I've still got MERP, Battletech and some other stuff boxed somewhere in the bowels of my house :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Beelzebub
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I've still got MERP, Battletech and some other stuff boxed somewhere in the bowels of my house :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Beelzebub
Just hit it with a hammer Roxas
It needs the golden rain :wacko:
No thanks, did that to my phone and 360 and that didn't turn out well. :wacko:Quote:
Originally Posted by The VCR
Yeah, I've got a few MERP books too. As well as Star Wars and Call of Cthulhu. I might just have to inventory everything and just off it on eBay. Though I would rather see it go locally. Less shipping hassles that way. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by deadlegion
:harold: You idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mega Charizard X
Oh boy, watching the Youtube comments section of Hitler speeches is seriously wtf. It's like the worst of humanity concentrated into one digital space. :wacko:
Hitler's speeches aren't as boring as the alternatives of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareko
Youtube is full of wtf comments :pwacko:
I kid I kid. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by deadlegion
No doubt. :pwacko:Quote:
Originally Posted by deadlegion
I just found it a bit bizarre to see so much Holocaust denial and Adolf praise when apparently there were even former SS members that came out and said "yep, that did happen, mostly because, y'know, I was THERE".
Holocaust denial is just stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareko
Although some civilians in some areas only knew certain "undesirables" were being deported to work camps, many people had an idea of what was going on. But the thing to keep in mind is that it wasn't only Jews being taken away.
It's easy to say that anyone that stood by and let stuff happen was complicit...but some people were given a choice to live, conform and not draw attention to themselves.
Even the Wehrmacht did some bad stuff because some officers gave orders. The SS officers were pretty consistently bad.
But the German people (and occupied territories) were basically guilty of not questioning authority enough, and in great enough numbers. Maybe some wanted what happened, but a lot just didn't want to get into trouble themselves and wanted to be "normal".
Which, when you think about it, can happen in many countries even now. Not saying that any country now has concentration camps and execution chambers...but I hope you understand what I'm on about.
Gareko-chan~
So pretty :flower:Quote:
Originally Posted by The VCR
Yeah. Pretty much easier to stay in the shadows or even feign ignorance because it's safer, probably a pretty common thing even today honestly.Quote:
Originally Posted by deadlegion
Maybe the numbers aren't accurate (6 million?), maybe they are. But yeah I seriously doubt it didn't happen. But then you see people say stuff like "not a single Jew died because of the Nazis" and you just shake your head.
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Originally Posted by The VCR
Yes, so much kawaii desu up in this bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloth
It's actually illegal to deny the holocaust in several countries, which I don't agree with and I think the Holocaust did happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareko
Although the only people who deny the Holocaust are Neo-Nazis.
You gotta be kidding me.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Hasselhoff
Yeah, denial is stupid but having that opinion and it being illegal is restricting freedom of speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Hasselhoff
People can say they love satan, or be scientologists ffs :wacko:
Anyway, like I said the "holocaust" isn't just about Jews.
And there have been other instances of mass murder in history but none were as well documented.
Because the Germans are very organised and methodical.
Huh, I didn't know that. Bit silly, you should at least have the freedom to your opinions, no matter how ludicrous they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Hasselhoff
DL beat me to it, if people tolerate Scientology they can tolerate Holocaust deniers as well. :wacko:
I completely agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareko
No love for the satanists? :( awwwQuote:
Originally Posted by Gareko
Yes, there were Gypsies and homosexuals and basically anybody who Hitler didn't like went into the camps.Quote:
Originally Posted by deadlegion
I've noticed a huge rise in Neo-Naziism on the internet this past year.
In terms of media attention the Holocaust receives a disproportionately large amount when compared to the Holodomir, Stalin's Purges, Killing field etc.
Scientology is worse. :revwacko:Quote:
Originally Posted by deadlegion
Also, good old Westboro Baptist Church, don't forget them either.
The French don't tolerate anybody :wacko:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareko
It actually really confuses me when people say they're on the fence about whether they believe the holocaust happened, or don't believe it or anything like that. Maybe I don't understand exactly what you're saying, or maybe since it was pounded into our heads in school to "never do something this terrible. We're Americans, we SAVE people, not kill them!" but I've always taken the holocaust as a concrete thing that happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareko
I usually just left it at some ignorant asshole or someone like Cheezy, but seeing you guys discuss it the same way makes me really question what I've learned.
Yeah it was any minority really. Although Hitler himself told his guys to leave a few select people alone. He had a Jewish friend in particular I remember giving immunity to for reasons I can't remember. (Who eventually wound up in a camp anyway)Quote:
Originally Posted by David Hasselhoff
I remember learning about those other ones you mentioned, the stalin purges in particular, but I can't say I remember it as well since the holocaust was basically 9 and 10th grade for us Americans.
When I was in school, they really just said "looks an holocaust! is be an bad thing" and we went on to more war stuffs. I guess they still sanitized the evil out back in the 80's.
This actually got me wondering, just out of pure curiosity, how does American education treat Hiroshima and Nagasaki?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rango
Also, you would be surprised. I did a bit of Googling around out of curiosity, saw some pretty lengthy arguments on the topic on some forums. One guy was saying he didn't think it was possible not to deny the Holocaust seeing how much "evidence" was apparently against it.
Keep in mind said poster had Mussolini as his avatar, so yeah. :wacko:
A lot of Slavs from the occupied territories, and even Soviet POW's too.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Hasselhoff
Spoiler warning:
Yeah, I don't think anyone will really know for sure how many people Stalin killed.
Mao is another one.
Like I said; other mass killings aren't well documented.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc78yPv_ztMQuote:
Originally Posted by deadlegion
One of the best stand up routines on this topic. :wacko:
Not sure because I'm not American.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareko
But that stuff happened before the use of such weapons was prohibited.
So it's like; yeah, we'll hit you with this shit twice just to make sure it works ok and you get the message...we're sick of our boys dying at the hands of you tough sob's.
Ok, now nobody is allowed to use this shit.
It wasn't prohibited because there had only ever been one Nuclear device detonated prior which was the Trinity test bombing in the Nevada desert.Quote:
Originally Posted by deadlegion
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Originally Posted by deadlegion
Ok, I shouldn't have said "prohibited" because there isn't a law preventing states from using nukes, but we're talking about targeting civilian populations. Carpet bombing of cities like what happened in WWII isn't cool either.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Hasselhoff
Not really just minorities though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rango
If you were a German male and decided you weren't "down" with the whole "being in the military" thing, you quickly found yourself in a camp.
Which is an aspect that's kinda overlooked because there's a few countries that happen to still be big on conscription.
Also, it kinda makes it a bit harder to hate the Nazi's/WWII era Germans when you realize they were essentially victims too in a weird way.
In short, Hitler hated the shit out of those damn dirty hippies. :wacko:
The History-Out: We're actually talking about serious stuff for a change.
If von Stauffenberg were still alive, which anime would he like.
Discuss. :wacko:
I dunno, Hellsing? :wacko:
See, I picture him as more of a K-On kinda guy.
Might be the eyepatch.
Spoiler warning:
I rest my case. :wacko: