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[deadlegion]

The Super Famicom I got that was thrown in for free with a bundle of other stuff I bought actually works fine

Also, I found a local selling Metal Gear NES cart + ninty sleeve only. Had it listed as NTSC, it's actually PAL A Italian cart. Language is all English like the UK or Aussie carts.
Got it ridiculously cheap considering how much these sell for locally now

I'll post a list of this haul in game purchases soonish, just need to test a couple of NGC games...

[Moana]

Hey, guess who's back?

The Super Famicom I got that was thrown in for free with a bundle of other stuff I bought actually works fine

Also, I found a local selling Metal Gear NES cart + ninty sleeve only. Had it listed as NTSC, it's actually PAL A Italian cart. Language is all English like the UK or Aussie carts.
Got it ridiculously cheap considering how much these sell for locally now

I'll post a list of this haul in game purchases soonish, just need to test a couple of NGC games...

Cool. Has it written "pizza", "pasta" or "peperoni" on it?

[LeftyGuitar]

Welcome back Moana. The Super Famicom is pretty cool. I wish we in North America got the colorful buttons, instead we got purple and lavender colored buttons. At least the controllers are universal, you can use either region controller on whatever region SNES/SFC. Although the cord on the Super Famicom controller is pretty short.

[TheRealSpiders]

Welcome back Moana. The Super Famicom is pretty cool. I wish we in North America got the colorful buttons, instead we got purple and lavender colored buttons. At least the controllers are universal, you can use either region controller on whatever region SNES/SFC. Although the cord on the Super Famicom controller is pretty short.

Purple and light purple.

[Ragnar]

Welcome back Moana. The Super Famicom is pretty cool. I wish we in North America got the colorful buttons, instead we got purple and lavender colored buttons. At least the controllers are universal, you can use either region controller on whatever region SNES/SFC. Although the cord on the Super Famicom controller is pretty short.

The cord and the connectors on both ends are universal. So you can buy both controllers and swap the cords (the AsciiPad uses the same internal connector, so you can easily extend its short cord too). Also IIRC you could swap the colored buttons, I think they had the same tab layouts, you'll find markings inside SNES controllers indicating where the colored buttons should be stuck in...

Hey, guess who's back?

Hmm, Donald Trump for his second term?

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Welcome back Moana

[deadlegion]

NTSC NES controllers don't work on PAL NES.

SNES/SFC controllers are all interchangeable, even PAL.

Technically you can use NTSC NES controllers on Famicom but you need to wire them up. Some people cut the Famicom controller cable and wire up NES female sockets to them... usually controller extension cables.

[LeftyGuitar]

NTSC NES controllers don't work on PAL NES.

SNES/SFC controllers are all interchangeable, even PAL.

Technically you can use NTSC NES controllers on Famicom but you need to wire them up. Some people cut the Famicom controller cable and wire up NES female sockets to them... usually controller extension cables.

I was talking about the SNES/Super Famicom, but yeah I figure there would be some differences with the NES and PAL NES. Aren't the PAL and NTSC NES basiclly the same though? Weird controllers aren't universal, but older hardware, I guess.

The Famicom got colored cartridges, but we got grey colored cartridges, except for the gold Zelda ones and a few boot-leg colored cartridges, lol.

[deadlegion]

I was talking about the SNES/Super Famicom, but yeah I figure there would be some differences with the NES and PAL NES. Aren't the PAL and NTSC NES basiclly the same though? Weird controllers aren't universal, but older hardware, I guess.

The Famicom got colored cartridges, but we got grey colored cartridges, except for the gold Zelda ones and a few boot-leg colored cartridges, lol.

There a 2 types of PAL NES consoles. Regions A and regions B. The carts are not interchangeable with those either, physically they are but you need to disable the lockout chip (10NES chip).
UK, Australia and Italy are PAL A. I'm not sure which Euro countries are PAL B, I avoid those carts anyway.

US NES has lockout chip as well. Famicom consoles are true region free, no lockout chip.
PAL NES has different CPU, PPU & crystal.

I have one famicom cart here, 10 Yard fight, which is Irem white with a working red led
Yeah the famicom carts are nice, different colours and shapes/moulds too.

Famiclones are usually hybrid PAL type (not true PAL they use famicom clone PPU/CPU with incorrect timings) but play NTSC and PAL. Some famiclones are true NTSC but they are less common.
Most famicones are NOC (aka glob top) but there are some older discrete famiclones, mostly Taiwanese made afaik. I have a Polish discrete famiclone which is made in Taiwan

[Ragnar]

The Famicom got colored cartridges, but we got grey colored cartridges, except for the gold Zelda ones and a few boot-leg colored cartridges, lol.

I totally should've bought some of those yellow NES test carts when they were available for sane prices.
https://gamevaluenow.com/nintendo-ne...dge?gameid=788

[deadlegion]

I totally should've bought some of those yellow NES test carts when they were available for sane prices.
https://gamevaluenow.com/nintendo-ne...dge?gameid=788

Don't think I've ever seen one of those for sale here. I'm assuming there were PAL versions too though? Maybe not
We did get HES carts here, they aren't grey and some are piggy back style carts.

[deadlegion]

I have one black NES PAL cart. Old not a newer Chinese bootleg...

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[Ragnar]

Don't think I've ever seen one of those for sale here. I'm assuming there were PAL versions too though? Maybe not
We did get HES carts here, they aren't grey and some are piggy back style carts.

I've never seen one IRL. But they've been on eBay forever, when I heard of them they were sub $100 (even for the Zelda one) and people were complaining that they were too expensive.

[LeftyGuitar]

Interesting, I didn't know PAL had stuff like A and B regions. I usually just stick with NTSC or NTSC-J since I'm based in America. Though with the PS3 and PS4 being region free, I do have a couple of games from region asia, which I think is region 3 when it comes to DVDs/Blu-rays. I know NTSC runs at 60Hz, while PAL runs at 50hz, not sure if that has changed in recent times.

[deadlegion]

Interesting, I didn't know PAL had stuff like A and B regions. I usually just stick with NTSC or NTSC-J since I'm based in America. Though with the PS3 and PS4 being region free, I do have a couple of games from region asia, which I think is region 3 when it comes to DVDs/Blu-rays. I know NTSC runs at 60Hz, while PAL runs at 50hz, not sure if that has changed in recent times.

Xbox One/PS4 everything is the same. Some earlier platforms there are differences but sometimes not.
Eg some Wii Pal games are 60Hz compatible, it is clearly visible on the back of the cover.

As for the whole 50 vs 60Hz what it boils down to is bad region conversions.
PAL pre HD has a higher resolution which is actually better instead of some extra lower quality frames.
If say, an NES game was built and released by a Euro dev optimised for PAL then obviously any straight NTSC port would be terrible.
It's just that most of those sort of games were built for NTSC and poorly ported over to PAL format, hence why they are "bad".

Look at C64 games. There are loads of PAL games released on tape but I'm not sure all of them got NA release.
Try to play a PAL C64 game on NTSC C64
I believe PAL C64 has more cycles per frame. Some people mod NTSC C64 and swap in the components to turn them into PAL machines

[LeftyGuitar]

Ah yes, The C64 and Amiga were more popular in PAL regions or so I've read. At least with the power of emulation I was able to play them. Amiga had some real good games. Although I think the C64 had sorta of a cult following in the U.S./NSTC regions.