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11th-July-2015, 19:55
Warrior

The undub of Grandia is another cut & paste halfassed attempt with the battle voices still being in english.

I'm talking to a few "real" undubbers who may do Grandia and Thousand Arms when they feel like it.
11th-July-2015, 19:56
Gypsy

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Originally Posted by Elin

Yeah, I remember reading that! A shame, actually. History hasn't been very kind to Working Designs, and I can definitely see in hindsight why many people would have been turned off by them. Heck I have my own issues with them, mainly related to the uneven and almost arrogant way that they messed with gameplay balance in the games they localised (tinkering with Silhouette Mirage, a well-received game by arguably the greatest cult developer of 2-D action games in Japan? Seriously?). At the time, though, they were one of the few companies who thought about game localisation in terms of more than just raw, barebones translation, and I think that despite their small size, they were a pretty big influence on the development of the generally more competent localisation houses the industry has today. Given the competition at the time, Grandia would arguably have been best in their hands. Especially given that they had already (mostly) competently handled Lunar and Lunar 2, which are both by the same developer and tonally very close to Grandia. I think the game would be remembered much more fondly in the west had they handled it. As is, it's largely pushed aside in favour of its own sequel and the two Lunar games (neither of which were nearly as well-received in Japan, interestingly enough).

The gameplay tweaks were hit and miss imo. I can't argue about SM but for every instance like that you can name 2-3 of them improving an RPG in little ways that made them more enjoyable.

Sony just whipped their big money penor and seriously outbid them for Grandia unfortunately.
11th-July-2015, 19:57
Nemkoon

Well currently i'm not even trying to understand the story, just watching robits fight :wacko:
11th-July-2015, 20:06
Elin

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Originally Posted by Mr. Phineas Squiggletail, Esq

Yeah there are even Japanese games that are $300+...

I'm not doing too bad so far. The system was a big part of that amount. $224 got me a region modded core grafx, IFU and CDROM2 system. The rest got 19 games (I think, most are still in the mail as I only have 7 in hand right now). And actually it's more like $690 because I forgot part of some import purchases were Dreamcast games. <3

You know a system is expensive when the WD games are the cheaper US games (Exile Wicked Phenomenon aside...).

I'd recommend all the Soldier games to start. Nice shmups that are, at least for the system, pretty easy.

Yeah, isn't there that Sapphire game that sometimes goes for close to $1000? Reminds me of Radiant Silvergun or the English version of Panzer Dragoon Saga. It's okay when the rarer games for a console are ones that are fairly forgettable or disposable, but when you have that combination of a good title and a low print run, things get pricey quickly. D:

Oh! What'd you get for the Dreamcast? <3 I finished Shenmue for the first time recently following the Shenmue 3 announcement, so the Dreamcast love is strong in me at the moment~~

Cool, will give them a look. :3 Thanks. ^_^
11th-July-2015, 20:20
Elin

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Originally Posted by Mr. Phineas Squiggletail, Esq

The gameplay tweaks were hit and miss imo. I can't argue about SM but for every instance like that you can name 2-3 of them improving an RPG in little ways that made them more enjoyable.

Sony just whipped their big money penor and seriously outbid them for Grandia unfortunately.

Yeah, true enough. When they focused on aesthetic / control-based improvements rather than actually trying to rebalance the difficulty, it was usually to the game's benefit, so maybe being a bit too hard on them. And I thought the difficulty in the English versions of the Lunar games was actually more fun and challenging than the Japanese ones, so there's that~

Yep, basically the same situation as Ignition and Arc Rise Fantasia. Big money penors are to blame for all the world's worst dubbing atrocities, clearly. :wacko:
11th-July-2015, 20:20
Elin

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Originally Posted by Nem

Well currently i'm not even trying to understand the story, just watching robits fight :wacko:

This is also acceptable. :wacko:
11th-July-2015, 20:25
Gypsy

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Originally Posted by Elin

Yeah, isn't there that Sapphire game that sometimes goes for close to $1000? Reminds me of Radiant Silvergun or the English version of Panzer Dragoon Saga. It's okay when the rarer games for a console are ones that are fairly forgettable or disposable, but when you have that combination of a good title and a low print run, things get pricey quickly. D:

Oh! What'd you get for the Dreamcast? <3 I finished Shenmue for the first time recently following the Shenmue 3 announcement, so the Dreamcast love is strong in me at the moment~~

Cool, will give them a look. :3 Thanks. ^_^

Sapphire is a $400 game but yeah still ridiculous. Fortunately it was brought to PSP and that only runs about $40 these days. Lots of the US Turbo games are ridiculously expensive at this point. I only really plan to get the WD games and I've already nabbed Cadash and Vasteel. The rest I think will be Japanese unless I luck out.

In fact here is all I have so far including stuff in the mail: Racing Damashii, Cadash, Vasteel, Dragon Spirit, Salamander, Side Arms, Super Star Soldier, Final Soldier, PC Genjin, PC Genjin 2, PC Genjin 3, Momotaro Katsugeki, Image Fight, Ordyne (this game is adorable!), Kyukyoku Tiger, Adventure Island (Dragon's Curse in the US, secretly Wonder Boy III or something like that), R-Type I and Puyo Puyo. I really want to get the first Spriggan and Download (yes this is the name of a game lol) 1 and 2. But I need to cool it for now.

Lots of really fun games there. Really enjoyed what I've played so far. Dat old school challenge.

For Dreamcast I picked up Garou MotW, Last Blade 2 and Choko Senki Kikaioh. I sold my US copies of those games for $160 and got Japanese versions for $66 shipped. :<3:
11th-July-2015, 20:29
Gypsy

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Originally Posted by Elin

Yeah, true enough. When they focused on aesthetic / control-based improvements rather than actually trying to rebalance the difficulty, it was usually to the game's benefit, so maybe being a bit too hard on them. And I thought the difficulty in the English versions of the Lunar games was actually more fun and challenging than the Japanese ones, so there's that~

Yep, basically the same situation as Ignition and Arc Rise Fantasia. Big money penors are to blame for all the world's worst dubbing atrocities, clearly. :wacko:

They made Alundra a lot more fun as well imo. Mostly because they made it more challenging. Easy games are boring! They went overboard with SM though.

Indeed. That game was dubbed in English in Japan. Can't remember if that's been brought up here before or not. No wonder it's such a rubbish dub. :booger:

@Nem: Spoiler: That is the story. :pwacko:
11th-July-2015, 20:41
Warrior

Newsflash pigglydick

MOST ENGLISH DUBS SUCK REGARDLESS OF RECORDING LOCATION! :really:

:inout:
11th-July-2015, 20:45
Gypsy

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Originally Posted by Warrior

Newsflash pigglydick

MOST ENGLISH DUBS SUCK REGARDLESS OF RECORDING LOCATION! :really:

:inout:

Moron.
11th-July-2015, 20:45
Gypsy

Better go find the Japanese dub of Uncharted. :toss:
11th-July-2015, 20:47
Gypsy

Oh and Call of Duty too. I can ONLY play that game in the MUCH SUPERIOR JAPANESE LANGUAGE.
11th-July-2015, 20:50
Gypsy

Kawaii desu tank shell.
11th-July-2015, 20:50
Gypsy

I see everyone left.
11th-July-2015, 20:53
Grouch

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Originally Posted by Warrior

Newsflash pigglydick

MOST ENGLISH DUBS SUCK REGARDLESS OF RECORDING LOCATION! :really:

:inout:

I'll bite. I've found most dubbed rpgs have sucked a great example is evergrace. the 1 rpg I can think of off the top of my head that didn't suck was FF12 for the most part it had pretty good voice acting there were a few characters whose voice actors just didn't fit the part.
The other exception to the dub rule is action/fps games I really can't think of an ps or action game that had shitty voice acting.
platformers have been hit and miss on thise too. racthet and clank games had good voice acting. ape escape had terrible voice acting.
11th-July-2015, 20:54
Grouch

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Originally Posted by Mr. Phineas Squiggletail, Esq

I see everyone left.

I've been here just didn't have anything to really contribute.:shrug:
11th-July-2015, 20:55
Knightshade

Did this just become Skype the hangout all of a sudden?
11th-July-2015, 20:58
Cosmic

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Originally Posted by Warrior

Newsflash pigglydick

MOST ENGLISH DUBS SUCK REGARDLESS OF RECORDING LOCATION! :really:

:inout:

You realise bad voice acting exists in Japan as well right? There's plenty of games and anime that sound horrendous even in the original language.
11th-July-2015, 21:12
Gypsy

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Originally Posted by The Grouch

I'll bite. I've found most dubbed rpgs have sucked a great example is evergrace. the 1 rpg I can think of off the top of my head that didn't suck was FF12 for the most part it had pretty good voice acting there were a few characters whose voice actors just didn't fit the part.
The other exception to the dub rule is action/fps games I really can't think of an ps or action game that had shitty voice acting.
platformers have been hit and miss on thise too. racthet and clank games had good voice acting. ape escape had terrible voice acting.

For all the crap they get from some people AAA games generally have really good VA. I recall the Uncharted games being quite good in the VA department but it's been awhile. Bats games too. I think a big problem is that companies think every game should be voiced now. If you aren't going to hire decent talent please just don't bother, I'd rather read.

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Originally Posted by Cosmic

You realise bad voice acting exists in Japan as well right? There's plenty of games and anime that sound horrendous even in the original language.

A live look-in at Warrior: http://orig03.deviantart.net/dc76/f/...94-d4f8zdf.jpg

:revwacko:

You really do bring up a good point that not many people want to admit.
11th-July-2015, 21:17
Grouch

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Originally Posted by Mr. Phineas Squiggletail, Esq

For all the crap they get from some people AAA games generally have really good VA. I recall the Uncharted games being quite good in the VA department but it's been awhile. Bats games too. I think a big problem is that companies think every game should be voiced now. If you aren't going to hire decent talent please just don't bother, I'd rather read.
You really do bring up a good point that not many people want to admit.

exactly right if you're unwilling to spend the money on good voice actors don't bother with it at all.
11th-July-2015, 21:20
Gypsy

The problem with that of course is it's risky because most people don't want to read. Lol.

Anyway, Riddick Assault on Dark Athena arrived today. Been playing the retooling of Assault on Butcher Bay that's also included. Aside from the dumb AI it's a really fun game. And Vin Diesel does do the voice of Riddick in the game which is awesome.
11th-July-2015, 21:23
Warrior

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Originally Posted by Cosmic

You realise bad voice acting exists in Japan as well right? There's plenty of games and anime that sound horrendous even in the original language.

Never said otherwise now did I? :wacko:
11th-July-2015, 21:47
Knightshade

Lol I taught my cousin to read he wanted to play old school rpgs think Dragon Warrior & snes FF games and kept asking me what he should do did you read what it said" no" then I'd hit reset he learned 2 very important lessons that day read and save often.
11th-July-2015, 21:55
Warrior

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Originally Posted by Knightshade

Lol I taught my cousin to read he wanted to play old school rpgs think Dragon Warrior & snes FF games and kept asking me what he should do did you read what it said" no" then I'd hit reset he learned 2 very important lessons that day read and save often.

:lol

Reminds me of jackass family where you try to teach them shit and they ignore ya.
11th-July-2015, 21:59
Knightshade

Basically but he got the message after doing the same thing 4 times in a row
11th-July-2015, 22:03
Warrior

Fuckin nephew of mine wants to learn fighters but only cares about the latest street fighter because it looks "purdy"

I need a large rolled up newspaper to slug him with until he gets the point that GRAPHICS DON'T MEAN SHIT! :fist:
11th-July-2015, 22:08
Knightshade

Graphics aren't a bad thing it's just graphic whores are resulting in some companies that are releasing games that while" purdy" lack substance or worse selling broken incomplete games just so they can make more on dlc
11th-July-2015, 22:12
Gypsy

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Originally Posted by Warrior

Fuckin nephew of mine wants to learn fighters but only cares about the latest street fighter because it looks "purdy"

I need a large rolled up newspaper to slug him with until he gets the point that GRAPHICS DON'T MEAN SHIT! :fist:

Says the graphics whore that won't play text based rpgs. :trollface:

On a more serious note, make his ass play KoF 02 UM! :serious:
11th-July-2015, 22:23
Warrior

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Originally Posted by Mr. Phineas Squiggletail, Esq

Says the graphics whore that won't play text based rpgs. :trollface:

Difference there smartyass, TEXT BASED RPGS HAVE NO GRAPHICS AT ALL, better off going RPing with a bunch of stereotypical geeks and ugly nerd girls.

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On a more serious note, make his ass play KoF 02 UM! :serious:

He is too busy watching the neighborhood strays screw each other since he is a furryfag.
11th-July-2015, 22:28
Gypsy

Ah books, the Warrior's ancient foe.

Lol @ furfag comment. I wasn't sure which one you were referring to but now I know.
11th-July-2015, 22:45
Warrior

I read books ya dummkopf , just I haven't borrowed any from friends in years plus Its gotta be a awesome fantasy like Xanth , Harry Pothead or Tolkins works.
11th-July-2015, 23:03
Grouch

boobs.
11th-July-2015, 23:14
Grouch

this question is for you gyp. what would you classify contra as a shump or an action game?
11th-July-2015, 23:14
Ace Ventura

Makes me glad I have cousins that don't want to play games. :lol

However, I have friends who want me to teach them fighting games. So, I share the pain. :low:
11th-July-2015, 23:30
Gypsy

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Originally Posted by Warrior

I read books ya dummkopf , just I haven't borrowed any from friends in years plus Its gotta be a children's book like Xanth , Harry Pothead or Tolkins works.

Fixed. Not that I find anything wrong with books like that.

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Originally Posted by The Grouch

this question is for you gyp. what would you classify contra as a shump or an action game?

Run and gun.
11th-July-2015, 23:31
Gypsy

Subgenre of shmups but different enough to deserve it's own classification imo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoot_...up#Run_and_gun
11th-July-2015, 23:41
Warrior

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Originally Posted by Roxas

However, I have friends who want me to teach them fighting games. So, I share the pain. :low:

Let me know when they make it to the finals in EVO. :wacko:
11th-July-2015, 23:43
Ace Ventura

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Originally Posted by Warrior

Let me know when they make it to the finals in EVO. :wacko:

:wacko: I'm not good in Street Fighter. Thank God they don't want me to teach them that. :wacko:

But Skullgirls, I'm a bit better there. :lol
11th-July-2015, 23:53
Grouch

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Originally Posted by Mr. Phineas Squiggletail, Esq

Subgenre of shmups but different enough to deserve it's own classification imo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoot_...up#Run_and_gun

wow a sub-genre. the things I learn here.
11th-July-2015, 23:57
Warrior

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Originally Posted by Roxas

:wacko: I'm not good in Street Fighter. Thank God they don't want me to teach them that. :wacko:

But Skullgirls, I'm a bit better there. :lol

https://i.imgur.com/RjtR9XH.gif

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