Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 17

Thread: Stalin World!

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Where sea meets sky
    Posts
    2,997
    Thanks
    3
    Thanked 19 Times in 14 Posts
    Blog Entries
    1
    EP Points
    5

    Default Stalin World!

    Completely serious, there is a Stalin World outside Grutas, Lithuania, of all places. First thing I thought was, with Che Guevera, and now Lenin and Stalin, what Communist can not be turned to the allure of capitalist profit?

    It is definitely a bit cavalier, to look at it, though. A bit like roller coasters at Auschwitz or ferris wheels at the old Japanese internment camps in America. On the other hand, Lenin, you now have a great vacation spot.

    .

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Inside an ambiguous slut.
    Posts
    2,752
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    I heard about this, and laughed heartily.




    "Violence is always the answer. If you somehow believe violence is not the answer, you are asking the wrong questions. If violence is not solving your problems then you're not using enough of it."

    Visit my Deviant Art Gallery here:http://sspirate.deviantart.com/gallery/


  3. #3
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Deep within the cracks of humanity.
    Posts
    1,680
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    This is interesting. Does this place follow the rules and regulations of Communism?

    Besides that point, it does look quite interesting. I wonder if I could get a place named after me?

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    In a 11' by 15' room
    Posts
    258
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    I am so going there.
    "I start to think there really is no cure for depression, that happiness is an ongoing battle, and I wonder if it isn't one I'll have to fight for as long as I live. I wonder if it's worth it."

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    10,584
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
    EP Points
    5

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Neighbour
    Besides that point, it does look quite interesting. I wonder if I could get a place named after me?
    The answer is 2 letters long.

    Weird, really. Another thing to make money.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    Straya.
    Posts
    4,498
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyr
    Completely serious, there is a Stalin World outside Grutas, Lithuania, of all places. First thing I thought was, with Che Guevera, and now Lenin and Stalin, what Communist can not be turned to the allure of capitalist profit?

    It is definitely a bit cavalier, to look at it, though. A bit like roller coasters at Auschwitz or ferris wheels at the old Japanese internment camps in America. On the other hand, Lenin, you now have a great vacation spot.

    .
    I resent the statement that Lenin came under the allure of capital. In fact, I resent it so much I'd be willing to debate it.
    Make your point.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Where sea meets sky
    Posts
    2,997
    Thanks
    3
    Thanked 19 Times in 14 Posts
    Blog Entries
    1
    EP Points
    5

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lenin.
    I resent the statement that Lenin came under the allure of capital. In fact, I resent it so much I'd be willing to debate it.
    Make your point.
    Oh, I was just poking fun at the fact that Guevera's face is marketed on everything from posters to t-shirts, and statues of Lenin and Stalin are both at Stalin World.

    But, if you'd like, I certainly could, at the least, point to capitalist policies he made during his rule.
    After War Communism failed in 1921, Lenin argued succesfully in March to the Politburo for the temporary reinstitution of limited capitalism in the country to rebuild the economy from the civil war. Said policies, called the New Economic Policy, allowed the peasantry to sell their grain and produce (rather than forced requisition and distribution, the old method). Most lesser industries and the entire service industry would be returned to the private sector, even if the largest industries, transportation, and foreign trade remained nationalized. The domestic market was opened again, private trade and wages were restored, and compulsory labour was abolished. The state, however, did retain the right to fix prices and appointments to the board of directors of the companies. Even with these elements of state control, the capitalist policies within within drew the ire of many in the Bolshevik party, and Stalin, upon his ascendence, would end the NEP and institute collectivization in his first Five-Year Plan, which led to a massive famine in 1932-1933, not seen since the Civil War and War Communism.

    Basically, even if you think communism is the best economic policy (political debates aside, because Communism itself differs - Leninism and Trotskyism subscribed to democratic centralism, an idea that allows for debate on a topic until the final decision is reached, at which point it is not to be questioned, while Stalinism was truly totalitarian), you have to recognize that, even in Marxist dialectic, it is argued by Marx and Engels that a period of time in which capitalism is dominant is prerequisite before effective socialism, then later communism, can be implemented, in order to ensure industrialization has taken full effect. Now, the fact that, in reality, only agrarian nations (Rather than the industrialized, capitalist nations Marx and Engels envisioned) have had successful communist coups is interesting in light of this. As well, there is the fact that Marx and Engels disregarded just how powerful the 1848 Revolutions would be to future democratic movements and peaceful transition of power, believing instead that the hostile takeover of power would be required, and indeed, they barely mention peaceful means. It would take others to postulate that a peaceful ascendence of Marxism was even possible (Giving rise to democratic socialism), and such people would still be disregarded by other hardline Marxists, like the Bolsheviks or Rosa Luxembourg. Indeed, the Menshevik acceptance that Russia needed more time under capitalism and their willingness to follow traditional democratic means was what upset Bolsheviks so much.
    Last edited by Mistral; 19th-January-2005 at 14:27.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Jul 2001
    Posts
    8,470
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post

    Default

    I'm totally going there some day. Amusement parks normally suck, but in Soviet Russia, ROLLERCOASTERS RIDE YOU!

    Zephyr's multiple-paragraph posts give me an erection.
    ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º° ¨¨°º¤ø„¸ EDWARD CULLEN IS THE KING OF VAMPYRES! HE IS BETTER THAN BILL COMPTON, LESTAT DE LIONCOURT, VLAD THE IMPALER, & DICK CHENEY ¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨¨°� �¤ø„¸

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    The Halls Of Illusions
    Posts
    512
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    Oh Christ. This is quite possibly the last thing we need as an international community. What happened to good old fashioned right-wing idealisms? Why must we pay so much attention to this left wing, commie-loving interest that seems to have come about of late?

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Jul 2001
    Posts
    8,470
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post

    Default

    No matter how serious that was, Georgyw5k, that was still the most hilarious post in the universe. Ever. GG sir.
    ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º° ¨¨°º¤ø„¸ EDWARD CULLEN IS THE KING OF VAMPYRES! HE IS BETTER THAN BILL COMPTON, LESTAT DE LIONCOURT, VLAD THE IMPALER, & DICK CHENEY ¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨¨°� �¤ø„¸

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    The Halls Of Illusions
    Posts
    512
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    why thx u hunkmuffin. ;x.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Jul 2001
    Posts
    8,276
    Thanks
    6
    Thanked 96 Times in 22 Posts
    EP Points
    205

    Default

    Kick arse. I think I'll go there some day...

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    House of Dust and Darkness.
    Posts
    4,201
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    Good lord, Lithuania of all places. Now I have something to laugh at my brother's girlfriend.

    Zephyr, I now understand why you have such a small number of posts.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Where sea meets sky
    Posts
    2,997
    Thanks
    3
    Thanked 19 Times in 14 Posts
    Blog Entries
    1
    EP Points
    5

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Soeru
    Zephyr, I now understand why you have such a small number of posts.
    Anou...I think I'll take that as a compliment...

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    10,584
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
    EP Points
    5

    Default

    Educational posts are long to write, I guess that's what he meant.

    This is probably the best part
    Quote Originally Posted by Link above
    The idea, say park developers, would be to give younger Lithuanians a hint of what it�d feel like to be deported.
    But Leonas Kerosierius, a fierce critic of the park who has spoken out on behalf of some 60,000 survivors of Stalinist deportations still alive in Lithuania, said the facility makes light of some of the worst atrocities of the 20th century.
    �Imagine that in your country, one day armed KGB men come to your door. They beat your neighbor, rape your sister, your mother, kill your brothers...and exile your family,� Kerosierius was quoted by The National Post newspaper. �And now someone is building monuments to these killers, these rapists? No country has ever built monuments for tyrants. Are there any monuments for Hitler or Goebbles?�

    At least there is no Bush park.
    Last edited by polobunny; 20th-January-2005 at 05:34.

Similar Threads

  1. what have you read recently?
    By battousai in forum Books, TV & Movies
    Replies: 1156
    Last Post: 17th-September-2007, 10:49
  2. What religion do you beleive in?
    By Soeru in forum Free 4 All
    Replies: 246
    Last Post: 17th-October-2004, 21:57
  3. (Political) Tying up loose ends...........
    By reagan80 in forum Free 4 All
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 5th-July-2004, 04:36
  4. Replies: 95
    Last Post: 18th-February-2004, 11:33
  5. This song's for you.
    By Sixchan in forum Free 4 All
    Replies: 60
    Last Post: 12th-June-2002, 16:36

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
About Us

We are the oldest retro gaming forum on the internet. The goal of our community is the complete preservation of all retro video games. Started in 2001 as EmuParadise Forums, our community has grown over the past 18 years into one of the biggest gaming platforms on the internet.

Social