i agree with knowitman...what would you do for that 20 million? And once its paid, do you go out and commit the crime again?
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i agree with knowitman...what would you do for that 20 million? And once its paid, do you go out and commit the crime again?
I will ignore sniper's posts as they show bias and subjectiveness with no thought without a good retort for my evolution report.
I'll counter knowitman's analogy with the bluntness of Christianity, as I know that analogy has been battered and torn back at iidb.org too many times:
God himself created man and woman and placed them in a garden, in "his own image", but got righteously angry at them when they ate, against his wish, and after being tempted by a talking serpent that god himself had somehow allowed to slither about in the garden, a tasty, beautiful fruit, though he himself had placed it there but neglected to instill in his creations the knowledge of good and evil so that they would know it was wrong to eat it. Being omniscient, of course, he knew all this before he started, but was apparently unable to do anything about it because he had planned it this way from the beginning, and apparently god cannot change anything he already knows, in spite of the fact that he's omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent.
Later, God himself impregnated a virgin so that he himself could be born a human, a ManGod. This was necessary, apparently, because only his own ManGod blood could appease himself and deliver humans, who he created, and who he knew would muck things up by eating the fruit, from his own righteous anger.
Of course, he waited several thousand years to implement this divine plan, in the meantime taking the righteous action of drowning every creature on the planet except a few he could stuff on a boat. Not to mention handing down a Law that served to further condemn every one of us, and in which Law he himself had them frequently sacrifice animals to appease himself, though he knew the blood of animals didn't really appease himself.
Much later, god, in a garden, prayed to himself to "take this cup" away from himself, though he himself knew that he himself had planned the coming events from the beginning and knew that not even he himself could save himself, even though he was god and omnipotent, omniscient, etc. Accepting this, he said, in effect, "Not my will, but my will."
God then sacrificed himself to himself to save us from himself. (or had himself sacrificed; not much of a distinction between the two, really) Before dying, he himself asked he himself why he had forsaken himself.
He himself, being dead, then raised himself from the dead less than 40 hours later, though he himself had said he'd be dead for three days and three nights, which he could do because he was still alive, and later he himself pulled himself up into heaven where he himself apparently already was, and where he himself is described as now sitting at the right hand of himself.
He himself then sent himself (or a ghost of himself, if you please) back to earth to be a comfort to us, though he himself is still sitting at the right hand of himself.
And, glory hallelujah, he himself promised that he himself will return someday, though he himself is already here, and will still be there, to snatch up those who believe the god blood sacrifice story he himself told us, and kill the rest of us who don't believe the god blood sacrifice story, no matter how nice we were otherwise. But, since killing us isn't enough to appease his righteousness, he himself will then judge us, though according to ManGod he himself will also not judge us, and being a god of love will cast most of us into hell for an eternity of suffering. He has to, of course, because he is a righteous, just god, and can't figure out a way to save anyone who hasn't been redeemed by god-blood, even though he is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent, and loves us all.
Sounds a little omnimpotent to me.
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Um okay if god created man then what created god?
God created God. I think.
lol i was waiting for you to say that you created him :SQuote:
Originally Posted by Ziegfried
But if that is true how can a being create itself?
or is the a bigger god above that god?
A super-duper being.
Every religion is inherently flawed, both in the people that follow.. and the gods themselves. Religions adapt and change the 'unchanging' "Word of God" pretty much all the time. If your going to follow a religion, why follow half-ass? Its your own sacrilege to change the belief to suit yourself.
Omen
As my quote says below this message.
I'll say it again. You dwell on the fact that a god couldn't create itself...How does matter create itself then?
They both make about the same amount of sense...not much.
A religion isn't a recipe to follow...Quote:
Every religion is inherently flawed, both in the people that follow.. and the gods themselves. Religions adapt and change the 'unchanging' "Word of God" pretty much all the time. If your going to follow a religion, why follow half-ass? Its your own sacrilege to change the belief to suit yourself.
But science never claims to be the origin or cause of anything, since it's the study of things. Ask any down-to-earth biologist, astrologist, etc... that what came before that, and what came before that (sounds like Mindy when she keeps asking "Why" after every answer) and they will tell you they don't know. It's as far as the human mind can fathom without using theoretical evidence on how things are formed today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaenn
The difference is they don't go for the easy answer of "Goddidit" and bam there you have it, no point on studying anything anymore.
To the first part. Yes, it is beyond what the human mind can fathom...Quote:
Originally Posted by EGGO
I don't see how saying God created earth is taking an easy answer...because biological studies still hold. And organisms are still what they are. So there is still just as much reason to study them. The only difference is how it is believed they came about. Which personally I believe isn't of particular use in this world. Even if the big bang and evolution were proven to be completely true...what would be the use? It's not like we can create another big bang, and if evolution does occur on such a large scale over such a long period of time, we'll be long gone by then.
Don't get my wrong, I think science is incredible and very interesting to me, but I don't take too much interest in the study of things which cannot be proven or applied.
I think I'm seeing what you think, but let me just confirm.
Do you think that there are people who do nothing but study the origin of life? If so there isn't from what I remember.
To offer a counter to that, perhaps you're so unwilling to admit that his posts have merit, that you'd just as soon dismiss them outright then address them.Quote:
Originally Posted by EGGO
I agree with EGGO on that, actually..Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyberxion