I'm happy for you. I think some people are more depressed, but I am who I am (or as god puts it, I shall prove to be, what I shall prove to be)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingy
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I'm happy for you. I think some people are more depressed, but I am who I am (or as god puts it, I shall prove to be, what I shall prove to be)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingy
Thank you, Xena. Please don't assume I live in La-La Land and am not affected by the emotion of sadness. And I respect you for who you are, but remember that everyone doesn't believe in a god, but that doesn't mean they lack faith/faith in fate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xena
Hmm... The higher you get, the slower time goes, and you'll live longer, relative to the people on Earth (or on another planet, :lol). But, the aging doesn't go slower relative to the place where you are... Raah, it's so confusing... Wait, I'll explain it this way:
You are an identical twin born at the exact same time :baby: (Or even better, a clone). One of the clones is sent into space, far far away. Then, when he returns to Earth, the person that stayed is older -_- .
Well, I read that somewhere, don't blame me if it's wrong (I read it in a book).
Of course, thats why if things get hairy, I request a PM battle. I am very strong in my views, un-changable. That does not mean I don't have an open mind, I can still discuss things I dont agree with. :wacko:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingy
and I respect ya to.
That's the "Twins Paradox" ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ChimpoUA
Yes, that was a poor example, since it's just a smaller version of the one you gave. Yes, you can select for a time that will give you a gap. You don't have to, though. You can come back at the exact instant you leave, or even before you leave, for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xena
For that matter, this assumes you come back to the same, or a similar present, where you did still time-travel (which in turn leads to the question, if you go back in time and prevent a change, why would your future self still go back in time to fulfill that change to something that, to them, never happened? If not, would the change still happen because your original self did exist in that earlier time, or would it not happen because your alternate self didn't go back). Any change in the past, however trivial, will have an effect on the present and future, again, however trivial it is. I tend to think that humanity would fall into the same rut again and again, regardless of intervention, myself (If not Hitler, than another megalomaniac with delusions of grandeur...or for that matter, if not Trotsky and enforcing world revolution, then Hitler and Aryan supremacy), and that even if the particulars change, the overall picture will remain similar from one possibility to the next.
A change that would be trivial to the overall picture, but very significant to you, would be one that prevents your existence. You could probably still return to that present (in much the same way you went into the past originally), but it'd be rather pointless if there's no way to live and fit into that present. It's rather easy, too, since if you consider, most people's interactions, including marriage, can depend on some rather arbitrary conditions. I would never have existed if, say, a particular Allied bomber had released its extra payload a second later (grandfather, World War 2), or if a German mine in the North Sea had struck a particular passenger ship (great-grandmother, post-World War 1), or the Soviets had been just a bit faster entering the war against the Japanese in Korea and China, for that matter (entire maternal family, World War 2). That's just three areas that strike me off the top of my head for my past.
Faster, not higher, but essentially correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChimpoUA
What does thing's getting hairy mean? Hehe, appreciate the honesty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xena
So, Himiko were all agreed things are best kept as they are? Good.
No, most people are cool enough so it rarely happens... It's hard to debate something with someone in public I think. Hairy = me getting very angry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingy
To assume time travel is possible is to assume that every past state still exists such that it could be revisited...I think that's one bold assumption.
No, but the outcome equates roughly to that. I just think it's not possible to change things beyond a certain degree, because humanity won't learn from its mistakes and fall right back into them despite intervention. If we can learn with less suffering, less pain, then it's for the better. I just don't think that can be assured to an adequate degree. Humanity hasn't even learned from the mass slaughter of Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, and other "aberrants" under the Nazi reign, content to let genocide continue in African countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xena
And now we enter philosophical debates...all that truly exists is our memory of the past, rather than the past itself. For that matter, the past may never have existed, and only our memories create it for us. Something like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaenn
Couldn't have put it better in two lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaenn
So you think we live in dream world? :wacko:Quote:
Originally Posted by Himiko
More or less. But I wasn't even getting into the possibility that the past never existed. Just that nothing more than the present state exists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Himiko
Good point. Why would you want to change things? I know that we ALL have seen, felt and experienced bad things... things we would like to change. But I believe that instead of being protesting or trying to change the past with your imagination... wouldn't it be easier if you just let go of the problem and go on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingy
Also there is a lesson, even if you cannot see it, in everything that happens. I love surprises in my life and my memories, bad or good, are an essential part of who I am. Why would I want to change that?
I think that I will travel forward in time every second that passes before me instead of worrying about what was a second ago. Hope you're not confused with my strange point of view.
About death: It is unavoidable (please spare the religious references to debate on this) and even if we are not prepared we must accept it as much as we accept that we are alive. Thank you. Bye. :P
Stop running away:P 'Bye.':PQuote:
Originally Posted by Galcian
Yes, it would be easier to let the problem go, but I think it's nice to reflect on the past and just learn and hopefully grow from it, so I wouldn't want to detach myself wholly from the past, just understand it and not have any regrets.