Some questions about... paranormal experiences... and stuff.

Good evening.

The title, well, is because that... as of late, many people I know have approached me thinking I have all the answers when I don't.

Most of them end up talking to me about ghosts and restless spirits and such things, or strange events they cannot explain and fear of telling about, because they fear that people would consider them mad or crazy.

They are concerned that there are things in their houses... they feel things floating around their beds, voices whispering and such things.

Sometimes they can feel a strange breeze on them with windows closed and no fan or air conditioners in their room. Some strange presence that won't let them sleep. Or some sort of a "green mist" over them.

Others feel a strange gust of hot wind coming from empty rooms. I have experienced this, and please, I am not paranoid... this hot wind coming out of my grandmothers house... it is terrifying to feel it in the middle of the night outside of the house.

I myself have had some strange experiences about waking up, seeing the world around me and feel that I am moving, but not beng able to do so. My body just lies there.. and I even see my family around me but I can't speak or move and it is very scary.

Or to feel someone is choking you in your sleep and when you open your eyes there is no one but you can swear that someone tried to kill you.

Or that sensation that you feel that you are being followed. I know, you may think I'm paranoid. Nope, that last one... I hear about it often. From a variety of people I meet and friends I know from a long time.

I know this will be considered a loss of time since this is an emulation forum but I wonder if you had these experiences too, since there are many intelligent posters here aside from the usual...

Now I am curious to know if any of you has had these experiences. ¿Can you tell me if you had any unexplainable experience you remember?

I've had a lot of weird experiences over the years (and I'm not exactly old, even by EP standards). Unexplainable ones though, that's a whole different ballpark.

There's two things at work here: The first is that the human brain ain't exactly perfect when it comes to interpreting sensory input, not to mention more than capable of faking the data. The second is that people tend to fall into a sort of confirmation bias: They already believe that something supernatural has happened (or will happen), so they go looking for evidence that fits the belief rather than evidence in general. None of this is to say that there couldn't be genuinely weird events happening, just that we as a species are pretty shit when it comes to investigating them.

General disclaimers aside, I've felt presences, had almost prophetic dreams and some usefully predictive deja vu. The only problem is that none of it is definite. I couldn't prove whether the deja vu was "unexplained" or just me observing a situation ran pretty well parallel to one I'd previously been in (I know which answer has more evidence for it, but absolute proof is for alcohol and maths). Ditto for the other occurences.

I think it most of what happens has to do with the human mind why? because what you dream off at night has everything to do with your everyday normal life taking an example of a child watching a scary movie or a paranormal program the child will be afraid and he wont sleep normally and begins to think about what he has seen and since he has seen it as it would look like in real life he begins to Imagen or dream of it in his sleep and it may causes him to be afraid ect...

Also as a normal human and from what you see from interacting with normal human life you get experience what the experience e.g. death and some people believe in there ghosts causing you to begin to think if they are any ghosts, also the human mind works be linking everyday life, you possibly have seen this somewhere from t.v. or something that test where someone shows you a word and you try to think of another word that has to do with that object e.g. I say Ireland and you will say leprechaun for some reason or another.

No. Ghosts are not real. Neither are ghoulies or zombies or revived mummies. Once something dies it sits in the ground and rots. The smart ones are cremated.

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Originally Posted by Necrosnake

No. Ghosts are not real. Neither are ghoulies or zombies or revived mummies. Once something dies it sits in the ground and rots. The smart ones are cremated.

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Why only the smart ones?

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Originally Posted by Kazuya Mishima

Why only the smart ones?

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It was a joke. You can't fuck ashes.

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Originally Posted by Necrosnake

It was a joke. You can't fuck ashes.

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When will you get it necrophilia is not something to be made fun off as joke. :sad-no:

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Originally Posted by Kazuya Mishima

When will you get it necrophilia is not something to be made fun off as joke. :sad-no:

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Everything can be made fun of. There's no wrong jokes, just wrong audiences.

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Originally Posted by Hypnos

Everything can be made fun of. There's no wrong jokes, just wrong audiences.

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I agree, but necrophilia is just with crossing line too much.

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Originally Posted by Galcian

I myself have had some strange experiences about waking up, seeing the world around me and feel that I am moving, but not beng able to do so. My body just lies there.. and I even see my family around me but I can't speak or move and it is very scary.

Or to feel someone is choking you in your sleep and when you open your eyes there is no one but you can swear that someone tried to kill you.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

This would at least explain those two incidents. It's a fascinating phenomenon but there are a lot of people who suffer from it, probably more than you'd think. ;)

I doubt the dead would be offended by someone fucking them.

South Park made fun of necrophilia.

I finished serial experiments lain (an anime) recently and some people were experiencing sleep paralysis in it even the main character girl. anyway it turns out it wasn't ghosts at all but an ALIEN in a green and red shirt! so really they should be more worried about aliens than ghosts.

I think everyone has, at least once in their life, an experience that they can't completely explain in what others would consider a "rational" explanation.

Me for example, I have some weird dreams that always end up to be true. Like when I was laying down sod next to my house as a child. I was twelve, and the whole time every image I focused on kept registering in my mind as "I've seen this before!". It made me believe, for awhile, that my dreams had shown me apart of my future.

The scientific explanation: memory is collective, not a single experience. You draw on different portions of your brain to remember an experience, so you can easily have a fake memory (some data gets screwed up in the process of retrieval).

In this case I'm behind science. I remember waking up the morning after I had the dream and thinking, trying as hard as I could to remember the dream in full detail. I couldn't. I remembered most of it (the clothes I was wearing, what I was doing), but I couldn't remember who was all there (I had counted 6 people, but not who they all were). Thats where suggestive thought took over right after I actually DID lay the sod. I instantly made the connection that the dream had shown me what was going on, who was there, what I and others were wearing. Only I know that the morning after I had the dream I put my face in my hands and tried to remember who was there!

So the dream wasn't an image of the future, just a misconstrued thought. This happens all the time to me, I could rant on and on about other dreams I had and came true and others I'm still waiting on. Some leave me puzzled all to hell as how I could have had a dream abut the future, but most turn out to be my brain playing a trick on me.


As for ghosts and "presences", I'm not quite sure what experiment this came from, but I remember seeing something on History International on the topic. In the end, 7 out of ten of the supposed "ghost" sightings were confirmed false. The sudden flash of warmth, and the sight of a spectral being, came from a bizarre flaw in a heating system, and a light shown through a prism at the right angle (that one was cool to see redone). Five other supposed paranormal experiences all had similar answers. Only three lacked any sort of rational explanation, even after those who had reported seeing the "ghosts" had taken a polygraph test and each had an MRI (which the results were negative for abnormalities). The researchers doing the experiment were baffled, but all came to the conclusion "with more funding, more personnel, more time and equipment, we could possibly break these wide open, we just don't have everything we need".

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Originally Posted by Cosmic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

This would at least explain those two incidents. It's a fascinating phenomenon but there are a lot of people who suffer from it, probably more than you'd think. ;)

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Yeah I heard about this, saw it on a show about alien abductions, they're saying that most of those abductions are just a part of a sleeping disorder.

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Originally Posted by Kazuya Mishima

I agree, but necrophilia is just with crossing line too much.

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I beleive not.

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Originally Posted by Paladin_Hammer

I think everyone has, at least once in their life, an experience that they can't completely explain in what others would consider a "rational" explanation.

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Actually no. I can explain anything that happens to me. There are no ghosts.

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Originally Posted by Necrosnake

I beleive not.

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I believe so...if you like we could have a poll and let the people decide.

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Originally Posted by Kazuya Mishima

I believe so...if you like we could have a poll and let the people decide.

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lol. Go for it.

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Originally Posted by Necrosnake

lol. Go for it.

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Go ahead after all lady's first.:P

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Originally Posted by Necrosnake

I beleive not.



Actually no. I can explain anything that happens to me. There are no ghosts.

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I concur.

On topic: http://maxpages.com/mapit/THE_CANADI...LIP_EXPERIMENT

With other groups and in different locations, the same results were obtained.

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Originally Posted by Evans

I concur.

On topic: http://maxpages.com/mapit/THE_CANADI...LIP_EXPERIMENT

With other groups and in different locations, the same results were obtained.

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That's interesting I guess. And Kazuya, grow up.

Tsk, I already settled your little issue so take it elsewhere.

I'd like to suggest http://www.mlparena.com/Forums.html. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Surf Nazis Must Die!

Tsk, I already settled your little issue so take it elsewhere.

I'd like to suggest http://www.mlparena.com/Forums.html. Thanks.

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lol. Would I be a bad person if I goatse'd that forum?

I like to think they'd enjoy it.

On topic, no, no "parnomalia" whatsoever. I'm don't pay enough attention to notice weird shit, and when I actually do I like to think of normal explanations instead of sensational ones.

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I like to think they'd enjoy it.

On topic, no, no "parnomalia" whatsoever. I'm don't pay enough attention to notice weird shit, and when I actually do I like to think of normal explanations instead of sensational ones.

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Then how do you explain the Loch Ness Monster?Not so easy now huh?

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Originally Posted by MuayThai65

Then how do you explain the Loch Ness Monster?Not so easy now huh?

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I've never seen the Loch Ness monster..

Those blurry photos, you mean? Large birds and/or fingers infront of the camera.

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Originally Posted by MuayThai65

Then how do you explain the Loch Ness Monster?Not so easy now huh?

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I've never seen the Loch Ness monster..

Those blurry photos, you mean? Large birds and/or fingers infront of the camera.

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And in at least one case, an elephant. Funny, we found it quite easy. :angel:

As for the rest, I think most of it was covered. Basically, human brains and human senses are not nearly so infallible as some people would prefer, and people try to associate unfamiliar sensations or stimuli with supernatural causes if they cannot sense immediately a natural cause. It's nothing particularly special, kinda like seeing UFOs in lenticular clouds.

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Originally Posted by Mistral

And in at least one case, an elephant. Funny, we found it quite easy. :angel:

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Never knew elephants inhabited U.S. lakes, namely Lake Champlain.
http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload...8-44346af3a535

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Originally Posted by MuayThai65

Never knew elephants inhabited U.S. lakes, namely Lake Champlain.
http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload...8-44346af3a535

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DUN DUN DUNN!

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Originally Posted by MuayThai65

Never knew elephants inhabited U.S. lakes, namely Lake Champlain.
http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload...8-44346af3a535

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:rofl: That is a terribly beleivable picture. If thye can get these shitty grain shots from random poeple who just happen to be pointing a camera in that direction, how come scientists they have camped out there get a decent or atleast equal quality pic?

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Originally Posted by MuayThai65

Never knew elephants inhabited U.S. lakes, namely Lake Champlain.
http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload...8-44346af3a535

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Well, if you want to change the subject from Nessie to Champ, feel free, but don't pretend an answer to one is the answer to the other. Besides, there are plenty of other potential explanations. For Nessie, they include seiches or rotting pinewood, noting that sightings in the lochs occur only in the lakes with pine trees. As far as I can tell, the same trees grow along Lake Champlain, and the same seiches occur there. Still, I think the best quote is that by the sightings, Champ is a "chameleonesque creature that is black, gray, brown, moss green, reddish bronze or other color, and is between 10 and 187 feet long, with multiple humps or coils as well as horns or a mane or glowing eyes or 'jaws like an alligator'—or none of those features." If I had time...but I don't, so I'll just leave it at that for now. :angel:

EDIT: A slight bit more free time and no one posting in here in the interim means an addendum. I'm a little curious why you think no scientific inquiry or search has ever revealed Nessie or Champ, considering Lake Champlain at its deepest is only 122 metres, and averages less than 20. Loch Ness is significantly more at 233 metres, but has attracted quite a bit more attention as well. Here's another interesting bit of light reading. Here's a bit more, concerning what appears to be the very similar to the picture you posted, by coincidence.

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Originally Posted by Mistral

Well, if you want to change the subject from Nessie to Champ, feel free, but don't pretend an answer to one is the answer to the other. Besides, there are plenty of other potential explanations. For Nessie, they include seiches or rotting pinewood, noting that sightings in the lochs occur only in the lakes with pine trees. As far as I can tell, the same trees grow along Lake Champlain, and the same seiches occur there. Still, I think the best quote is that by the sightings, Champ is a "chameleonesque creature that is black, gray, brown, moss green, reddish bronze or other color, and is between 10 and 187 feet long, with multiple humps or coils as well as horns or a mane or glowing eyes or 'jaws like an alligator'—or none of those features." If I had time...but I don't, so I'll just leave it at that for now. :angel:

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Well Nessie and Champ are practically the same thing, description wise at least.I don't really get why so many people can't find the idea of a prehistoric creature living in lakes and oceans, other prehistoric creatures have been found living today, just take a look at this. I find the idea of every sighting being a log or branch of a tree, more far fetched than it actually being an unknown creature.

I dunno which side I'm on, here. I only ever think of ghosts, aliens, whatever after I've seen something about them on TV or read a topic like this, and it's only after I'm reminded of them that I start thinking I hear something in the other room, or see something that can't be explained.

So, either it's just my brain seeing what I'm expecting to see after reading about something specific, or ghosts and aliens like showing up only when I've freaked myself out like douchebags.

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Originally Posted by MuayThai65

this. I find the idea of every sighting being a log or branch of a tree, more far fetched than it actually being an unknown creature.

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Right, so we have found a few creatures thought extinct. Does that prove there are gigantic ones still around? Nope. Does the fact a lot of people see a lot of dead wood mean there are good chances that, one day, someone might actually see something else? Sure, but not necessarily a prehistoric creature. I can look at birds all day long, but does it mean I'll be seeing pterodactyls around? Not likely, even though some people claim they have seen some.

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I dunno which side I'm on, here. I only ever think of ghosts, aliens, whatever after I've seen something about them on TV or read a topic like this, and it's only after I'm reminded of them that I start thinking I hear something in the other room, or see something that can't be explained.

So, either it's just my brain seeing what I'm expecting to see after reading about something specific, or ghosts and aliens like showing up only when I've freaked myself out like douchebags.

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Mmm... Latter seems more likely, go with that.

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Originally Posted by MuayThai65

Well Nessie and Champ are practically the same thing, description wise at least.I don't really get why so many people can't find the idea of a prehistoric creature living in lakes and oceans, other prehistoric creatures have been found living today, just take a look at this. I find the idea of every sighting being a log or branch of a tree, more far fetched than it actually being an unknown creature.

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Probably because all that has been seen in all this time is vague, unsubstantiated sightings and blurry, "retouched" photographs lacking crucial identifying signs (such as ability to discern scale). In centuries of time, in a semi-closed system like a lake or loch, one would expect a body to have drifted ashore, a random fisherman to have made a catch (Coelacanth, for instance?), or the systematic searches done by scientific experts to have come up with something. I will not say that it is impossible that a plesiosaur-like population is hiding in Loch Ness (it can't be a plesiosaur because the photos show it with its head out of the water - anatomy of the plesiosaur prevents this), but given lack of conclusive evidence, I will not say it is the only reasonable outcome.

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Originally Posted by MuayThai65

Well Nessie and Champ are practically the same thing, description wise at least.I don't really get why so many people can't find the idea of a prehistoric creature living in lakes and oceans, other prehistoric creatures have been found living today, just take a look at this. I find the idea of every sighting being a log or branch of a tree, more far fetched than it actually being an unknown creature.

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Lets compare that particular creature to what most people consider to be a description of Nessie (as a side note people, don't bring up the Coelacanth in discussions like this. The modern species belongs to a different family than most of the prehistoric ones, including the Coelacanthus species, which is what most people are familiar with):

The shark isn't even two metres long, generally lives between 100m and a kilometre below the surface of an entire ocean, and looks pretty damn similar to some larger species of saltwater eel. It also doesn't have many people intentionally looking for it.

Nessie is freaking long, lives in a lake that's at most 230m deep (not to mention very thin and shallow in places) and doesn't really resemble any other freshwater creature native to that area. Lots of people would love to find it.

It shouldn't come as any surprise then that finding a frilled shark is a minor event of note. The (endangered) species has an entire ocean to hide in, most of it below trawling depth. Nessie on the other hand has so few places to hide that it's hard to justify how no-one has gathered any solid evidence.

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Originally Posted by Hypnos

Lets compare that particular creature to what most people consider to be a description of Nessie (as a side note people, don't bring up the Coelacanth in discussions like this. The modern species belongs to a different family than most of the prehistoric ones, including the Coelacanthus species, which is what most people are familiar with):

The shark isn't even two metres long, generally lives between 100m and a kilometre below the surface of an entire ocean, and looks pretty damn similar to some larger species of saltwater eel. It also doesn't have many people intentionally looking for it.

Nessie is freaking long, lives in a lake that's at most 230m deep (not to mention very thin and shallow in places) and doesn't really resemble any other freshwater creature native to that area. Lots of people would love to find it.

It shouldn't come as any surprise then that finding a frilled shark is a minor event of note. The (endangered) species has an entire ocean to hide in, most of it below trawling depth. Nessie on the other hand has so few places to hide that it's hard to justify how no-one has gathered any solid evidence.

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You're so simple-minded.

It's quite clear Nessie and the others have invented a cloaking device. :eyeball:

Gawd!