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Originally Posted by Dingy
Yeah, and according to Dictionary.com I'm a god!! Check the fifth definition.
BOW TO ME INSECT OR I SHAL SMOTE YOU!!!
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Originally Posted by Dingy
Yeah, and according to Dictionary.com I'm a god!! Check the fifth definition.
BOW TO ME INSECT OR I SHAL SMOTE YOU!!!
Ho ho! My bitch-slapping practice guinea pig is finally here. Took you a while, ordered a month ago!Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki_Lysmeth
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Originally Posted by Dingy
sqeek?
if there is no god than you can i believe in
This subject/topic is talked about too much around here. It's annoying.
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Originally Posted by Kazuya
It's a interesting subject. At least for those who give a shit. And it is the ultimate debate because neither side can prove they are right or that the other side is wrong. That is why I usually stoop to name calling. Right you ignorant peasants?
I've been through this conversation too many times to give a damn about it. Seeing that your a new guy, you and the other new guys can sit and chat about it. I'll do what I do best, take 5 day breaks from the forums then return to revive my EP conscious.
Some very good replies on here. Can easily see how the "terrible" (*sarcasm) atheists/agnostics think outside the box...the pine box that religion puts most people into.
Oh, I wouldn't say so. The infallible GOD said that life only exists on Earth. (I think he also said that the Sun revolves around the Earth, but the New Testament corrected that little...'problem'). If intelligent life is found away from Earth, then 3 major Western religions will be exposed as false (Christianity/Islam/Judaism). No chance at recovering from it either; in the 3 major Holy Books, Earth is the center of the universe for human civilization.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki_Lysmeth
Religion and dogma annoy me. Religion is nothing more than one soccer team against the other. One team has home turf, the other away. One has its rabid fans, the other quiet supporters ready to cheer at every goal. One team will tear down the net, the other will walk away with its head downward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazuya
Too bad people have to actually die for the utter & complete FARCE that is religion. The billions of lives slain, in the name of something that isn't even true.
It's not humans who are wicked, its the venomous evil that is religion which forces them to believe or suffer consequences.
You forgot to mention that according to the bible the earth is only around 4000 odd years old. Oh yeah. And dinosaurs are put here to test your faith.
I don't want to make it seem like I'm bashing the opinions of some people here, but it wouldn't hurt to toss out our thoughts and discuss things once in a while. There are many users here who have contributed to this discussion with their enriching thoughts, and it might be helpful to look at things from a different view once in a while. True, you need not necessarily have to accept them word for word, but by looking at things from another side, you might just be able to see things from a wider perspective and be able to re-evaluate the subject discussed.
To me, although religion is something that is believed by many, there are still many inconsistencies in it. The point that Loki made is a perfect testament to the weakness of it. It is afterall, something started by Humans, and after the many centuries that have passed, it is no longer possible to really ascertain it's validity. China boasts of 5000 years of rich history. If earth is only 4000 odd years old, where did their history take place in the first 1000 years? In a parallel universe? Also, I haven't really thought of the point that gamer talked about before, but now that I've seen it, I think it makes sense. Personally, I think that there is really high chance of that happening, and many at a loss to find that the religion that they have been whole-heartedly believing is nothing more than just a pack of utter lies. The universe is big beyond most of our imagination... there is no telling what is out there, which us humans have yet to be lucky/unlucky enough to meet.
Blind faith leads people nowhere, other than making them sinners because they believed in the words of the wrong person and commited atrocites as a result. There are cases where people misuse other's faith in god for their own benefits. Although some justify their actions by saying that it is done in the name of god, yet if you really took the time think back about it, why would god want blood to be shed for him if he really loves the humans that much? Yes, in the eyes of those who follows the lord, the sinners have to be punished. But what right do they have to pass the punishment on the so-called sinners? It is up to the lord to judge the sinners and mete out punishment, not some self-proclaimed hand-of-god. To cleanse the world of sinners, there is no need to start an all out massacre in which innocent lives are lost. What was just a plea for help in defending the bryzantine empire against muslim assaults by Emperor Alexius I in the time preceding the first crusade became a full scale invasion to recapture jerusalem, becoming what is known as the First Crusade. To add salt to the wound, the crusade was preached by the pope of that time. Because of that, how many have lost their lives in the blaze of battle? Furthermore, there were other crusades which followed after the end of the first crusade, which also caused countless deaths. Although there are only 9 major Crusades that were recorded in history, frequent 'small' crusades were carried out during the 11th to 13th century, some against personal enemies of the pope, and some against christian heretics. I don't mean to be criticising the religion for their bloodied history which could never be changed now that things have come to pass, but it really makes me doubt if placing faith in them would be a wise choice.
Also, humans are now once again treading in the bloodied path. In the name of a Holy War, people are carrying out suicide bombings, killing innocent people in the process. Some of them don't even really know if their targets are sinners in the eyes of their god. Does killing for god make it seem as though you are not killing someone? To kill is still to kill, irregardless of whether you are doing it in the name of god or not. Furthermore, you harmed innocent people in the process, which deepens your sin. You may have gained merit for cleansing the world of a sinner, but for that petty merit, you have sinned heavily for killing multiple innocent people just to get at that one seed of darkness. I am disgusted by the fact that despite all the bloodshed, humans still seem to thirst for more, some even encouraged by their religious teachings. They may think that they would be glorified by their sacrifice for religion, but I despise them utterly for it.
From my point of view, a desire to revel in the carnal pleasures is not Satanism. It is merely a more practical thinking that only sees this mortal plane, since we are unsure if there really is such a thing as life after death. I believe that misinterpreting the 'words of god' is a heavier sin that is closer to Satanism in my opinion. You misunderstand the message that god is trying to convey to you, and in turn you convey the wrong message to others. That itself, is already blasphemy. Combined with all the atrocious things commited such as killing in the name of 'god', you are just making yourself sink deeper into sin.
Well, I've said my piece. I hope people who read this take it with a pinch of salt, for what I have stated may not be correct, given my insignificant amount of knowledge on this subject. What you see here, is the end result of me placing what I've heard and seen together to form this mini essay. I may have been rather harsh with my words at some points, but I hope you won't fault me for it.
Just a correction, just saying one follows what the bible says. they will find that according to the bible, if you follow it's chronological order, starting at a pivitol point [An event in time, mentioned in the bible which is agreed by all historians, archologists, scholars biblical and otherwise, to have happened on that date.]Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki_Lysmeth
One pivotal date is 539 B.C.E., the year when Persian King Cyrus overthrew Babylon. Secular sources for the time of his reign include Babylonian tablets and documents of Diodorus, Africanus, Eusebius, and Ptolemy. Because of a decree issued by Cyrus, a Jewish remnant left Babylon and arrived in their homeland in 537 B.C.E. That marked the end of Judah�s 70-year desolation, which according to the Biblical record had begun in 607 B.C.E.
If you follow a pivitol date back through the bible, you will see that according to the bible, it was over 6,000 years ago in which man was created.
I would just like to correct you in that the bible says that is time man was created, not the Earth. According to the bible man was created last, before man the animals, trees, skys, waters and plantets were created. However, the bible does not say how long it was between making the Earth and making man. It is reasnable both religiously and scientificly to assume it was about 13 billion years ago. Thoughof course that is just an assumption.
Thanks go to the Watchtower for the second paragraph in this post.
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Originally Posted by DarkFang
I got totally lost after I read that. I would like to apologize to you all for it was not my intention to make any valid arguments or infact give the impression I was doing anything other then talking out my ass.
Well, everything I'v read about creation says that it was six days in the making. So if Adam was last it would leave about 4-5 days between the two depending on the work ethic of god. But you are right about the age, my bad. But even adding 2 thousand years to the age doesn't make creationists theory any less ludicrous to me. Course that could always be the monkey in me talking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xena
Where does it say the earth is 4000 years old?????
It doesn't exactly, someone added up all the time mentioned in the bible and came to the conclusion that the Earth is only 4000 years old. However, it appears they overlooked some time since other estimates come to about 6000 years. Of course, there are also beliefs that Abraham added up all the generations that his people (the ancestors of modern Jews) could think of. They then decided that the oldest generation they could think of had to be the first one and therefore the first humans. It varies depending on what set of beliefs you follow.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Drug D3aler
god is yu yevon damnit! open your eyes!
Wrong, God is MasJQuote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
prove it :)
Prove he isn't :P
he's a real living person who is visible to all. plus dingy told me. :P
People see God all the time (mostly while drunk/high). As for real and living, so was Jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
Really? I would have thought she called him god on more than one occation, or maybe that was "oh god" ;)Quote:
plus dingy told me. :P
oh...dingy's gonna get you for mentioning that lol
I doubt thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
*door opens*
huh?
*head flys off due to bitch slap of doom*
*dingy exits*
haha told ya!
So anyway. About God.
What about him?
Mabye this will help you see a diffrent angle on the creative days. Thanks go to the insight book for this info. It's reccomended to look at the scriputres that back up the points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki_Lysmeth
Length of Creative Days. The Bible does not specify the length of each of the creative periods. Yet all six of them have ended, it being said with respect to the sixth day (as in the case of each of the preceding five days): �And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a sixth day.� (Ge 1:31) However, this statement is not made regarding the seventh day, on which God proceeded to rest, indicating that it continued. (Ge 2:1-3) Also, more than 4,000 years after the seventh day, or God�s rest day, commenced, Paul indicated that it was still in progress. At Hebrews 4:1-11 he referred to the earlier words of David (Ps 95:7, 8, 11) and to Genesis 2:2 and urged: �Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest.� By the apostle�s time, the seventh day had been continuing for thousands of years and had not yet ended. The Thousand Year Reign of Jesus Christ, who is Scripturally identified as �Lord of the sabbath� (Mt 12:8), is evidently part of the great sabbath, God�s rest day. (Re 20:1-6) This would indicate the passing of thousands of years from the commencement of God�s rest day to its end. The week of days set forth at Genesis 1:3 to 2:3, the last of which is a sabbath, seems to parallel the week into which the Israelites divided their time, observing a sabbath on the seventh day thereof, in keeping with the divine will. (Ex 20:8-11) And, since the seventh day has been continuing for thousands of years, it may reasonably be concluded that each of the six creative periods, or days, was at least thousands of years in length.
That a day can be longer than 24 hours is indicated by Genesis 2:4, which speaks of all the creative periods as one �day.� Also indicative of this is Peter�s inspired observation that �one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.� (2Pe 3:8) Ascribing not just 24 hours but a longer period of time, thousands of years, to each of the creative days better harmonizes with the evidence found in the earth itself.
ok off topic question. Why do humans have fingerprints but no other living creature does? Some animals have unique designs on their feet but humans have unique designs for each person. Even twins (I think) don't have the same two sets of fingerprints. Think about that.
edit: Thank the creator(s) that Xena proved me wrong. That would be very Matrix-like...that only humans leave unique fingerprints. Proven wrong and feel better about it.
Koala bears too have indivdual prints, not in the shape of the Koala's paws but in its dermatoglyphics. If you look at them under a microscope you can pick up the diffrences, the pattern of bumps, ridges, and whorls on the pads of its paws and feet. The prints of each Koala are diffrent just like humans.
Eye prints are more unique. In London we use eye analysis for high security areas.
Xena, you know alot about Koala's, makes me wonder, do you have a life? cos liek no one here gives a fuck about them. We kill them.
I certainly do. Any more questions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jase
Not at this stage of time, thank you thou :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xena
You're very polite! You're welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jase
http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/media...ssedChurch.jpg
That is just soooooooo mee.