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Hi, i downloaded Sonic Adventure 2 for Dreamcast from this link m.emuparadise.me/Sega_Dreamcast_ISOs/Sonic_Adventure_2_(Europe)(En,Fr,De,Es,Jp)/51708
The .cdi is 820 MB, how do i burn it in a cd? Do i need a 800mb cd? Or can i overburn the image in a classic 700mb cd? Thanks!
Dreamcast games are burnt onto CD-R format discs. You cannot use DVDs or CD-RW discs. To ensure the best chances for your burnt games, use a high-quality disc like Memorex or Verbatim. Burn with disc juggler:
Then hit new then click Burn CD and DVD images then do the following:
1. Mount the .CDI file
2. Go to the advanced tab
3. Click the down box and set mode to MODE 2
4. Click RAW WRITE
5. Set write speed at lowest possible
6. Hit burn and within 20-30minutes you should have the disc ready
Most games are auto-boot(meaning they start without having to use another disc) I have not had a game that isn't auto boot and I have tried a lot of games
Crazy Taxi
Quake 3
PSO PAL V2
Typing of the Dead
Sonic Adventure 2
Soul Calibur
Half-life
Sonic Shuffle
All these games I have tried and I can confirm that they should start with out the other disc(I don't even know what the other disc is called because I have never run into the problem) https://dreamcast-talk.com/forum/vie...php?t=1444#top
Thanks for the response, but i still dont understand: should I use a regular 700mb cd or a bigger one? The image i found of sonic adventure 2 is 820mb. Will the game fit into regular cd?
That file only shows 594Mb
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Just do a Google search and you'll find a modified version of imgburn and no 700mb cds are fine just Overburn it won't cease any problems
It is zipped ya know.Quote:
Originally Posted by killapinke
Wait for Zorlon he knows more about DC games than anyones. Pretty sure you can use a 90 min cd and overburn but let's wait and see what he says.
Ok, i dont know who he is, but i guess i'll wait his answer :)
Any other knows anything?
https://www.epforums.org/showthread.php?84694
Looks like I was basically right. Guide by Zorlon.
I dont even know if i can find a 99min cd here :D i guess ill search a second hand original game
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Uhm?
You could try an 800mb cd and overburn and see if that works since it's just slightly over.
I bought a stock of 10 cds from amazon, ill try and see. Do i need to overburn for 820mb image? The cd is 800. Also what do you raccomend? Discjungler?
Depends on your OS for ImgBurn and Mill CD images (anything that is not Windows 10 will be fine)
Otherwise Discjuggler is fine default settings mostly (Demo version is fine even with the stated limit)
Overburn enabled (just keep that enabled but not needed for this game)
If asked to repair the image always say No
that image will fit onto a standard 80 min CD-R, the image is actually just under 80 mins 79:58:68 MSF (359918 blocks)
the image size is 776 MB as stated but the actual contents uses less than 700MB, but I would still enable overburn just in case anyway the disc does need a final close session burned
Discjuggler even the demo version is still the best software for multi session cdi images (Dreamcast Mill CD rips) even if it does ask if you want to repair something that is not broken
Sorry for thew late reply I have had other things on that have keep me away for some time
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Overburn can squeeze in a few extra bytes with ease for reference we are using Audio + Mode 2 for this game, most will use Mode 2 or a mix of Audio and Mode 2, the disc image is 814,496,494 in bytes, so even there it will still fit a normal 80 min CD but you also have to remember this is a multi session disc so there is extra data wrote (open session close session open session and close session)Code:Disc Playing Audio CD-ROM CD-ROM CD-i/XA CD-i/XA
Size Time (2,352 Mode 1 Mode 2 Form 1 Form 2
Bytes/Block) (2,048 (2,336 (2,048 (2,324
Bytes/Block) Bytes/Block) Bytes/Block) Bytes/Block)
8 cm 18 min 190,512,000 165,888,000 189,216,000 165,888,000 188,244,000
8 cm 21 min 222,264,000 193,536,000 220,752,000 193,536,000 219,618,000
12 cm 63 min 666,792,000 580,608,000 662,256,000 580,608,000 658,854,000
12 cm 74 min 783,216,000 681,984,000 777,888,000 681,984,000 773,892,000
12 cm 80 min 846,720,000 737,280,000 840,960,000 737,280,000 836,640,000
I do have a few 99min CD-R rips on our main server but they do state that you require 99 min CD-R's but ~I did try an include 80min options for as many of those as I could
Thanks for your answer. Only a question: the image is 820mb not 776, will it fit?
Sorry was looking at the wrong image yes it will fit it's actually smaller than the image I was looking at from the contents point of view and stores 72:54:08 MSF on CD
Image size is not the same as the amount of data that is burned to CD
Attachment 54477
Still enable overburn and say no to any repair Q
HINT: When you open a disc image in Discjuggler to burn it tells you MSF [Minute:Second:Frame 00:00:00] this one fits a 74min CD though most today are 80min anyway so yeah burn away
Just remember you are dealing with either CD-ROM Mode 2 (2,336 Bytes/Block) or a Mix mode of Audio (2,352 Bytes/Block) & CD-ROM Mode 2 (2,336 Bytes/Block) , you can use the chart in my last post to figure that out or you can simply open the cdi in Discjuggler as above to tell you the exact MSF it uses
P.S. every game I uploaded in cdi format is selfbotting aka Dreamcast Mil-CD format so none of those need a boot CD (That would be called Utopia but it's not needed)
Ok thanks. As soon as my cds arrive, ill try to burn :) do you raccomend overburning?
Yes a lot of the Dreamcast Mil-CD rips use overburn
Overburn only kicks in if the data over shoots the default limits of a CD-R but never does if the data does not over shoot the limit it does not get used, so there no harm having it enabled at all times as it will only activate for those CD images that are slightly too big for the CD
Also 90min and 99min CD-Rs will use overburn when burning over 80mins also, as the 80min limit is still there is those also even if they have more space available (a standard 80Min CD-R can not be overburned to 90min or 99min so you do still require the correct CD-R's for those rips)
P.S. I still had the wrong image open... that image requires overburn enabled anyway
The screen grab shows the MSF 81:17:10 for the disc in question, the other image was for Sonic 1 not 2 anyway overburn with enable that to burn on a standard 80min CD-R, the rip was intentionally done that way to fit an 80min CD-R
Attachment 54478
I have actually stopped doing Dreamcast RIPs myself though as I took the plunge and got myself a USB GD-Rom and run my games from a USB HDD hooked up to my Dreamcast, though that did cost apx £100 just for the board and the cost of a Portable USB HDD (1 TB was enough to fit all the games on it even though I was using GDI images that are apx 1.2 GB for each disc even if the contents of some of those are less than 1.2 GB because they are RAW dumps the image size is still 1.2 GB but there are only about 300 games for Dreamcast if I remember correctly)
Looks like i successfully burned it. Thanks all!
Anybody running this on the new DEMUL? I've seen it play Shenmue in 4K now.
This is the Console section (users of real consoles) so unlikely you will get an answer to thatQuote:
Originally Posted by emulatorlowndown
There are wide screen hacks for this game also
google Shenmue Dojo widescreen or dreamcast widescreen codes (better than using emulators to do this for you) then use either NullDC or DEmul there are a number of hacks for NullDC just for shenmue games as well, not something I really bothered with though myself I still use my dreamcast, also there should be a re release of Shenmue 1 and 2 on it's way to PS4 and xbone with Shenmue 3 in the back end of this year if it's still on schedule that is (Not to say that it will be 4K though but it should have much nicer graphics to start with) saying that though it is possible to re texture the Dreamcast version
I want to ask a question: today i tried to play the game for the first time (it worked 3 weeks ago when i burned it) and it didnt boot, it kept showing it as audio cd. Then i started playing another game for 20 minutes, after that i retried with my burned sonic adventure 2 cd and this time it worked....do you think the cd is damaged? What you say?
It's probably either the media you're using or the maybe laser is funny about burned discs. I'm not personally familiar with this hardware but I would assume media issue...it's a common problem with poor quality discs. Brand isn't really relevant it's who manufactured the discs.
Today it did it again :( it didnt start, then i played 10 minutes another game, then it started...what do you say? Should i try to burn it again?
Those are the cds, they are not good maybe?
https://www.amazon.it/dp/B0002U9RQQ/..._C6UvHMNGVmCT9
Or maybe is it time to buy a ps4 :)?
Use standard 80min CD-R's not 90min one and yeah they are possibly no good for the Dreamcast I have had CD-R's especially sized bigger than 80min that just will not work on the Dreamcast either not at all or only for short times
The only good 99min CD-R's I used are Banana branded (don't ask they are not easy to find now)
Buy a PS4 anyway or even better a PS3 there are tons and tons of great games for that, the PS4 is great but lacks the amount of games that are there for PS3 and the games are reasonably cheap for the PS3
U sure a 80 minutes cd will hold a 820mb game? Its 100+ mb missing..
I had already gone through that open it up with Discjuggler it even tells you the content space in MSF Mins/Seconds/Frame (if I remember correctly it's 70 frames per seconds)
The actual file size of a disc image is always more than the actual space used on a CD, I do believe overburn was needed for this one but it will fit a 80min CD-R without issue (overburn is required for any CD image contents over 80mins even if you use CD-R's of 90min or 99min)
MSF 81:17:10 for that disc and yes that will fit on a 80Min CD-R with overburn in fact that is what is was intended for you do not need a CD with more space (overburn is used for any CD image that uses more than 80 mins even if you use a CD-R of higher capacity)
Use Discjuggler (free version is fine even with the 700MB limit [The limit is not implemented for CD burns just DVD burns so can be ignored ~I have burned and created 99min CD-R rips with the free version])
Make sure Overburn is enabled
Make sure you say No if asked to repair the CD image
I already went through this as well, but different burn modes/data types allow for more or less space to be used because of how much space can be used per block on a CD-R
The following info is without overburn as overbiurn can enable you to burn more than 80mins or 80:00:00 MSF apx 2 mins of overburn can be used (a little under usually)
Mode 1 data uses 2,048 Bytes per CD block 737,280,000 Bytes for a 80min CD-R that is 703.125 MB total
Audio data uses 2,352 Bytes per CD block 846,720,000 Bytes for a 80min CD-R that is 807.495 MB total
Mode 2 data uses 2,336 Bytes per CD block 840,960,000 Bytes for a 80min CD-R that is 802.001 MB total
Dreamcast CD-R's use Multi session information that will add to the total as there will be at least two open sessions and two close sessions
Dreamcast CD-R's use either Mode 2 on both sessions or a session of Mode 2 and a session of Audio single or multi tracked
Again disc image size is always bigger than the actual contents size so a 820MB image file contents will be a bit less than 820MB when burned to a disc
I burned it on a regular 700mb cd and still no luck....this time it didnt even boot once....maybe the .cdi is not good? I had to buy it 17 years ago, i knew it :)