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Originally Posted by Mr. Nemo

The problem with a conspiracy theory is everything is labeled as one when the person trying to deny it can't rebut the accuser. It doesn't fully matter if I believe the concentration camp piece (ponder face: although Hitler did the same thing before rounding up the minorities), what matters is actually trying to prove these people wrong. If you can't, you shouldn't deny them. They are as correct as your uninformed ass is on the subject. Whether that changes something is a different subject entirely since both parties aren't usually in a position to affect change when debating conspiracy theories. It's usually one speck bickering against another when their squabbling is only done to vindicate their ego.

Also, Google is a good search engine to use, but since Google and Yahoo can filter websites, it isn't the best place to confirm shit as fact. Many countries try to hide terrible things they have done and it is only recently those things are revealed. How long did it take for the U.S. to release the possible terrorist attack on it's own people? 50 years after a FOIA? The whole point I'm making is actually look it up and see their side before making a judgement. Both sides can be wrong when trying to correct each other.

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Simple logic and looking into the U.S goverment can disprove almost all of them. They are simply people either being to distrusting or paranoid. Seriously look at half the stupid shit out there. This conspiracy theroy is big enough to be put on Wikipedia where a lot are left off of the main list

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Evil aliens
See also: Alien invasion
A somewhat different version of this theory maintains that humanity is actually under the control of shape-shifting alien reptiles, who require periodic ingestion of human blood to maintain their human appearance. David Icke has been a devoted proponent of this theory.[72] According to Icke, the Bush family and the British Royal Family are actually such creatures, and Diana, Princess of Wales was aware of this, presumably relating to her death.[72] David Icke's theory, which encompasses many other conspiracy theories, is that humanity is actually under the reptilians; with evidence ranging from Sumerian tablets describing the "Anunnaki" (which he translates as "those who from heaven to earth came"), to the serpent in the Biblical Garden of Eden, to child abuse and water fluoridation.

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I'm sorry but with over a ton of these it is hard to argue with idiocy.

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Originally Posted by Raype

And how exactly did Hitler treat people?

Keep in mind early reports of the Holocaust came from the Soviet Military, since they rolled into them way before the allies did.

And the reports came from Soviet owned media. Like RussiaToday's forefathers.

Also note that Hitler hated secret societies with political aspirations. Like the Jews. And the Freemasons. He was blatantly anti-Illuminati.

It's almost as if there's some kind of "Conspiracy" here... :wacko:

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Even though you are joking, you could be right. Only a select few were on site to record information and every country lies to look like the good guy. Hitler did it himself, so could the Allies. It is off the assumption that the original reports are correct you could believe the official report.

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Originally Posted by Roxas_XII

Just landed interviews for July 11-14 with these bands.

-Casting Crowns
-Tenth Avenue North
-These Hearts
-RED
-Bright Light Parade
-Thousand Foot Krutch
-Third Day

:D

I'm really excited. :)

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Only heard of RED, but how do you acquire these?

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Originally Posted by Spose'

He could help with the goal. Although he ruled by Hippocracy. Maybe we should go hunting for the Chamber at Area 51 where they keep it. Now you know why they have so much security :wacko:

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I thought it was because the lizard people were imprisoning the clone of Jesus in there and were trying to cross breed him with Satan, who is a space dragon. They're also running a eugenics program to create better quality humans to work in their unobtainium mines.

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Originally Posted by Spose'

Only heard of RED, but how do you acquire these?

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I work for a group called Project Jesus Freak. :P Lol. After my interview with Rigtheous Vendetta they asked me to work for them, so I said yes and now I can pretty much land any interview of my choosing lol. And since I'm going to Sonshine 2012 this year I decided to interview these guys lol.

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Originally Posted by Raype

I thought it was because the lizard people were imprisoning the clone of Jesus in there and were trying to cross breed him with Satan, who is a space dragon. They're also running a eugenics program to create better quality humans to work in their unobtainium mines.

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LOL. Or it could be the Skull and Bones, Illuminati, 10001 club, Bohemian Grove and Hitler (Whom actually is a giant blood sucking lizard whom came from outerspace) all working there for domination of an highly advanced underground race whom cause all the earthquakes as a way to attack without making there presence known.

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Originally Posted by Spose'

Simple logic and looking into the U.S goverment can disprove almost all of them. They are simply people either being to distrusting or paranoid. Seriously look at half the stupid shit out there. This conspiracy theroy is big enough to be put on Wikipedia where a lot are left off of the main list. I'm sorry but with over a ton of these it is hard to argue with idiocy.

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You are using a strawman tactic by picking something so out there, it looks ludicrous and can't possibly be true. All I'm trying to get at is bias goes beyond the newspaper and you can't believe anything until you see it with your own eyes. Assuming things is the easiest way to get run amok and controlled like a fool. That is how most religious wars are started.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nemo

You are using a strawman tactic by picking something so out there, it looks ludicrous and can't possibly be true. All I'm trying to get at is bias goes beyond the newspaper and you can't believe anything until you see it with your own eyes. Assuming things is the easiest way to get run amok and controlled like a fool. That is how most religious wars are started.

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They all are out there, Such as almost everything on this page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ormal_activity

Lets see, india or us cause a flood that murders tons of civilians on purpose.

Many many things.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nemo

The problem with a conspiracy theory is everything is labeled as one when the person trying to deny it can't rebut the accuser. It doesn't fully matter if I believe the concentration camp piece (ponder face: although Hitler did the same thing before rounding up the minorities), what matters is actually trying to prove these people wrong. If you can't, you shouldn't deny them. They are as correct as your uninformed ass is on the subject. Whether that changes something is a different subject entirely since both parties aren't usually in a position to affect change when debating conspiracy theories. It's usually one speck bickering against another when their squabbling is only done to vindicate their ego.

Also, Google is a good search engine to use, but since Google and Yahoo can filter websites, it isn't the best place to confirm shit as fact. Many countries try to hide terrible things they have done and it is only recently those things are revealed. How long did it take for the U.S. to release the possible terrorist attack on it's own people? 50 years after a FOIA? The whole point I'm making is actually look it up and see their side before making a judgement. Both sides can be wrong when trying to correct each other.

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The problem is conspiracy theories frequently jump pretty far on logic. There may have been a report that there were terrorists planning something in the US which happened to cross the president's desk. Therefore he knew that a couple planes would hit. This is silly, because there's dozens of such reports every single month passing his desk. Nevermind that he somehow has perfect knowledge of their movements to the point where it practically reeks of co-operation. And at that point, why not get this terrorist cell to attack some country, come in under the guize of "peacekeeping", then swipe the oil, sell it, and split the profits with the terrorist leaders. Everyone wins.

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Originally Posted by Raype

The problem is conspiracy theories frequently jump pretty far on logic. There may have been a report that there were terrorists planning something in the US which happened to cross the president's desk. Therefore he knew that a couple planes would hit. This is silly, because there's dozens of such reports every single month passing his desk. Nevermind that he somehow has perfect knowledge of their movements to the point where it practically reeks of co-operation. And at that point, why not get this terrorist cell to attack some country, come in under the guize of "peacekeeping", then swipe the oil, sell it, and split the profits with the terrorist leaders. Everyone wins.

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Don't know if he will reply to your logic. He has a hard on for trying to make me look stupid. X D

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nemo

You are using a strawman tactic by picking something so out there, it looks ludicrous and can't possibly be true. All I'm trying to get at is bias goes beyond the newspaper and you can't believe anything until you see it with your own eyes. Assuming things is the easiest way to get run amok and controlled like a fool. That is how most religious wars are started.

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There's some level of truth in what you're saying, but at the same time you can't really say conspiracy theories are true, because often they only have a slight thread of truth in there somewhere. I can't think of a single conspiracy theory that's ever actually been proven outright "correct".

To revisit my earlier joke, Holocaust denial frequently hinges on logic that's about as absurd as what I was claiming. One of the most major sources happens to be the numbers not really adding up, and how frequently stories were changed, with a side order of certain camps not having any traces of "gas". The belief goes, therefore, that it was a huge conspiracy that thousands of people are in on, several governments are involved in, and a hell of a lot of people (some of whom have nothing readily apparent to gain from it) are trying really hard to make sure no one ever takes it seriously when people say it never happened.

But instead, a more logical belief would be that the numbers are simply fudged a bit and there may be some political reasons for that, which can possibly be tracked back to anti-nazi propaganda, but it really did happen. And you do have certain people (some of them holocaust survivors) saying just that. Hell, one guy spent his whole life tracking down former nazis and he outright said that there were no concentration camps in Germany period (they were, instead, entirely within Poland). If we take his word for it, that would outright discredit a lot of camps and cut the numbers significantly. But it doesn't exactly mean those places were ski resorts where they sat around sipping cocoa until they could occupy palestine, nor does it somehow imply that people weren't outright murdered for their beliefs/ethnicity/whatever. And it sure doesn't wipe people like Mengele from history or discrdit Auschwitz (which was right smack dab in the middle of Poland).

So yeah. Conspiracy theories shouldn't really be given that much credit when they're usually forwarding some other agenda and are often no more founded in reality than these "biased newspapers" of which you speak.

But hey, I'm totally being paid to say this by that nice jewish gentleman with the big bag of money. So take that with a pinch of salt.

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Originally Posted by Raype

The problem is conspiracy theories frequently jump pretty far on logic. There may have been a report that there were terrorists planning something in the US which happened to cross the president's desk. Therefore he knew that a couple planes would hit. This is silly, because there's dozens of such reports every single month passing his desk. Nevermind that he somehow has perfect knowledge of their movements to the point where it practically reeks of co-operation. And at that point, why not get this terrorist cell to attack some country, come in under the guize of "peacekeeping", then swipe the oil, sell it, and split the profits with the terrorist leaders. Everyone wins.

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I was referring to one of the JFK plans they were considering for the Cuba Crisis. You are right though in the sense that most of the popular theories jump out to improbable really fast. It's just a shame some true stuff is labeled as conspiracy just to get all the common folk to think it's false. The autism from vaccines is a decent example. The actual theory is different than the reported/popular theory, so when people refer to it, they use the false one that denies the true one. It then prevents parents from making educated decisions and endangers children because of it.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nemo

I was referring to one of the JFK plans they were considering for the Cuba Crisis. You are right though in the sense that most of the popular theories jump out to improbable really fast. It's just a shame some true stuff is labeled as conspiracy just to get all the common folk to think it's false. The autism from vaccines is a decent example. The actual theory is different than the reported/popular theory, so when people refer to it, they use the false one that denies the true one. It then prevents parents from making educated decisions and endangers children because of it.

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what you are speaking of is the truth (As you would call the real thing about it) gets so much extra stuff fabricated and piled upon it as it passes hands and go up posts that it is horrible. But those are rarely deemed as large conspiracy theories which is why you rarely ever here about them. That is mostly more of a debate topic. Its not entirely rediculous like all the conspiracy theories of today.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nemo

I was referring to one of the JFK plans they were considering for the Cuba Crisis. You are right though in the sense that most of the popular theories jump out to improbable really fast. It's just a shame some true stuff is labeled as conspiracy just to get all the common folk to think it's false. The autism from vaccines is a decent example. The actual theory is different than the reported/popular theory, so when people refer to it, they use the false one that denies the true one. It then prevents parents from making educated decisions and endangers children because of it.

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You....you can't actually be thinking that vaccines actually cause autism, right?

I mean, do you even..

Ouch. My brain.

Okay, here's the thing.

Vaccines create antibodies. Well, sorta. That's largely the cliff's notes version.

Autism is in your DNA. And also in your brain.

Unless your memory T-Cells are literally eating your brain (and subsequently rewiring it), you won't develop autism from a vaccine.

And at that point, your raging autoimmune disorder is a much bigger priority, since obviously the next time you get a cold your body might start eating your own heart. Or maybe the next time you prick your finger your body starts chowing down on your kidneys.

But hey, on the plus side you've obviously discovered a cure for brain damage. A medical marvel you are. No more stem cell research, it's all about figuring out what the fuck your body just did.

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Originally Posted by Spose'

Don't know if he will reply to your logic. He has a hard on for trying to make me look stupid. X D

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I don't have to try so hard. The initial conflict was just me noticing a pattern with the Xbox 360 and the Sony patent thread (if you could call it a conflict). I truly have no hatred for you or an agenda of any sort, besides enjoying your response. It's a semi-serious discussion where I want to know a detailed answer on your opinion instead of a quick flub of something similar to stating a one-liner and claiming it as common knowledge.