Does one God exist? Are there multiple gods? Is there a deity (which we might call a god) that looks over the world (as described in the Bible/Torah/Koran/Reg Veda/etc.)
Let's finally answer this question, once and for all.
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Does one God exist? Are there multiple gods? Is there a deity (which we might call a god) that looks over the world (as described in the Bible/Torah/Koran/Reg Veda/etc.)
Let's finally answer this question, once and for all.
we have had this topic before
Well this is a sensitive Subject, and just to give u guys a heads up there's going to be some arguing. But I do believe in God, and i believe in Christ, there are just so many good things that happen to people that cannot be explained. Personally when i pray and ask God for something that i need, my prayers sometimes get answered. But i believe simply because i feel The Lords presence
I don't think there is. If there is a God, I sure don't like it/him/her. There is just too much going on in the world that this "god" turns a blind eye to. I watch my own back and distrust anyone trying to toy with me, as this supposed "holy and good god" is supposed to be doing. Say what you want, but my opinion is that there is no god and that if I am wrong, god is an evil manipulative b*****d who gets his/her kicks out of screwing over people everywhere. What is the point in worshipping something like that. No thanks, I'll stick to atheism where the only expectation is that I don't break any societal laws.
God gave us free will, therefore he cannot control what we do here on earth
For a guy who loves giving "free will" he sure seemed to like intervening according to religious books. Plus, if god wanted free will, why are the majority of its followers mindless, brainwashed people who believe anything the church tells them?Quote:
Originally Posted by �p1r�t�S_dc�
If there was a God that intervened in our lives it would make our free will meaningless.
That said, there is really no reason to believe in a God. I suppose if someone wants a reason for everything, there they have it.
However I've yet to find any good reason to believe. I'll have to say no.
If there is a god or gods, they are not going to be anything like most people perceive them to be. Perhaps "God" is merely the forces of Nature and the universe working together collectively. The Bible, Torah, Koran, Tao, etc., are all just stories and legends and guidelines people devised to explain things away, and to help teach civilization how to go about living in a "proper" manner. Basically books about the "do's" and "don't do's". Everybody loves a good story, that's why the Bible is called "The Greatest Story Ever Told":lol
just to point out if you take a close look, many christian folks are usually happier people. Probably because they find comfort for their many problems through faith.
That may be, but the way I see it, the world is an unhappy place. Bad stuff happens all the time, so I don't see why I should believe there is some "plan" put into effect by a "god" that pre determines all we do (many religious people believe this, yet they also talk about "free will". Funny, I have free will and choose not to believe in god. Why place me on this planet if I have nothing good to say about this supposed "god"?). I don't find my beliefs comforting, but I also don't get depressed when bad things happen to me. The way I see it, s**t happens, and that is just my turn to take the bullet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex A.
He had hoped you would follow him, instead you used your free will to go another way. Actually, it's pretty simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega Weapon
I get a kick out of how all the "cool" people hate God. (Read: it's the cool thing to do)
Makes me glad I am a dork. (Read: meek)
Sprung's so old, he just might be God, in disguise as a little red-headed japanese girl:lol
:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Akuma
Rep for y00 :P
huh, never thought about that.....still doesn't change my opinion though, it just works too well for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprung
But Sprung, if all the cool people don't believe in god, why do you? [/sucking up]
I would believe in God anyway, but I figure this if you don't believe in him, isn't it better to believe in him and there not be one, than to not believe and there be one? Anyway, I don't think anyone should be forced to believe in God, like some people think.
The great thing is that opinions are dynamic. Things are going to happen to you at different points in your life; things you can't even imagine right now...and every tiny detail will constantly sculpt your opinions on just about every aspect of your life. (And no, I don't mean it's because you are young - I don't know your age - ...things happen to me everyday that change my outlook on life).Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega Weapon
BTW: The sucking up gets you some rep ;)
well to answer your question from my point of view *expects people to say "you're wrong"*Quote:
Originally Posted by Warbot
If you believe in a God and their isn't one, you wasted your life following many pointless and stupid rules when you could be doing much better things with your time (it may not seem that way to christians, but some religions are pretty intensive, and some people devote quite a bit of their life to "god").
If you don't believe in a god, you go to hell. No problem here, I'd rather fry in hell than worship some "god" and his hipocritical priests and followers. As I said, I distrust any "higher being" that can do so much to help people and doesn't, that lets people die everyday, that creates a world full of pain and anger, and allows it to exist. And don't give me that "it's the devil" crap that you are all spoon fed by the religious leaders, if this so called "devil" is real and similar to the one mentioned in religious texts, then god can overpower him easily. Why sit on your throne looking at people and letting this guy run wild? I have seen much in my life, and none of it has given me reason to believe I am more than flesh and blood or that there is more to life than I can see and feel. That is the cold hard truth I have reached through my life and experience, like it or not.
Of course, either way you rot if there is no god, so I guess it's kind of moot.
ok, if there is no God, can we "start over"? Find a way to start living more peacefully w/each other on this Earth & discover whatever it is that human beings are supposed to be/do? Or if there is a God, can we begin serving Him & live out the prophecies?
Yes, we argue. Yes, we look different. (Imagine the world if every man looked like the same & every woman looked the same!?) So...we are different. It is unfortunate that today, with all the resources this Earth has & all our knowledge combined, we continue to do stupid things. Like make War, have hate against others deep enough to kill :hotmad: , and screw up the environment. We are, in effect, killing ourselves. I don't believe we will hurt the Earth enough to destroy it but surely destroy ourselves first.
I wish some kind of drammatic event would happen, that would either prove or disprove God. Beyond any reasonable doubt.
At that point, the human race might be able to get its act together and start acting better. Toward its members as well as this Earth. That's all I have to say about the subject. I cast my vote.
A couple of questions here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega Weapon
Do you know how long "eternity" is? Neither do I. I can pretty much say I'd rather not burn anywhere near that long though...
God is not hipocirtical. Some men of the cloth are, as they are human; they have free will and are not perfect.
I'd be fine with burning, besides most things religion looks down on is fun, so I'm sure hell is one awesome party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprung
God not hipocritical eh? God who says gambling is wrong and that people who follow him will never feel pain, yet the same guy who F***ed with job (God's most loyal follower) to settle a bet with Satan? not hipocritical at all. What about no revenge? Killing satan Book of revelation, and casting him out of heaven. Hipocrit. Thou shall not kill? He kills people all the time, several by his own hands (read the bible, he leveled quite a few cities in his time). I fail to se e your point Sprung.
In the Bible there are many "characters" such as Moses, David, Jesus, Saul, etc. All of these were great believers in God. They were rewarded for their faith. They were also men. The Bible also speaks of their sins and their punishment for those sins. The only one that was perfect was Jesus Christ. He was also God's son.
And his punishment for perfection? Death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
A majority? where do you get that from man? Im not like that and I dont know anyone who is brainwashed as you put it. I do what i want good or bad because I have free will. NOw there are some people who do go over board with it but hey if being "mindless" christian makes em happy then so be it they are not doing anything to youQuote:
Originally Posted by Omega Weapon
Yeah, they're not doing anything to us, except going door to door preaching the word and trying to push their religion on folks.:eyeball: And look at all the bogus tv evangelists swindling millions of dollars out of people everyday.
I believe that. I meant no harm by my statement, I just believe that most people just follow whatever they are told. The blind follower is a danger to us all, if terrorism and cults have taught us anything. Have you ever taken time to ask why? Why does god do what he does. Why does god require you to follow its rules without reason or question? I know many religious people who follow whatever the church tells them. That is my opinion, yours is also valid and I am not attacking your beliefs if you have taken time to question them. Just open your mind and look around. Look at other religious beliefs and alternatives. If you still believe what you did before, then I commend you and respect your view. My lifestyle doesn't work for everyone, but it works for me. I'm not trying to force it on you, I'm just saying what I see, and trying to give you a window into what I believe, so you may consider my views or at least respect other viewpoints on important religious matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by �p1r�t�S_dc�
Now don't take this as a personal attack, but do you really believe fear is a justifiable reason to believe in a God? Also, if one was believing only out of fear, doesn't that speak volumes about what his or her faith is? You think God would have no problem with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprung
Maybe this should be an option too, even if it's a question: Do we really care?
Do we?
You can choose to ignore the topic...Quote:
Originally Posted by Evans
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Omega Weapon again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega Weapon
I agree with much of what you've said so far. However, I do believe that there is a god. He just either abandoned us long ago to create new worlds, or is either an evil and sadistic god who created humanity for the sole purpose of laughing at our religious wars and nuclear wars. Makes sense, doesn't it?
Perhaps I thought people a tad more perceptive than they truly are...Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaenn
Unless you were trying to say implicitly that the existence of a God does not matter, I do not see your point...Quote:
Originally Posted by Evans
I knew you'd get around to it. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Xaenn
Will be back to argue a 'lil later...
By fun things were you referring to murder, stealing, or beastiality?Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega Weapon
not again. good god...
Makes sense to me (creationism I believe was the name for a creating god that ignores his own creations, I have yet to learn of a religious belief that centers around an "evil" god that is of a non satanic nature). As I said, if there is a god I believe it isn't a good loving caring god that people make it out to be. A lot of early religious followers appeared to be fearful of incurring god's wrath, so they chose to please it by following it's rules. Looks like the roots of religion even say that god is a mean MoFo who gets pissed easily, and takes enjoyment out of smyting everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hijuda
I personally am not into creationism, because I have learned much of how the world works and have seen many good scientific explainations of common things that people try to attribute to an all powerful god. Religion seems to be used a lot to explain things that people can't explain better. Science has filled that gap in my knowlege and has allowed me to reach my current belief set. Of course you have to sometimes question what put these laws in motion in the first place. I guess if you find a religion that works for you, I'm fine with it, just don't mess with others by puching it down their throats or killing people who don't agree with your belief. Also question your beliefs openly and accept new ideas and principals. That is all that is required for a good belief set IMO.
It isn't fear. It's a set of rules, and a well defined punishment for breaking them. Do you not murder your brother out of fear? No, you do not murder your brother because you know the rules, and the punishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaenn
I'd love to argue, but I agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evans
The existence of a God certainly means nothing in terms of morality...we've had the discussion before, and clearly a God saying something is moral doesn't make it moral. Something is moral because it is moral.
As far as a purpose to our existence, God doesn't do much there either. Something doesn't suddenly gain meaning because "God told you to." But once you accept that the only meaning that could be brought to your actions by a God is an eternal reward. But if that's the only reason you are doing something, what is the point? If there's not already inherent meaning in existence, existing without meaning for eternity is pretty worthless. But if there is already inherent meaning to our existence, you should fulfill that regardless of whether or not a God exists. Furthermore, if a God does exist, it seems folly that God would want you to act in any way other than that which brings meaning to your existence, otherwise it would be senseless to create you.
The only way out of this circle is to say that the point of our existence is to serve God. Any God that would create me solely for serving him is not worthy of anything from me.
That really scares me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega Weapon
God didn't kill Lucifer. Lucifer thought he was better than God, and assembled a band of angels to follow him. God cast Lucifer out of heaven, and gave him Hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega Weapon
I can't counter all your points, I'm not that good...
How about premarital sex, fattening food, money, excess, feeling happy (as in not constanly feeling repressed due to religion), or feeling free of religious oppression and pointless laws? As for murdering, stealing and beastiality, I haven't pissed off anyone enough for them to want to kill me and can probably beat around some murderers (they are just wimps that pray on the weak such as women, no offense to women of course, just saying that murderers prefer women because they are easy to overpower), I'll watch my back for theifs, and I bet those animal humpers will just be too busy nailing cattle to bother me. What the hell is wrong with that? I'm not going with a bunch of virginal repressed people who don't feel anger and who have to constanly ask themselves "what would jesus do?" before everything, I want the crazy horny women who aren't afraid to have a good time. Now that is heaven (or hell) for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kosmo Yagkoto
Actually, he eventually did in a once and for all killing of all evils at the end of the final biblical book. Besides, casting satan out of heaven and leaving him in hell? that sounds like holding a grudge to me (what happened to love your enemy?) not to mention vengence (also a sin). This guy is the most crooked idea I have ever heard of, and I'm just scratching the surface. There are loads of hipocritical actions made by god in the bible and other religious texts which clearly mark him as evil and not liking to follow his own rules. He gives us all the rules and punishes all who break them with eternal damnation, yet he himself is more deserving of punishment than anyone else (think of god as a crooked cop, but nobody has the stones to shut him down). Besides, what ever happened to help others as much as you can and all that? God sure doesn't seem to like lending us a hand, leaving the human race on the brink of catastrophe for several years, with no end in sight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprung