Kega Fusion Emulator: Sega CD Start-Up Complications

So, I recently decided to boot up Sonic CD on the Sega CD side of my Fusion emulator and was disheartened to find that when I loaded both my version 1.00 BIOS ( and before anyone asks, yes, I DO own both variations of the Sega CD console, not that either actually WORK, mind you ) , with the menu prompting me to "Press RESET to open the CD tray" ( for some reason ) , and my version 2.00 BIOS, prompting me to "Press the Start Button", each would immediately bring me to the CD-player side of the console after pressing start, with no clear way to navigate out of said menu nor successfully boot up the particular ISO file which I had originally intended to run.

Have I missed a vital step in configuring the settings for this particular side of the emulator, or do I need to download an additional file in order to render proper functionality of this console?





Just in case it's needed, here is the model name for the laptop I am currently running the Kega Fusion emulator off of: 'Presario CQ56 Notebook PC'

My first question would be how are you going about loading the disc image for Sonic CD? Also do you have Fusion setup properly with the BIOS file? This is how I have mine set up, and it seems to work fine;

1. I've obtained the BIOS file from here; http://www.emuparadise.me/biosfiles/SegaCD.zip. The particular BIOS file I used was "Sega CD - M1 V1.10.bin", located in this folder. I renamed this file to "us_bios.bin, and set the directory to this file under "Set Config... > Sega CD Tab > USA BIOS" using the Browse button next to it.

2. To actually load the game, I did "File > Load SegaCD Image", and then selected my Sonic CD ISO file. This prompted me to press start; doing so loaded the game properly.

Try Loading the .cue File

@MaslowK: Yes, I followed those steps exactly numerous times, using every variation of the USA BIOS files that were available and yet I'm still brought to the blasted CD-player screen after pressing the start button, with no visible way to boot up the ISO file at all ( despite selecting it from it's respective folder upon bootup ).


@Dave The Man: And that's simply a converted version of the typical .bin files, correct?

Hi. ^_^

The .cue file is used to write/burn the CD and contains the info for the tracks... although I do not
know exactly how it works, if you open the .cue file with notepad you will understand. I do know,
however, that it can give different results by loading the .cue file in the emulator instead of the
ISO, but, in my case, I used "Gens v11a" (the one that can record movies) and with by loading
the .cue I would have no soundtrack at all, but by loading the ISO it worked.

Have you tried with Gens? :!!!:

(I know the thread mentions Kega, but it is always an option)

And what version is the Sonic CD ISO you are using? Any additional information would help.

- No, I haven't tried booting the Sega CD with Gens yet, but I've read through many simple tutorials elsewhere regarding running this system off of Kega and the process seems very easy and straightforward. I just don't know what I could be doing wrong.

- I'm running the NTSC version of Sonic CD in ISO file format. I'm not sure if there are any other variations of this particular localization.

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- No, I haven't tried booting the Sega CD with Gens yet, but I've read through many simple tutorials elsewhere regarding running this system off of Kega and the process seems very easy and straightforward. I just don't know what I could be doing wrong.

- I'm running the NTSC version of Sonic CD in ISO file format. I'm not sure if there are any other variations of this particular localization.

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NTSC could be (USA) or (JAP). The one here on emuparadise is the (U), but Sonic CD is easy to identify
since the soundtracks are different. If it is the (J) version and you have the (USA) bios, it will not load.

Sorry if I cannot help further... ^^;;;

Well, assuming you're using the copy of Sonic CD off of this website (same one I'm using & know for a fact works), the only explanation I have is that it was somehow corrupted during the download. You could try redownloading it, or even redownloading Kega Fusion.

I could also note I'm using, more specifically, Fusion V3.64, on the off chance you happen to be using a different version, doubtful as that is.

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Originally Posted by 8DXD8

- I'm running the NTSC version of Sonic CD in ISO file format. I'm not sure if there are any other variations of this particular localization.

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Have you Tried putting the File in Daemon Tools and in Kega pressing Boot Sega CD?

1. Make sure you have all 3 CD bios setup with the correct regional bios for each
2. Make sure perfect Sync is enabled (this will help with a few games)

Point 1 should fix most issues, almost any Sega CD bios version will do aswell

... actually there is a guide for CD emulation, it's for Gens but you can use it for Kega Fusion aswell (Fusion is the beter emulator)

http://www.epforums.org/showthread.php?20682

to be honest there is alot of second guessing going on here, due to lack of info

Maybe a screen shot upload of the actual game files might help if you still do not have the thing working

I will get the game working for you I will need a lil more information I'm not one for guessing, unless I know what the exact issue is

@MaslowK: No, I haven't downloaded said ISO from this site yet since I've been getting a message displaying that the "Service is Temporarily Unavailable" whenever I click on the 'Direct Download' link. But after switching browsers, it appears that said download has worked and the ISO file DOES in fact run successfully now!

@Dave the Man: Pardon my newbish ignorance, but what is this 'Daemon Tools'?

@Zorlon: The single USA BIOS that I am currently using appears to run with my US version of Sonic CD just fine as it is.



The only issue currently hindering me is a blatant lack of sound throughout the game. What must I do in order to remedy that?

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Originally Posted by 8DXD8

The only issue currently hindering me is a blatant lack of sound throughout the game. What must I do in order to remedy that?

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You need to tell me what files you have for the CD image as I asked, before I can get this working for you but I need to know what you have now

As a second guess though you have an iso and a bunch of bin files or ape files, but I would rather you just told me what you had

P.S. some games just will not work without the sound files working also...

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Originally Posted by 8DXD8

@MaslowK: No, I haven't downloaded said ISO from this site yet since I've been getting a message displaying that the "Service is Temporarily Unavailable" whenever I click on the 'Direct Download' link. But after switching browsers, it appears that said download has worked and the ISO file DOES in fact run successfully now!

@Dave the Man: Pardon my newbish ignorance, but what is this 'Daemon Tools'?

@Zorlon: The single USA BIOS that I am currently using appears to run with my US version of Sonic CD just fine as it is.



The only issue currently hindering me is a blatant lack of sound throughout the game. What must I do in order to remedy that?

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Daemon Tools is a Program where you Can Load up ISO's in a Vitrual CD Rom and use it as a Normal CD/DVD Rom

Site Here:

http://www.daemon-tools.cc/eng/home

Sounds like you got it working by Downloading the one from here. Load up the .cue file and the Sound should be there

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Originally Posted by Zorlon

this is going to be a pain in the back side I know but you need to rename all of the *.bin files to *.wav, but you also need to rename every sound file so it contains the same file name as the iso file then a space then 02.wav for the first sound file 03.wav for the second one and so on

should look like:-
Sonic CD (Europe).iso (the actual CD image)
Sonic CD (Europe) 02.wav
Sonic CD (Europe) 03.wav
/ect... ect.../
Sonic CD (Europe) 34.wav
Sonic CD (Europe) 35.wav

http://www.epforums.org/showthread.p...ith-Gens-Guide has a good guide for emulating CD games in Gens or Fusion (the same rules apply for both Gens and Fusion for naming your CD games and the basic setup of the emulator/s)

P.S. if you want to know what is the beter emulator... well they are both great but Fusion does support more games including Sega/Mega CD-32X games that Gens has no support for, not that there are many CD-32X games anyway lol

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Quote from another problem much the same as this one, though if you have ape files they need to be converted first, not just renamed

@Zorlon: The file I'm using for Sonic CD is the .bin file included in the zip file that is offered for download off of this site. When I load the .bin file, it plays the game successfully, but with a lack of any background music whatsoever ( only character/enemy sfx ). When I load the .cue file that was included in the zip file, it brings me to the CD player, displaying each track included in the game, although none of these tracks appear to be audible either.

And there doesn't appear to be any external sound file plugins that came with Fusion when I downloaded it, so I can't possibly rename each of them as you suggested.

mount via the cue file with D-Tools Lite and run the game directly from a CD-Rom drive (D-Tools Lite is a virtual CD-Rom drive or emulator if you like)

most Sega/Mega CD images have a single Bin or Iso file and several sound files that must be named correctly

Bin images can contain sound tracks aswell as the data track but to access the sound tracks you must run the bin via a cue files otherwise whatever software trying to read it can't see anything asides from the data track

If you like, you can point me toi the exact copy of the game and I will see if I can't figure it out for you or you could just grab another copy

@Zorlon: Sorry if I come off as a bit dense, but would you mind taking me through the steps needed to do what you suggest? Are you saying that you're better off running these games as CD-ROM files rather than image files? Or do you have to merge them/load them simultaneously?

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Originally Posted by 8DXD8

@Zorlon: Sorry if I come off as a bit dense, but would you mind taking me through the steps needed to do what you suggest? Are you saying that you're better off running these games as CD-ROM files rather than image files? Or do you have to merge them/load them simultaneously?

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Will you be able to do a Screenshot of the Files?

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Originally Posted by 8DXD8

@Zorlon: Sorry if I come off as a bit dense, but would you mind taking me through the steps needed to do what you suggest? Are you saying that you're better off running these games as CD-ROM files rather than image files? Or do you have to merge them/load them simultaneously?

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If it's mounting a CD image in Daemon Tools Lite (D-Tools lite) then look at http://www.epforums.org/showthread.php?43438 it is an old guide for doing that (only thing I would do extra is while installing D-Tools Lite is make sure that the extra driver SPTD is also installed (you will be asked during the install of D-Tools))

D-Tools is a virtual CD-Rom drive that can run CD-Images as if they are an actual CD-Rom inserted into a actual CD-Rom drive, simply put it's a CD-Rom Drive emulator

@Zorlon: And would you suggest using such a program for running Sega CD games to their full potential as opposed to regular ISO files?

@Dave The Man: I'm not sure which files you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by 8DXD8

@Dave The Man: I'm not sure which files you're talking about.

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The Files from for Sonic CD

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Originally Posted by 8DXD8

@Zorlon: And would you suggest using such a program for running Sega CD games to their full potential as opposed to regular ISO files?

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Works perfectly fine both ways, depends on what format the ISO is and the layout of it

Dave the Man is asking for the same thing I did a number of posts back, basicly a list of what files you have for the ISO, this will help us help you run the ISO without the need of D-Tools and such, though D-Tools is a very handy tool to have anyway for other CD based game system emulators like Saturn and Playstation and many others

@Zorlon: I apologize, but I'm not sure which files you're specifying. When I downloaded the Sonic CD iso off of this site, the only two files that came with it were the respective .bin and .cue files.

Where else am I supposed to find these particular files that you're mentioning, and what ARE they exactly?

Neh that will do me :)

If you wanted to use that in Kega Fusion with sound you will need to extract the sound files (you may want to extract the data track also as a data only bin file, up to you)

ISOBuster (free use only) will do this fine

grab ISObuster install (on the first run you will be asked to reg the software or use free func.., 'free func..' is fine)

open the by the cue file (the bin data is automaticly read)

from this software you will be able to extract all the tracks

right click on trhe track you wish to extract then move the mouse to Extract track XX (use extract audio as wav for the sound track and use RAW for that data track)

make sure that you name the files correctly

e.g.

Sonic CD.bin
Sonic CD 02.wav
Sonic CD 03.wav
.... and so on

I also have an old guide using CDRWin but my link for the download of it no longer exists

The guide is still mostly useable though at http://www.epforums.org/showthread.php?24721

P.S. for this game it would be much quicker just to download it as a Bin plus mp3's and takes up alot less space

I am downloading this game myself though and I will do a couple of quick tests for you on my end with Kega Fusion

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Works fine for me ran directly in Fusion via the cue file, sound track are read fine aswell

if you can't run the cue file and it just takes you directly to the music player, it will be beacuse yhou tried to rename the files

the above can be fixed by editing the c ue file with notepad or other text editor and changing the line...
FILE "SONIC_CD_-_SEGA_CD_MK-4407_(REDUMP).BIN" BINARY
to look for the correct file e.g. if the bin file is now called Sonic CD.bin, then chaning the line to read
FILE "SONIC CD.BIN" BINARY
will make it run correctly again

@Zorlon: So do these .wav files that I'm extracting from the ISO file need to be grouped together with the .bin and .cue files in it's own separate folder or something like that? I'm still a little confused as to how I'm supposed to apply these instructions.

And does that CDRWin guide you posted apply only to the .cue files?

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Originally Posted by 8DXD8

@Zorlon: So do these .wav files that I'm extracting from the ISO file need to be grouped together with the .bin and .cue files in it's own separate folder or something like that? I'm still a little confused as to how I'm supposed to apply these instructions.

And does that CDRWin guide you posted apply only to the .cue files?

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Yeah the same place as the .bin and .cue file

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Originally Posted by 8DXD8

@Zorlon: So do these .wav files that I'm extracting from the ISO file need to be grouped together with the .bin and .cue files in it's own separate folder or something like that? I'm still a little confused as to how I'm supposed to apply these instructions.

And does that CDRWin guide you posted apply only to the .cue files?

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Forget about the guide and forget about extracting the wav files

Edit the cue file via notpad like I said in my last post and fix the first line so it looks for your re-named bin file

Also make sure you have version 3.64 of Fusion, this version will let you load a cue file directly (older versions may do also, it just happens it was version 3.64 that I tested with)

@Zorlon: Alright, so I renamed the .cue file in notepad to "SONIC CD.BIN" specifically but it still brings me to the CD player side of the system after I press start, showing no visible way to start the game. I can't even check if the actual in-game tracks are going to play or not!

the cue file is still incorrect then....

copy and paste what is in the cue file (what is shown what you have it open in notepad) [paste it to a reply]
also give me the exact name of the bin file

I will fix this for you ;)

Certainly, this is what showed up:



FILE "SONIC CD.BIN" BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE1/2352
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
PREGAP 00:02:00
INDEX 01 13:10:11
TRACK 03 AUDIO
INDEX 00 13:14:25
INDEX 01 13:16:25
TRACK 04 AUDIO
INDEX 00 15:05:39
INDEX 01 15:07:39
TRACK 05 AUDIO
INDEX 00 16:27:42
INDEX 01 16:29:42
TRACK 06 AUDIO
INDEX 00 17:53:52
INDEX 01 17:55:52
TRACK 07 AUDIO
INDEX 00 19:34:57
INDEX 01 19:36:57
TRACK 08 AUDIO
INDEX 00 20:55:62
INDEX 01 20:57:62
TRACK 09 AUDIO
INDEX 00 22:18:63
INDEX 01 22:20:63
TRACK 10 AUDIO
INDEX 00 24:15:00
INDEX 01 24:17:00
TRACK 11 AUDIO
INDEX 00 25:36:02
INDEX 01 25:38:02
TRACK 12 AUDIO
INDEX 00 26:55:06
INDEX 01 26:57:06
TRACK 13 AUDIO
INDEX 00 28:39:10
INDEX 01 28:41:10
TRACK 14 AUDIO
INDEX 00 29:58:43
INDEX 01 30:00:43
TRACK 15 AUDIO
INDEX 00 31:04:55
INDEX 01 31:06:55
TRACK 16 AUDIO
INDEX 00 32:37:58
INDEX 01 32:39:58
TRACK 17 AUDIO
INDEX 00 33:40:68
INDEX 01 33:42:68
TRACK 18 AUDIO
INDEX 00 35:01:74
INDEX 01 35:03:74
TRACK 19 AUDIO
INDEX 00 36:58:09
INDEX 01 37:00:09
TRACK 20 AUDIO
INDEX 00 38:12:19
INDEX 01 38:14:19
TRACK 21 AUDIO
INDEX 00 39:20:25
INDEX 01 39:22:25
TRACK 22 AUDIO
INDEX 00 40:46:32
INDEX 01 40:48:32
TRACK 23 AUDIO
INDEX 00 41:53:39
INDEX 01 41:55:39
TRACK 24 AUDIO
INDEX 00 43:07:45
INDEX 01 43:09:45
TRACK 25 AUDIO
INDEX 00 44:28:49
INDEX 01 44:30:49
TRACK 26 AUDIO
INDEX 00 45:53:50
INDEX 01 45:55:50
TRACK 27 AUDIO
INDEX 00 46:24:51
INDEX 01 46:26:51
TRACK 28 AUDIO
INDEX 00 46:55:52
INDEX 01 46:57:52
TRACK 29 AUDIO
INDEX 00 47:06:12
INDEX 01 47:08:12
TRACK 30 AUDIO
INDEX 00 47:30:13
INDEX 01 47:32:13
TRACK 31 AUDIO
INDEX 00 47:53:51
INDEX 01 47:55:51
TRACK 32 AUDIO
INDEX 00 48:06:52
INDEX 01 48:08:52
TRACK 33 AUDIO
INDEX 00 50:09:62
INDEX 01 50:11:62
TRACK 34 AUDIO
INDEX 00 52:14:71
INDEX 01 52:16:71
TRACK 35 AUDIO
INDEX 00 53:47:73
INDEX 01 53:49:73

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Originally Posted by Zorlon

also give me the exact name of the bin file

I will fix this for you ;)

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The name of my .bin file is "SONIC CD.BIN". I placed it at the top of the last post.

if you have that file in the same folder as the cue file it should work fine, if it still is not working though the only thing I can think of is that you have added .BIN to the end of the file name for SONIC CD.BIN in that case it may be that you have folder settings set up so it will "hide file extentions of known file types", if this is the case (the real name of it will be SONIC CD.BIN.BIN, if *.BIN files are a known file type) you can just remove the .bin from the file name and that should fix it again

the cue file itself can be named anything you like aslong as it looks for the correct file inside of the cue, that you seem to have perfectly FILE "SONIC CD.BIN" BINARY

The cue file you have is in perfect working order and should be kept in the same folder as the bin file

The only way I could simulate your problem was to have my cue looking for the incorrect file (I renamed the bin file then tested the cue to see what happens and it just takes me to the music player within Kega Fusion) once I fixed the cue to look for the renamed bin it worked as it should again

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Originally Posted by 8DXD8

The name of my .bin file is "SONIC CD.BIN". I placed it at the top of the last post.

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Could you upload all the Files,

So we can have proper look

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Could you upload all the Files,

So we can have proper look

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8DXD8 downloaded the file from us in the first place, the mistake that was made, was that the binary file was renamed so the cue file no longer found the binary file, I fail to see what uploading something that was downloaded from us would do though.

Did you ever get this working????

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Originally Posted by Zorlon

8DXD8 downloaded the file from us in the first place, the mistake that was made, was that the binary file was renamed so the cue file no longer found the binary file, I fail to see what uploading something that was downloaded from us would do though.

Did you ever get this working????

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I can't find the Link to download it sorry in this Thread

Excuse the late reply, but I removed the ".BIN" portion from the name of my Sonic CD .bin file and the game now runs with sound when I boot the .cue file. Thanks for the help everyone!


I also have one more question out of curiosity: are the opening and closing videos to Sonic CD supposed to play through the Kega emulator? Or is this particular component to the game not supported?

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Originally Posted by 8DXD8

Excuse the late reply, but I removed the ".BIN" portion from the name of my Sonic CD .bin file and the game now runs with sound when I boot the .cue file. Thanks for the help everyone!


I also have one more question out of curiosity: are the opening and closing videos to Sonic CD supposed to play through the Kega emulator? Or is this particular component to the game not supported?

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That is Fantastic you got it to work. So you just Named the File wrong the Whole Time?

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Originally Posted by 8DXD8

Excuse the late reply, but I removed the ".BIN" portion from the name of my Sonic CD .bin file and the game now runs with sound when I boot the .cue file. Thanks for the help everyone!


I also have one more question out of curiosity: are the opening and closing videos to Sonic CD supposed to play through the Kega emulator? Or is this particular component to the game not supported?

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Should work just fine it may just be the version of the game you got, that maybe has those missing or maybe the Megadrive version never had em, I don't know the score on this game, but CD games that have video in them play it just fine

P.S. I never did tell you how to set windows to show extentions of known files.... You just open an explorer window (a windows showing folders and files, opening a folder does this), press F10 to show the menu that is normally hidden, then click on "Tools" then "Folder Options", this will open up a new window with various options within, click on the "View" tab then find the option "Hide extentions of known file types" and remove the tick to the left of it, lastly hit Apply then OK, this comes in handy when renaming files