How utterly useful and informative...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Schutzstaffel
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How utterly useful and informative...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Schutzstaffel
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Originally Posted by Xaenn
Oh, you're too kind! ^________^
would this god happen to be a little german dude with a square mustache?Quote:
Originally Posted by Schutzstaffel
Austrian, to be more precise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega Weapon
My god is an attractive, single young man with long hair and humongous genitalia. *looks at mirror*
This question is truly a moot point. Anyone who does believe in god or gods takes from this belief a base truth about themselves, to tell a believer there is no god is the same as telling a man with no legs his shoes are untied, though while the man with no legs will probably laugh, most real believers get very offended. I do not believe in god(s) if you can't already tell, I believe goodness is resident in all people and the ones who choose to do good make the world better. Keep in mind I do not mean goodness in the christian sense per se but more of a logical, factual system where results are measured rather than method. In this way a man who robbed a rich storeowner would be good if he were feeding his children and bad if he was selling the loot for crack.
What does that mirror have to do with anything? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Soeru
It's from a funhouse. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Xaenn
I was expecting long and informative but short and witty works too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciel
Like... me, I worship myself, silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaenn
oh ho! Please re-read your post and understand what I was saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soeru
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Originally Posted by Soeru
Are you a satanist man? I think you are I have read the satanic bible and thats the kinda stuff it says to live by
This again? Well, uh. Not going to bother reading past replies, at least right now. Agnosticism, determinism, etc.
I have that at home, no need to brag about it, and yes i have drawn satanic markings at certain places IE churches.Quote:
Originally Posted by �p1r�t�S_dc�
HAIL SATAN!
Really thou 13th chapter was a good read.
No, God does not exist.
Satanist's believe in practicing the seven deadly sins, I believe. Pride, Envy, Gluttony, Lust, Anger, Greed, Sloth. It's a more extreme form of me-ism, looking after number one. Though Satanism can be patterned to voodooism and spiritism.Though I doubt many really take it seriously, I mean alot of people are intrested in it, but they don't go around sacrificing goats and whatnot. It is still dangerous for one to get drawn ito it even through curiosity.Quote:
Originally Posted by �p1r�t�S_dc�
There is a heavy intrest in true satanism in South Africa, The church of Satan has a congregation of over 170,000. Which is 700 per cent more than it's 20,000 a couple of years ago. They have aplication forms for people intrested in joining, which has quotes from the Satanic bible such as:
�Man is an animal that must serve himself. The so-called seven deadly sins are virtues because they lead to physical and mental gratification.�
�Satan represents gratification rather than restraint.�
The church of Satan offers services such as: animal sacrifices, sex orgies and the drinking of blood. Having sex which a bunch of strangers is the moral of average dog in the street, I think.
The book was written by the founder of the church of Satan. Now there are many diffrent sects, but all have the purpose to indulgence in fleshly desires.
The main reason it is Satanism, and not wild partyism, is because the leaders have a desire to do things as shocking as possible in order to make a mockery of the worship of God
Most of that is true but it depends on what chapter of the church of satan you follow. Hard to Explain, the local one here dont do the animal kill as such (Not that i have seen) but they belive that the bible is one sided, The "True" bible aka the 13th chapter tells of the true story of the fall of satan and some other stuff that wasnt talked about in the other bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xena
I'm pretty sure in the 66 books of the bible it contains Satans downfall. Is this what you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jase
Revilation 12: 7-9 And war broke out in heaven: Mi�cha�el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
Mi�cha�el is Jesus, and he hurled Satan and his angels down to the Earth, christians believe he is on the Earth today, They believe this event happend in 1914, bringing chaos to the Earth. This was to mark the begging of the last days, which is prophisied throughout the bible.
Its the "True" reason of his downfall. I have the 13 chapter at home, i can try and find the bit where it differs from the bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xena
Sorry, I didn't relize you were reffering to the reason. Ok lets do that, and I'll check if it does differ, which I'm guessing it does :wacko:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jase
If i remember right it does :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Xena
The church of satan wasnt as bad as people make it out to be also...... Its not what you think i mean you get some wackos but hey you get those at normal churches, fuck i was on the train me and this black guy and this guy in his 30's (Might of been Sprung) was sitting next to this indian girl (OMFG might of been Dingy) and then out of the blue asked her if she was happy with her life and full on was handing out flyers, me and this dude next to me started laughgin, we felt sorry for the girl in the end.
Also i would like to quote "I this is heaven to me would this be considered heavenly?"
Think about it, if you enjoy doin all the things that the bible says is wrong and that feels like heaven to you then what would heaven be like when you get there? just the same as down here but 10 times better?
Lol. Y'know I go preaching :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Jase
It wasn't me though. Though I normaly have a civilised chat.
Though yeah, even in my congregation there are some with wacky ideas. Mostly old folk. There is one guy who always starts off a conversation by saying, "Do you see angels? I do." Dear me. He needs help.
Probably so. Personaly I don't believe we go to heaven when we die, it isn't a bible teaching after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jase
Don't have time to reply right now, but Jase, dear, you don't think I would come and say hello to you if I saw you on some random train? Also, Sprung's not black, as far as I know, also also, if I were the girl, I would've socked him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jase
If you did indeed meet Jase on a train I'd want a thread about it. Also, Sprung is not black (although at times one must wonder :P ).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingy
Why would ou hit Sprung? WHY?????
Where exactly are you getting this idea from? Gothic Satanism is no longer in practice and hasn't been for several hundred years. Every now and then there are a few wannabes that attempt a few rituals; however, such acts are not supported as part of worship or rememberance by the modern day Churches of Satan.Quote:
The church of Satan offers services such as: animal sacrifices, sex orgies and the drinking of blood. Having sex which a bunch of strangers is the moral of average dog in the street, I think.
There are nine Satanic sins, not seven. They are not "deadly" either...Quote:
Satanist's believe in practicing the seven deadly sins, I believe.
I was speaking of the South African church, where they advitised such services I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by aristotle73
In the Miami Herald the founder of the church of Satan mentioned the so - called seven deadly sins as being virtues. That is were I got this impression from. Deadly is what they are so called, might I emphisize.Quote:
Originally Posted by aristotle73
Of course I believe in a higher being. There are some things science can't explain, and sometimes scientist try to explain something but end up with the most ridiculos explanation.
One example comes from science trying to explain the bible. In the bible God parts water with his hand that allows the jews to safely pass through the water, then when Pharohs armies chase after them, god destroys them by withdrawing his hand from the water. Scienctist explain this as a typhoon at the right place at the right time. But the idea that a typhoon pushed water apart for people to pass sounds abusurd.
A non-biblical example would be scientist explaining the origins of the universe. Aparently the univese expanded from the size of a single cell to its present state in one quick, gigantic explosion. What did that? The cell simply exploded? No outside force pushed it to that extent? How did it multiply so fast? If there was an explosion, how did it START life, all explosions I've ever heard of usually involve fire, and fire kills more than it creates.
Well the Bible was written by man. It was a compoundment of numerous books that people wrote. There were numerous books out there that are related to God back then but the people who composed the Bible only took the ones that weren't dissing God. The stories related to God but were badmouthing him and stuff weren't used at all. I believe the Bible was a composition of different wild fictional stories that people made up to explain things that they couldn't explain yet. If you don't believe that how do people get to write these stories anyways of things such at God destroying cities and such. The people that might've written the books were probably killed by God anyways. There might be random travellers wondering around that saw this event, but I somehow doubt that they actually saw god.
Also, how did somebody write up that God made the world anyways? They didn't see it. They certainly weren't alive during it. There certainly weren't likely that there'd be a written language when the universe started. So the only way to transfer the stories would be by mouth. Anybody tried playing that telephone game or whatever with people telling another person what another person said? It's extremely hard to even go in a chain of 5 people saying one sentence to each other nonetheless a whole giant stories comprised of hundreds maybe thousands of words. By then there would be extremely likely to have things that were made up on the spot.
For example: Somebody sees a comet and a big guy on a roof looking at him. He tells somebody about it. The next guy tells somebody else the story and the comet was a meteor to make his story more interesting and the big guy was floating or something. Then it goes on and on and the last guy says the guy was some divine person and the comet has turned into a shower of giant meteors that eventually destroyed the city.
Everybody in the present likes to lie a little to make their stories more interesting. Who knows if the Bible wasn't also just a story that passed on and on from person to person with each person adding little aspects to the story so that it becomes better and better. Eventually people are going to believe the story is true and thus we have the Bible.
And yes I don't believe god exists. We all control ourselves.
Well, you have heard of the dead sea scrolls right? That were from the second century B.C.E? They are acurate to todays transulations, only with grammar and spelling diffrences.
So how do you know that scientist are correct? They've been inaccurate before. Not on everything, but the bible hasn't been entirely inaccurate either. Both have inaccuracies yes, but niether are always right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerno
there are indeed things that science can't explain....like twinkies and flubberQuote:
Originally Posted by Paladin_Hammer
Like Skinner8's unusually small... apendage. Or MasJ finding a girl like Dingy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lygerzero
Yep, science can't tell us everything :popcorn:
EDIT: Or Sprung's extreme attraction to Kasumi! Or Polobunny's records in the arcade! Or my being an ass! OR Mason's absence! Or how only one person is on this stupid web-forum at a time!
If this is a stupid forum, what are you doing here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Paladin_Hammer
Whats so strange about his attraction to Kasumi? Have you seen his latest sig? hottttt.... :santa:Quote:
Originally Posted by Paladin_Hammer
1) It can be mathemathically proven that certain axiomatic systems (like, what we currently base mathematics on) contain statements that cannot be known to be true or false. Like the continuum-hypothesis. So, science has essentially proved that it can't prove everything. It doesn't even intend to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paladin_Hammer
2) If you start to go back in time, to the point it all (supposedly) started, things become stuffed into a really tiny amount of space, and therefore time intervals get a lot shorter. So, even though you could somehow deduce what happened a fraction of a picosecond after the birth of the universe, you could never go to time zero.
However, the concept of infinity is one that can't easily be grasped. Here's an example: 0,9999 does not equal 1. But 0,9999..., where there are an infinite number of 9s, does. Simply proven: Let's call this number X. So, X=0,9999..., 10X = 9,9999..., and 10X still has infinite 9s in the end. 10X-X = 9. 9X = 9, X = 1.
So, you could suppose in the same way that space-time could be condensed into a single point under an infinite amount of time. So, it has always been expanding, and there is no such thing that put it there, because it has always been there.
Damn right, bitch. :P Seriously now, drawing pentagrams or Necronomicon circles/patterns does not make you Satanic, it just means you like the occult and shit. Read some Crowley or other thelemic writings, it clearly shows that "Satanism" involves no worshipping or violent activity of any kind. Satanism is a deep philosophy about self-assertion, self-love and unleashing one's own true potential and ability in life, particularily detaching from the restrictive life of a Christian(it's original purpose, which is kind of useless now as atheism is so common).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jase
Satanists get all that bad rep because they chose such a silly, attention-grabbing name for their belief, and the ones who claim that they truly worship Satan/Beelzebub/Hades/other infernal-like gods are either posing or are downright mad(particularily those that actually do violent shit).
I have four words to say
I hate Pat Robertson.
Swine like this corrupt any altruistic streak of organized religion. Demagogues make it tougher on everyone. These individuals are why many have turned from Catholicism & Western religious thought. You want to find the reason behind growing interest in Buddhism, metaphysics & other non-traditional religious concepts? Look no further...thank Pat & his televangelist ilk.
This is so obviously the Christian take on Satanism. :wacko: Real Satanists do not engage in such acts. It's not a cult-like following, it's a philosophy for acheiving a better life outside of the Christian way, with frequent references to Sumerian mythology(for example, the ancient Babylonian gods Chutulu, Absu, and Amah-Ushugmai-Anna that are represented in a triangle as "Am", "Will", and "Create". The references are just used as symbolism, but Satanism is a philosophy of being your own leader.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xena
The orgies, the animal/virgin sacrificies, blood drinking, and all these other spooky images were created by the Church in the early middle ages -particularily the inquisitions- to scare the monarchy's subjects into being good Christians and going to Church, paying their taxes, and ratting out any people who they may suspect are not true believers. These images were also used to discourage/condemn the Pagan tribes around Europe, particularily polytheistic folk like the Nordic invaders. "Satanism" did not exist until very recently.
Edit: A perfect example of false imagery created by the Church is the orgies. Wiccan tribes engaged in ceremonies(Sabbats) being "sky clad"(meaning clad only by the sky, no clothes), because that was the appropriate way to appear before the gods. Crusaders that arrived to pre-Christian England ran back home telling stories of crazy polytheistic worshippers that had ceremonies completely naked(being naked in public in Christian Europe? Unthinkable!). So all of the sudden, polytheistic folk became sinful subhumans that were to be burned at the stake. They were assumed to be associated with Satan as they were of such sinful nature, and voila: Satanics engage in orgies.
Edit2: I'm not too sure, but the blood drinking/Satanic thing is frequently associated with vampires. I'm sure you've all heard of a blood disease -I forget the name- who's victims had to drink blood to stay healthy and keep the concentration of a certain blood platelet to stay healthy. This practice was only done by few in the middle ages because it was discovered to be a suitable treatment back then, but the disease is curable nowadays. I wish I remembered the name. The disease caused by a gene that is linked to another disease that prevents the blood from clotting properly, the king of Spain suffers from this disease but I forgot the name as well. Basically someone with this blood deficiency could likely bleed to death from even slight bruise or cut as the blood never clots and scabs never form, but this is not the disease that so called "vampires" had.
Edit3: Xena, aren't you a fan of the TV show Xena: Warrior Princess? Shouldn't you know more about this kind of stuff? :P
Edit4: On a somewhat unrelated note: the myth of David & Goliath is pretty rad. A lot of people don't know that the old myth was representing the Jews(David) fending off the invading Romans(Goliath), hence in old paintings David and Goliath are represented as such. However in some Roman Catholic paintings, David is portrayed as a Christian boy and Goliath is the big, tall, burly evil Pagan man(and in one Spanish painting, he is actually depicted somewhat like a Moorish/Arabic invader!). I don't know the names of these paintings buy I have seen them before in texts and in a museum(they were replicas I believe), so I'm not pulling this out of my ass. :wacko: Interesting how rulers twist and retell everything underneath our noses.
If you believe that vampires, witches, and Satanists have anything to do with each other... guess what, you've been fooled by the Church. :P
Edit5: I think I'm just an atheist/agnostic by the way. I firmly believe in science, but I apply an unknown meaning of a "God" to that which remains to be explained by science. Hence my beliefs will change over time. I do like the self-help philosophy thing that Satanism(what a stupid name for a philosophy) is all about, because they all deal with being in control of your own life, I'm just more of a down-to-Earth person. I still have a lot to learn about Thelema and Sumerian/Babylonian mythology because it's all still blurry to me right now. It's cool because a certain referance can mean many things. In Thelema, for example, everything is controlled by the Will(you), which is personified by the Egyptian god Had(also known as Hadit), which is a form of the god Horus(god of the sky, the son of the Sun god Ra), but also is an ancient Babylonian god that represents a humanly trait(or inhumanly, I forget!). There's still much more that I want to learn about this, and the constant references in the lyrics of a handful of bands that I listen to are only fueling my desire to learn more(in particular: modern Behemoth, old Vader, Morbid Angel, and Nile(but Nile focus more on solely Egyptian themes).
I wish they tought me something else besides Greek mythology in school...
What's wrong, did I bore you all to death? :wacko:
I think you may be referring to hemophilia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soeru
Very informative post BTW.
odd, from the satanic people ive talked to (very few, im not into supa evil and whatnot) they dont have orgies, but they do kill stuff as an afront to god. They tend to know the bible from front to back, and they dont do human sacrifice because they would get locked up. Maybe the one i talked to was just some satanic oddball though. :\
Also, how can it be satanism if youre not following satan? Wiccans dont fall into this catagory. Neither do a lot of the other mentioned groups. Thats just a large over casting shadow that the douche bags like Pat "i need more money" Robinson put onto anything non-christian.
There are satanists out there though. They pray to satan for power on earth, and favor in death. Sick puppies... :cry:
And so far hemophelia is incurable. Its a genetic disorder much like sickled cell anemia. The only prospects for a cure right now lay with gene therapy, which is a long way off. Drinking blood would not do anything for this condition, so i think it was more along the lines of just some superstition, like blood letting.