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Not saying it's the best of even great for the DS, but it was a good Sonic game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aeolus Aeneas
In my book, a 7/10 is a good Sonic game with the standards Sega has with the series now.
I could name 50 games I would rather play than Sonic Colors. :wacko:
Sonic Colors, but there is a huge gap, the sonic games i like are
Sonic Adventure 2: battle (GCN)
Sonic Advance 2 (GBA)
Sonic & Sega All-Star Racing (not really a sonic game though) (multiplat, best version is the 360's)
Sonic Riders 1 (GCN)
Sonic Colors (wii)
so as main sonic games go, the last Sonic game i liked was Advance 2 for the GBA, and then Colors, quite a large gap.
it doesn't matter what they MEANT for it to be; anybody can tell you they were supposed to be one game originally. But it was split into two games, and released as two games. Therefore, they are TWO GAMES. it would be like saying that Homeworld and Homeworld: Cataclysm are the same game because Cata was originally going to be an expansion pack but later they decided to release it as a stand alone game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stirkrzy
Sonic 3 and Knuckles is one game because when you combine the cartridges the two roms become one so if Sonc 3 was good then adding in the expansion makes it even better because you start from beginning of 3 to end of Knuckles therefore one game. Also Sonc 2 And knuckles is one game. Just because you can play them separate doesn't mean you can't play them together. The example you mentioned would be closer if cataclysm combined with the first to be one game. I've never seen any other sequel act as an expansion the way Knuckles does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aeolus Aeneas
Sonic 3 & Knuckles is "one game" because it was intended to be one game. They originally intended Sonic 3 to have all the content from Sonic & Knuckles, but they couldn't figure out a way to swing it within their budget and schedule.. So instead they decided to split the games up, with the new intention of the S&K link system in mind to make them one whole game again. There are actually alpha and beta ROM's out there of Sonic 3 with a good bit of S&K content still in it, as a matter of fact..
It doesn't matter what happens when you connect them; they're two different games released at two different times in two different physical carts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Heer
Genocide City was intended to be in Sonic 2, but it ended up being scrapped as its own zone. A female trainer option was intended for the generation 1 Game Boy Pokemon games, but that never happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krisan Thyme
Intention doesn't instantly make two different games released at two different times in two different carts the same game, no matter how much they intended them to be the same game originally.
Well then, son, we'll bring up re-releases, the virtual console releases, its release in the ultimate and mega collections, the sonic classic collection on DS, or various other games where Sonic3+knuckles is indeed a single rom, on a single cart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aeolus Aeneas
Ergo, your statement is now invalid. By your own definition, they are a single game in those instances. You can try to refute it, of course, but that'd invalidate what you just said. As they are now one game, released at the same time, on a single cart.
Your move.
Still waiting for adventure 2 on psn. >.>
The adventure games and sonic 4 are the only that come to mind, there was one on the gb advanced that I didn't hate, cant remember the name but I do remember each level had a number of hidden chao's to find and junk. :D
And I concede that point when it comes to what has been mentioned about re-releases. But I do not concede that they're a single game in their original format. And I base my opinions on their original format, not a re-release. mainly because I grew up with their original, separate releases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chocobolicious
Allow an old man his bias. Or else it's the cane for you!
*Ancient* Bahh, when I was young, all we had was PACMAN. And we LIKED it. The luxury of ranting about what was one game and what was two... we had one game and we played it because we had nothing else! */ancient*Quote:
Originally Posted by Aeolus Aeneas
In all seriousness now - both of you have valid points, and when you get right down to it, to me it's purely one's own opinion whether to consider a game a single game or two separate games. Personally I feel that, given the history of Sonic 3 & Knuckles, one can successfully argue both ways. Which you all have done. :P
I must say though - I still adore that/those game/games.
But that was Pac-Man for the Atari 2600! That doesn't even count as a game!
This isn't a case of scrapped content. "Genocide City" never made it off the drawing board, it for all intentions didn't exist.. The S&K content (the literal levels themselves, even as we know them now) DID exist within Sonic 3. There were technical reasons and time restraints that kept them from releasing it as such, though.. So they did what they could and split it into two parts, with the lock-on tech specifically created to make them one whole game again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aeolus Aeneas
I don't think this is such a hard concept to grasp.. The lock-on of S&K wasn't a novelty feature to combine two unrelated games, it was created specifically to fix a problem they couldn't solve in time before the release of Sonic 3.
And I don't think it's such a hard concept to grasp that they're two different games for the simple facts that they were released at two different times in two different physical carts.
But neither one of us is going to agree with the other, so we may as well just end this discussion.
Your arguement is silly. So what if they released them on two physical media? Why does that even matter? You're just arguing semantics at that point. The only thing that actually matters is what it is, and in truth S&K is more akin to an expansion to Sonic 3 than it is its own game. It wasn't intended to be its own game, they only released it as such because they had no choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aeolus Aeneas
YES though they are two separate games in that they exist separately, if that makes you happy.
You could think of S3&K as episodes. There are also other games that come in two pieces of media. Resident evil 2 and Devil May cry 2 come to mind in that you can play them both as if both discs were separate, but their main intent was for one to be played first or at least beaten first and then the second played. This is especially relevant in RE2 in which decisions in one affect the other.
And then you have the fact that when Sonic 3 and Knucles is locked on together you can play from start of 3 to the finish of Knuckles all without even turning the console off and when playing it it uses things from both games and even edits some things in the Sonic 3 half. And as far as I can see the combined form is canon.