a technology that has been available for the last 10 years, i read about it a really long time ago. Now it's becoming a big marketing thing for Sony (funny that theyre the ones who announced that the brd could reach 250) and they just want to pour on the hot sauce. The VCR is still around, and it will be a few more years before it's gone.
Final word: Non-Nerds arent going to upgrade to some shit they dont need right away. So fuck Sony and thier Blu-Ray disk of complete and utter uselessness.
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Well yeah but keep in mind those are PC games, not console games or anything. Besides, not everyone has a DVD reader and computers are much more expensive than DVD players or VCRs (unless you bough one early....losers). Plus, piracy with computers get harder to stop because once you can put something on a computer, you can pretty much put it on anything with a little work. Perhaps the PS3/360/REV are moving into BRDs and odd disk formats (Those little discs in the Gamecube) in order to stop people from using mod chips/apps/hardware. We don't need the large discs because, really, I can count on one hand the people I know with 250gig+ Hard drives, and only a few have even 100gig+. This kind of means that installing games would be a problem. Remember when PS1 modding was a big deal? Not long after out comes the next generation (with the PS2, oddly enough, out first). Now the mod chips and progs for PS2 and XBOX are good and, suprise suprise, a new type of disk. (I am aware that the 360 uses a different format from BRDs, but it is somewhat similar). And as for VHS, when was the last time you saw a movie released for VHS? I know I haven't seen any around, they all seem to be DVD/UMD format these days. Plus, I know that BRD is kind of old, but keep in mind people thought DVD was going to be a fad when people started using them, and look what happened. I know that support will still be there for VHS and DVD in the future, but the move will be slowly toward the BRD. Eventually, all other formats may disappear (like Craig said, remember the laser disc. Then there are the older tape formats that I'm sure most members are too young to remember) to get a larger and more useless format. I'm quite happy with DVD and VHS at the moment and even though I am a nerd I won't upgrade to a large and useless BRD for a while (well I may get a PS3 or something, but that isn't really a BRD computer drive now is it?). I know you may think these CDs are ridiculously large now, but keep in mind a CD is larger now that my first computers hard drive (the computer would be about fifteen today). Then also remember that people had no use for CDs at first, and chose to use the tiny 3 meg floppies over the CD which was about 200 floppies. Plus PC games took a while to switch over to CD (and even then they had a floppy included for people with older computers), so I'm sure a switch to DVD or BRD is bound to occur (also note that a DVD isn't a huge jump from a CD while a BRD is a huge, huge leap from the DVD). Who would have thought twenty years ago that you could store hundreds of books onto a disk roughly 10cm in diameter, or even that there would be a need to? I'm sure BRD will eventually become a standard now that some companies (such as Sony) are supporting it. If not, something a lot like it is bound to become popular (like those disks Microsoft is pushing HD DVD I think they were called).
EDIT- replaced "disk" typo (lousy c key so close to s key)
Last edited by Raype; 6th-November-2005 at 06:49.
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I get what youre saying about the dynamics of it all, but what im saying is that upgrading a widely used format is a long a sometimes unsuccessful process. While the laser disk was completely gay, it went the way of the dinosaur because it just never caught on. The beta max was a superior product when compared to the VHS, but VHS became popular and now we all say "beta-who?". The success of a product doesnt lie in the functionality, it lies in the marketing (sadly :\). The largest market is'nt us guys who debate about the dynamics of it all and who actually know how much space 250GB is, its the soccer moms who wants to spend 5k on christmas presents, the idiots who just want a top of the line PC so they can surf for porn faster.
"Stealing" music and movies was'nt an issue until one of us nerdy guys decided to sell the movies to non-nerds. So while we will continually crack the fuck out of the brd or whatever else bullshit they put out, average joe is what the big guys care about, and he will not get to get those "stolen" movies.
Brd is being pushed by Sony. It does'nt matter which product is superior. All that matters is what John Doe accepts as normal. (*ghostly voice* remember the beta maxxxxx........ )
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