Why we believe...

Yeah, I lurk on christianforums.com from time to time... It's interesting. And that doesn't exactly mean I'm a Christian, now does it?

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Originally Posted by The Watcher

a christian forum
what next they come to your door?
/me thinks

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Never EVER move to Sweden. The lovely "Jehovas Vittne" are fucking door knockers. Last week I opened the door... and there, two of them stood. They asked me all kinds of stupid questions. I wanted to wreck their car but as the nice guy I am, I just tried to end the conversation by not saying much. Yet, they continued... I HATE THEM!!!!

"...*St�nger d�rren*".

Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by crusher

Never EVER move to Sweden. The lovely "Jehovas Vittne" are fucking door knockers. Last week I opened the door... and there, two of them stood. They asked me all kinds of stupid questions. I wanted to wreck their car but as the nice guy I am, I just tried to end the conversation by not saying much. Yet, they continued... I HATE THEM!!!!

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Hehe, Jehova's Wittnesses? They come around often enough. My brother was a theology major so he invited them in. He got in a bunch of arguments with them making them seem quite foolish. It was a very funny story to hear.

Thank God that "Jenova's Witnesses" aren't knocking on your door....

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Originally Posted by Ziegfried

"...*St�nger d�rren*".

Problem solved.

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Yeah that would have worked but well, I don't have the heart to do that... I'll learn someday though.. -____________-

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Originally Posted by Xaenn

Hehe, Jehova's Wittnesses? They come around often enough. My brother was a theology major so he invited them in. He got in a bunch of arguments with them making them seem quite foolish. It was a very funny story to hear.

Thank God that "Jenova's Witnesses" aren't knocking on your door....

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Yeah Jehova's Witnesses all right... One of my neighbours asked them why religion is the reason behind most wars. Well, they couldn't anwear. Funny stuff. :wacko:

Jenova's Witnesses would be intresting... :P

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Originally Posted by crusher

Yeah that would have worked but well, I don't have the heart to do that... I'll learn someday though.. -____________-

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Just hang around me some more, and it won't be long~

The worst thing about these door knocking bible-thumpers is the time at which they choose to preach. 12pm, I can deal with them. 5pm, splendid, I might even humour them with offers of tea and hob-nob biscuits. But 9.30am is my time, my fugging sleep time, and I certainly dont want to he of Jehova or how brilliant it is to be his 'witness' when I could be counting Zzzz's. I thank you.

You're all gonna toast on the fires of hell, demons will laugh as they shove pokers up your already bloody cheese greated ass, then you will be forced to suntan for 48 hours solid then bodybuilders and wrestlers will give you chinese burns on your arms and legs, then you will be put in a classroom when there are 20 blackboards and the teachers keep scraping them with their 6 inch long fingernails. Then you will be forced to watch 'The sound of Music' while being hung upside down
And then....
And Then...
AND THENNN....
AARRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Ziegfried

Just hang around me some more, and it won't be long~

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I might have to do that sometime... :wacko: Ullared 4ever!!1111? :wacko:

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Originally Posted by Clive

The worst thing about these door knocking bible-thumpers is the time at which they choose to preach. 12pm, I can deal with them. 5pm, splendid, I might even humour them with offers of tea and hob-nob biscuits. But 9.30am is my time, my fugging sleep time, and I certainly dont want to he of Jehova or how brilliant it is to be his 'witness' when I could be counting Zzzz's. I thank you.

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Never happened here actually. They mostly disrupt my dinner... :P

The key is to have a good way to see who is at the door. If you don't want to witness Jehova, simply don't answer the door. :P

I need to get a solid titan door. We have grainy windows on our current door. It's easy to see the silhouette of people inside... :O

wow for an image of hell thats kinda mild.....if i want to beleive in something like that, i need a lot mor hellish "influence" before i become a "good" person

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Originally Posted by EffigyOfDoom

wow for an image of hell thats kinda mild.....if i want to beleive in something like that, i need a lot mor hellish "influence" before i become a "good" person

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That was off the top of my head. I tend to think of things in a rather more warped manner, If i wanted i reckon i could put something really freaky, but nothin that would scare you into being good, just leave that to the Jehova's Witnesses

I would postulate that as we leave this world we will no longer have physical bodies. Therefore I would say Hell has nothing to do with physical pain.

To further that I would say it is eternity with the total absense of God. And heaven the opposite.

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Originally Posted by Zephyr

Death is not to be feared, though I admit trepidation at the path there. I am curious about what lies beyond, primarily. One of many great unknowns in our world, wouldn't you all say? :)

I don't believe in gods or their absence, but recognize that there is no proof either way, and only rationalizations by people who are either disillusioned by science's inability to answer every fundamental question they have at that moment, or so disillusioned by the world that they refuse to believe that any intelligent being could allow such things.

For example, evolution versus creationism. Creation has absolutely no proof in its favour, and to draw a quote from Feynmen as he originally applied to a different theory, "It's so ridiculous it can't even be proven false!" Evolution, by contrast, was taken as the extension of natural selection, which has been demonstrated repeatedly in nature (for instance those examples ganandorf stated already) to a larger scale, that the accumulation of changes via natural selection over time would lead eventually to a new species. While certainly not observed yet in nature, there is not necessarily anything proving it false (The absence of conclusive proof is not the presence of disproof, your comment to the contrary, Vash), and circumstantial evidence can be used to "prove" it as at least partially correct. Now, I believe the Theory of Evolution, as it stands, is incomplete and ultimately too flawed to be a valid scientific fact, but I am far more inclined to believe it than Creationism (Six days to create, a day to rest, and Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden birthing all of humanity - admittedly the inbreeding implied in the last would explain much stupidity in the world, though ;)).

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The theory of evolution is VERY flawed. There are thousands of missing links in it. There is also the issue of reproduction. The reproduction system is extremely complex and would not work at all if just 1 part was missing in either the male or female. How did this system come about? I somewhat beleive in microevolution, but not macroevolution as much for my religious beliefs and that reason stated above.

When it refers to creating the world in six days it has been interpretted by many to mean 6 stages or somewhat. A day in the eye of God is not a strict 24 hours. It can be thousands of years. Why does time matter when you exhist in eternity? There is also scientific proof that shows that the world was created in the same stages and the same order the Bible says in the beginning of Genesis.

I have something to say about Hell also. It is a place of great agony and separation from God. In fact Jesus makes more references to Hell then Heaven during his years of ministry.

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